The fact a prophecy was created by the Force itself to counteract the darkness he embodied? The fact Nihilus and Co. we're simply portrayed as rogue Jedi, compared to a pure agent of the dark side in the novel?
I mean, read the book and it would become obvious - the hero of KotOR II was treated like trash by someone Vitiate could one-shot.
Yeah, the HoT was a thousand years old prophecy - Revan predicted it, the Force strives for balance, and an agent of light will rise up to counteract Vitiate's darkness, with the The Wrath later seeing the vision to confirm - and, you know, it actually coming phucking true in the end with Vitiate "dying" to 'Tython on Kaas.
Whether Nihilus is, or isn't, is not be point. The point is, Vitiate, is clearly painted as a bigger threat than Nihilus ever was in the one source that extensively links them both.
No, it was directly stated as a prophocey in the actual source material? Predicted by multiple characters to boot? HoT rose, as a champion of light, to counteract Vitiate, the agent of darkness - because, as stated by the omniscient narrator, and later Revan in the book, the Force strives for balance. Sounds like a prophocey to me.
Yeah, but that isn't how he was painted whe compared to Vitiate in the book - that's the point. 😬
Not really, more like a thing that happened. Preordained yeah, but prophecy is overselling it. Two people had this vision. It's not as if it was any kind of legend handed down through generations, or something that was even predicted before Vitiate's rise.
Well it's a shit point then kek, how Nihilus is portrayed in the book does nothing to alter his portrayal in the game. You've taken a very limited point of view that does not even mention him by name, and decided this is now all there is to him. That is stupid.
Not really, more like a thing that happened. Preordained yeah, but prophecy is overselling it. Two people had this vision. It's not as if it was any kind of legend handed down through generations, or something that was even predicted before Vitiate's rise.
Well, you're, for some reason, drawing comparison between HoT and Anakin Skywalker's, Chosen One prophecy - as if the latter is the de facto outline for how a prophet is supposed to be. The text book definition of a prophecy is a prediction made way before the actual event, which, HoT's rise and such fits the criteria.
Don't worry, no one is saying this puts novel Vitiate on Palatine's level, so stop being so insecure, babe. 🙂
Well it's a shit point then kek, how Nihilus is portrayed in the book does nothing to alter his portrayal in the game. You've taken a very limited point of view that does not even mention him by name, and decided this is now all there is to him. That is stupid.
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That's.....not...what...I'm saying...
What I am saying is, Vitiate was portrayed as a bigger deal holistically than Nihilus in the novel. In no way was I using it to belittle or low all Nihilus' achievements.i
Originally posted by Deronn_soloI'm making a distinction between a simple vision of the future, and yes, an actual biblical-esque prophecy like Anakin's (or even the Sith'ari's) If you are agree that they are one and the same then I have no debate here, as my point is that it's nothing special at all.
Well, you're, for some reason, drawing comparison between HoT and Anakin Skywalker's, Chosen One prophecy - as if the latter is the de facto outline for how a prophet is supposed to be. The text book definition of a prophecy is a prediction made way before the actual event, which, HoT's rise and such fits the criteria.Don't worry, no one is saying this puts novel Vitiate on Palatine's level, so stop being so insecure, babe. 🙂
But yeah, it doesn't even put Vitiate on level with Windu. 🙂
facepalmI know what your saying lol, and my response is the same. Being that one limited perspective on the character isn't evidence of Nihilus holistic standing in any measure, in regards to which, Nihilus is just as big a deal as Vitiate.That's.....not...what...I'm saying...
What I am saying is, Vitiate was portrayed as a bigger deal holistically than Nihilus in the novel. In no way was I using it to belittle or low all Nihilus' achievements.i
What? A champion of light risen up, specifically - and especially - to counter act the darkness Vitiate brings to the galaxy isn't special? It's not a "simple vision" of the future because of the aforementioned circumstances, and intricicies at play with the Force, as been reiterated a billion times now.
But if you are gonna sit here and claim it isn't special, yeah, we are done here.
U mad?
Regardless let's not lose sight of what we are debating here. Your argument was that a prophecy was created in response to Vitiate's powers, referencing the visions Revan & Scourge as proof. However, as I have explained, two guys having the vision of the same thing is nothing special, or exceptionally prophetic, they are really no different from the prediction of any other far future event.
Now is the actual event itself as you described it special? That depends entirely on how frequent you believe these things to be. The Force is always striving for balance, and in that respect, powerful champions like this are arguably being spawned or at least guided all the time to counter various powerful dark siders throughout history, something Revan actually remarks himself. And indeed, you could just as easily argue that Meetra Surik was one of these. Or if she wasn't, someone would have come along, to stop Nihilus gobbling the galaxy.
So no, not that special. 🙂
No, I just realized discussing anything Vitiate related with you is a absolute waste of my time, and your arguments are absolutely dreadful. I could counter every point you made, but it would be a waste of minutes I'll never get back.
It was specifically stated to be a prophocey in the book so you can argue the point until the sky turns purple, won't change what's there.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
I was talking about Nihilus' supposed competence with a lightsaber, numbskull. Also, Vitiate is clearly the greater threat.
And I was separating my response between you and Fated, so as to not to repeat myself, dickboy.
And yeah, not seeing how Vitiate is any more of a threat than Nihilus was. Both were eldricth dark side abominations hellbent on devouring the galaxy and purging it of all life, and by proxy, the Force itself. And actually, Nihilus wanted to consume the entire universe, so as far as threats to the balance to the Force go, Nihilus was definitely worse.
And being a "greater threat" is entirely subjective and down to interpretation. Even if Vitiate was a greater threat than Nihilus, was it due to his strength in the dark side, his military might, or both? Can you prove he was a greater threat solely due to his personal power, and not due his intellect, countless armies and resources, and his plots and plans to ascend to godhood? I find that hard to believe.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
😂Spare me the crappy excuses. If you have no rebuttal, don't bother posting. 🙂
There is absolutely nothing to rebutt, lmao. 😬 I was 100% correct in every statement I made from the get-go. You were/are just arguing semantics and bringing up completely useless examples.
Fact: Vitiate was such an agent of the dark side, the Force generated the most powerful Jedi of his time, and one of the greatest Jedi in general, a champion of light, to put his plans to a halt.
Fact: It was factually stated that HoT coming wasn't just some vision, but an actual prophecy.
Fact: Nihilus just wasn't as big a deal, or a threat, as was Vitiate in the novel.
This was my stance from the start, and you haven't managed to refute any of it successfully, except maybe the last argumet. I'll await actual proof, not conjecture, that Nihilus existence caused the Force to generate a champion a thousand years down the line.
You, and your inferior skills, ceased being worth my time a long time ago.