Darth Nihilus vs. Darth Revan

Started by Lightsnake9 pages

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
[B]He does have them. One such is the "Force Lightning Storm." If Nihilus gets caught in the FLS, he will be decimated. Not only he but most people will get decimated by a FLS. Force Storms are one of the deadliest Dark Side powers ever known.

Erm, Legend? That's a gameplay term for a powerful force lightning...
Force storms are a different anima;


You are using just one example.

Darth Bane also used an FLS to destroy a huge chunk of land. It is true that he did this along with some other people but they combined their power to form a huge FLS, which spread with great intensity causing massive devastation. Darth Sexy can elaborate more on this.

Revan was a master practitioner of Force Lightning and also mastered FLS.

Remember that Sidious managed to over-power Yoda in ROTS with just his Force Lightning, which was no where equal in intensity to an FLS. An FLS is far more dangerous.


He overpowered Yoda with his lightning? He caught him off guard with it once. Palpatine's full out lightning is enough to drop 100 people dead-check that...it's not even close to full power. He's able to reduce fully grown humans to charred bones.

Now Nihilus cannot defend against an FLS.

quite possibly not


Many techniques are unknown. This is the problem.

Drew K needs to elaborate more on Revan's knowledge.


It'd require giving Revan a personality with it


He was not sitting in a comfortable chair drinking martini during the Mandalorian Wars.

Quite true: He did kill Mandalore


Yes! But two party members themselves stood no chance in the Star Forge. Most of the work was still done by Revan. It is time to acknowledge this fact and move on.

Debatable at best, Legend

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Erm, Legend? That's a gameplay term for a powerful force lightning...

No.

Considering the fact that FLS had also been demonstrated by Darth Bane and his companions in a combined effort (as mentioned in POD Novel), it is as much canon now as other c-canon Force powers and techniques.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Force storms are a different anima;

Not necessarily.

Force Storms have 3 defined forms now:

1) Force Storm (Wormhole)
2) Force Storm (Lightning)
3) Force Storm (Weather)

Originally posted by Lightsnake
He overpowered Yoda with his lightning? He caught him off guard with it once.

What about the second Force Lightning attack that Yoda tried to block but it resulted in the blast that send him crashing in to the senate floor.

After that Yoda gave up.

So indirectly, Force Lightning attack forced him to change his mind.

- The first Force Lightning attack stunned and overwhelmed him.
- The second Force Lightning attack resulted in a blast that send him crashing on the senate floor.

So in both cases of Force Lightning attack, Yoda faced humiliation.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Palpatine's full out lightning is enough to drop 100 people dead-check that...it's not even close to full power.

That level of display of power happened several years after the events of ROTS. It shows that Palpatine’s proficiency in Force Lightning considerably improved.

He might have learned to perform an FLS as well.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
He's able to reduce fully grown humans to charred bones.

That is not surprising, considering the lethality of Force Lightning and Palapatine’s proficiency in it. But this is invalid. I am not talking about Palpatine’s proficiency in Force Lightning. I was saying that FLS is far more lethal then the Force Lightning that Palpatine displayed in his fight against Yoda in ROTS.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
quite possibly not

Considering the fact that FLS is pinnacle of Force Lightning, it would be impossible to defend against it as a living organism.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
It'd require giving Revan a personality with it

That is already given. We are talking about DLOTS incarnation of Revan.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Quite true: He did kill Mandalore

He killed more then Mandalore.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Debatable at best, Legend

Try it.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
No.

Considering the fact that FLS had also been demonstrated by Darth Bane and his companions in a combined effort (as mentioned in POD Novel), it is as much canon now as other c-canon Force powers and techniques.


That's
A. Not FLS
2. Not shown anywhere near as such in the comic itself.

Not necessarily.

Force Storms have 3 defined forms now:

1) Force Storm (Wormhole)
2) Force Storm (Lightning)
3) Force Storm (Weather)

What about the second Force Lightning attack that Yoda tried to block but it resulted in the blast that send him crashing in to the senate floor.


