Cell Vs Superman

Originally posted by carver9
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I see what you are trying to do. I can show him moving something the size of a planet. What does that have to do with this battle. Gladiator dont have anything to do with this.

I know what ship youre referring to and it wasnt even close to being the size of a city. Provide scans if its true.

And i wont forget about the sun dip thing. Thanks for educating me.

I want you to show me Gladiator moving a planet because he's never done so on-panel. He's only said that he has, like Superman.

Superman said the ship was the size of a moon. Go through the Superman respect thread if you want to find it.

There's also the time when he lifted a mountain that was almost big enough to crush Metropolis and took out of orbit.

Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
If superman could constantly take that level of power he should never take damage to anything short of Mageddon or Imperiex. . . 😬

Full Capacity
It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability

Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
If superman could constantly take that level of power he should never take damage to anything short of Mageddon or Imperiex. . . 😬

I also agree with this. I don't want this discussion to spiral out of control, putting superman at a level of untouchable and unhurtable simply because he has survived some very high end power.

Originally posted by Creshosk

Then I call SVFL, because that's just ridiculous. How can supes take that much damage and struggle against punches all the time?

Originally posted by SeerQris
Ok I will buy that. But there has to be a level of taking damage that ultimately leads to ones incapacitation. Otherwise superman would be immortal.

Can he take 10 planet destroying attacks, 20....

My point being if he can be hurt he can eventually be incapacitated, then we have an actual battle.

The same goes for Cell.

He absorbed enough energy to vaporize half a galaxy. I'd say he can take quite a few planet destroying attacks.

Full Capacity
It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability

This says nothing about defenses operating at a constant forever as if no damage has been done.

So the best the dbz characters can hope for is to break preestablished rules?

Proves that they never stood a chance reallly.

Originally posted by Rorschach
He absorbed enough energy to vaporize half a galaxy. I'd say he can take quite a few planet destroying attacks.

And I won't argue against that. I am just trying to bring this into something more realistic given that we know that superman can be hurt by things other than kryptonite.

Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
Bullets do pierce goku's skin.

They didn't pierce his skin when Bulma shot him when he was just a kid. It hurt him a little but it wasn't anything serious.

Originally posted by Creshosk
After he's taken solar system and a freaking Galaxy busting shot?

Yeah, and a normal person should hurt cell from punching him.

Bad example and lame excuse. Well i would like to bring this up. Do you remember the episode where the jla was in space fighting a ship. Im looking for the scan now. Superman almost got killed from blasts that was coming off of the ship. He was battered and broken up. I dont think that the blast that was coming off of that ship was worthy of even being able to have much more impact than a nuke.

Gog also hit superman with a none planet destroying or city destroying blast and temperarily knocked superman out. Hawk man hit superman with a punch that was stated as being only able to rock the planet.

Originally posted by SeerQris
And I won't argue against that. I am just trying to bring this into something more realistic given that we know that superman can be hurt by things other than kryptonite.

Everyone on this forum should know that you don't need kryptonite to beat Superman. I myself rate high-end Green Lanterns higher than Superman.

Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
Then I call SVFL.

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The difference is in the SvFL FL was already proven to be greater than what Spider-man could do consistantly.

Aside from using low showings and breaking the full capacity rule you have no way to prove that the Galaxy buster was greater than what super man could take.

Further you're dangerously treading into being nothing more than an illogical fanboy by stating your opinion against what has been proven.

Originally posted by Rorschach
They didn't pierce his skin when Bulma shot him when he was just a kid. It hurt him a little but it wasn't anything serious.

True, but when did needles pierce his skin?

Originally posted by carver9
Bad example and lame excuse. Well i would like to bring this up. Do you remember the episode where the jla

Again you're breaking a rule. Come up with a better excuse, this time one that doesn't break a rule.

Originally posted by carver9
Bad example and lame excuse. Well i would like to bring this up. Do you remember the episode where the jla was in space fighting a ship. Im looking for the scan now. Superman almost got killed from blasts that was coming off of the ship. He was battered and broken up. I dont think that the blast that was coming off of that ship was worthy of even being able to have much more impact than a nuke.

But he's survived the explosion of a Sun-Eater, absorbed enough energy to vaporize half a galaxy, and took the explosion that would have cracked the planet in half. He also simply said ouch to an attack from Steel in the Ageis that would have destroyed all of Metropolis.

The Justice Leauge cartoon is non-cannon. Try to understand that.

Originally posted by carver9 Gog also hit superman with a none planet destroying or city destroying blast and temperarily knocked superman out. Hawk man hit superman with a punch that was stated as being only able to rock the planet. [/B]

Hawkman hit Superman with the mass of a planet and it supposedly knocked him out, but later Superman and Batman confront Luthor as Captain Marvel and Hawkman.

Superman wasn't having a hard time with Gog until he injected Superman with Knite.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Then prove it. 🙂 Prove that it IS SMVFL.

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The difference is in the SvFL FL was already proven to be greater than what Spider-man could do consistantly.

But, superman does not constantly take "Galaxy busting shots" which is my point. He's only done a few times, compared to how many punches he's taken. If we count his average's, his best feat should be taking a super nova.

Originally posted by Creshosk

Aside from using low showings and breaking the full capacity rule you have no way to prove that the Galaxy buster was greater than what super man could take.

Further you're dangerously treading into being nothing more than an illogical fanboy by stating your opinion against what has been proven.

I just did, look above and disagreeing doesn't making me a fanboy. I still maintain that superman will win against Son Goku, so how am I a fanboy? 😬

Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
True, but when did needles pierce his skin?

In the anime. He was actually scared of needles in the anime, but not in the manga.

Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
But, superman does not constantly take "Galaxy busting shots". He's only done it twice, compared to how many punches he's taken.

"Just because flash doesn't defeat all of his opponents in pico seconds doesn't mean that its viable to use that on these boards."

Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
I still maintain that superman will win against goku, so how am I a fanboy? 😬 [/B]

Originally posted by Rorschach
Everyone on this forum should know that you don't need kryptonite to beat Superman. I myself rate high-end Green Lanterns higher than Superman.

I just got the feeling that Superman surviving galaxy destroying shots was being used as justificaiton that nothing less can harm him basically.

Currently I do not claim that cell can produce a galaxy destroying shot. I know for sure that it hasn't been proven but being on cell's side during this discussion I believe that it won't be nesscasary to use a galaxy destroying shot to win the battle.

What is wrong with cell's other attacks? Does anyone claim that these will have no effect on Superman?

Originally posted by Rorschach
In the anime. He was actually scared of needles in the anime, but not in the manga.

Well, I'm sure you know that anime isn't really canon unless this match is using his anime version? 😕