I think you mean 'did block' The blast wasn't something either combatant was prepared for

After that Yoda gave up.

Mainly because he'd fallen that far, Palpatine had time to recover and Yoda had a vision in the force that Palpatine would kill him if the fight continued

So indirectly, Force Lightning attack forced him to change his mind.

That's REALLY reaching

- The first Force Lightning attack stunned and overwhelmed him.

Yoda was playing possum there, thank you. Quit trying to downplay Yoda

- The second Force Lightning attack resulted in a blast that send him crashing on the senate floor.

So in both cases of Force Lightning attack, Yoda faced humiliation.


Only if you're desperate to humiliate Yoda would you even list thes:
The first attack was just a minor blast from Palpatine. The second, yoda blocked until the pressure between them caused an unexpected reaction

That level of display of power happened several years after the events of ROTS. It shows that Palpatine’s proficiency in Force Lightning considerably improved.

No, it shows him demonstrating it against a larger variety of opponents

He might have learned to perform an FLS as well.

All it is is force lightning with more power behind it.
Nothing else.


That is not surprising, considering the lethality of Force Lightning and Palapatine’s proficiency in it. But this is invalid. I am not talking about Palpatine’s proficiency in Force Lightning. I was saying that FLS is far more lethal then the Force Lightning that Palpatine displayed in his fight against Yoda in ROTS.

And I'm calling you downright incorrect since there's no technique called FLS.


Considering the fact that FLS is pinnacle of Force Lightning, it would be impossible to defend against it as a living organism.

Stop making things up, thank you.


That is already given. We are talking about DLOTS incarnation of Revan.

Who is less powerful than his Jedi incarnation.


He killed more then Mandalore.

Mandalore is one of the few that's known


Try it.

Perhaps I should be clearer:
Sketchy at best

- The second Force Lightning attack resulted in a blast that send him crashing on the senate floor.

So in both cases of Force Lightning attack, Yoda faced humiliation.

...When I get back, we'll discuss this, LeGenD. That is a very unsupported and -- if I may -- very pathetic attempt to downplay Yoda.

LeGenD, this is a deeply misleading account of the situation involving Master Yoda's attempts to handle Darth Sidious's Force lightning. I'll respectfully ask you that, if you can't debate this objectively, don't bother debating it at all. It becomes tedious and annoying when I have to come here and correct you.

What about the second Force Lightning attack that Yoda tried to block but it resulted in the blast that send him crashing in to the senate floor.

Absolutely misleading and grossly incorrect. Yoda did succeed in staving away Emperor Palpatine's Force lightning -- the only thing that he failed to do was to protect himself from the ensuing explosion when the lightning coil released itself -- but one must take into account that Palpatine himself couldn't even withstand the blast, and he was the one generating it.

After that Yoda gave up.

...And you blame him for it? He was without his lightsaber against an opponent who was his equal in Force prowess and mastery, and to top it off -- he was in the heart of enemy territory relying on defensive techniques to come close to victory. It's a no-brainer that he left, because the odds are, if he continued the duel, he would have died. Yoda is willing to die for his cause, but the cause here demanded that the Emperor must also die. That wasn't going to happen, so he made a tactical retreat; a decision that later benefited his attempts to overthrow the Empire completely.

So indirectly, Force Lightning attack forced him to change his mind.

No.

A logical assessment of the situation (detailed above) is what 'forced' him to change his mind.

-The first Force Lightning attack stunned and overwhelmed him.

Excuse me? This is a very primitive assessment of the situation, LeGenD. Master Yoda entered Palpatine's office there on the full strength of his convictions; that is to say that he went into the fight a trifle too cocky and arrogant. He was sure he was going to win. While he certainly paid the price for his arrogance with the subsequent blast of lightning, to say that Yoda -- for whatever reason -- was just overpowered and rendered unconscious would be false. He was caught off guard (though I grant you that the move itself wasn't surprising), and when he attempted to subdue the lightning -- too late -- it then overpowered him.

But that isn't to say that if Yoda had been prepared, wary of attack, he couldn't have defended himself. Logic points to the fact that he would have.

-The second Force Lightning attack resulted in a blast that send him crashing on the senate floor.

This is a lie.

When the Emperor attacked Yoda with Force lightning that final time, Yoda did hold it at bay. What he did not (nor what the Emperor himself did not) defend against was the ensuing explosion when the coiled lightning released itself. There is a difference.

So in both cases of Force Lightning attack, Yoda faced humiliation.

In the first one? Yes, but only because of pride, not lack of ability. In the second? No. There's nothing that he could have done to have changed the scenario.

He might have learned to perform an FLS as well.

Those attacks weren't storms of Force lightning. Palpatine was just powerful enough to do all that without going apeshit and turning into Captain Lightning.

That is not surprising, considering the lethality of Force Lightning and Palapatine’s proficiency in it. But this is invalid. I am not talking about Palpatine’s proficiency in Force Lightning. I was saying that FLS is far more lethal then the Force Lightning that Palpatine displayed in his fight against Yoda in ROTS.

Proof? And, furthermore, prove to me that a storm of Force lightning isn't just out of control Force lightning and not a separate attack entirely?

Considering the fact that FLS is pinnacle of Force Lightning, it would be impossible to defend against it as a living organism.

Prove it.

That is already given. We are talking about DLOTS incarnation of Revan.

...Who is weaker than any incarnation of Palpatine, and subsequently, Yoda himself.

Darth Revan lol (yep, bumping a years old thread)

Nihilus stomps.

Lol Gideon stomped Legend.

And a decade later he remains as much a moron, amazing. 😂

He never bothered replying cos he got smacked xD

Originally posted by Beniboybling
And a decade later he remains as much a moron, amazing. 😂

I would kindly ask member Benyboybling not to be mean to member S_W_LeGenD. It is not member S_W_LeGenD's fault that you cannot comprehend ground realities.

Going to have to go with Nihilus.

Ripping the Ravager out of the heart of Malachor V still beats anything Revan's got. Even if he lacks Revan's control over it.

I would like feats that prove Revan's superiority, though.

"It" referring to the Force.

Originally posted by Azronger
Nihilus stomps.

Based on what? I probably won't have time to reply to any comprehensive response on your part, but I will say that a lot of Nihilus' feats (including all of his big ones) are down to circumstances. No doubt that he's a titan of the Force even without them, but I'm not seeing the grounds for him to stomp Revan, whom I'm sure we could all agree is otherwise the superior combatant in every way.

I'm completely oblivious as to what Nihilus can actually do, even though I played the death out of KOTOR 2 as a kid.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Based on what? I probably won't have time to reply to any comprehensive response on your part, but I will say that a lot of Nihilus' feats (including all of his big ones) are down to circumstances. No doubt that he's a titan of the Force even without them, but I'm not seeing the grounds for him to stomp Revan, whom I'm sure we could all agree is otherwise the superior combatant in every way.

Lifting a fleet and draining planets is a bit above Revan's paygrade in my opinion. And Nihilus is a capable duelist, unlike many believe.

Based on?

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Based on?

Getting shat on by the Exile and her friends? Duh Sas. Get your shit together bro

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Based on?

A far stronger iteration of him got creamed by a sub-planetary Force user.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Getting shat on by the Exile and her friends? Duh Sas. Get your shit together bro

He didn't get shat on. Nowhere is that implied. He was fending off the Exile and Visas simulatenously while deflecting blaster fire from Mandalore. Visas was even about to give up due to how powerful Nihilus was, and only survived with the Exile's encouragement.

It was a close fight in anything, and Nihilus was hardly in peak condition.