You Cannot Prove Zeus doesn't Exist

Originally posted by Creshosk

So how am I supposed to take you seriously? Your points aren't valid because they commit the fallacy of argumentum ad ignorantiam.

No they don't.

They address this fallacy. What he is saying is basically that argumentum ad ingnorantiam is logical false.

That's the whole point of this thread.

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
😆

I find your anger amuzing and quite entertaining. 👆

You must be like 15 years old !

Originally posted by Creshosk

This is a thomas the tank engine that exists outside the book.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
First fallacy with your argument is, that for one, we all have more or less an agreed idea/definition of father Christmas and tooth fairy.
Second - those ideas have developed through ages. When they begun, they meant something complitely different - Father Chrismas is St Nicholas, and what the fairies are is not agreed upon, considering that they vary from originally being referred to as ghosts, sometimes angels, sometimes fallen angels and in different folklores as devils.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I hope this alone illustrates with the problem here.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
We do not have an agreed definition of God. What it is or where it is.
You can make up your own definitions - more power to you - that however does not bring us any closer to understanding God.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Second, proof CANNOT and I repeat [b]CANNOT be generated in reference to God BECAUSE God does NOT produce EMPIRICAL data which can be CALCULATED or EVALUATED in order to produce PROOF.

GOD is a philosophical question. It is not scientific. Repeat, NOT scientific. [/B]

Originally posted by Bardock42

Well, I don't find it unreasonable to believe that there are beings more powerful in this Universe. But I think you would have to elaborate what makes them deities in your opinion. Maybe answer a few question,

I'll try.

Originally posted by Bardock42

like: Where do they come from?

Im not sure exactly but they've been around alot longer than us or have always existed. They die but reincarnate (you know matter is never destroyed and all that jazz).

Originally posted by Bardock42

How powerful are they?

They can maniuplate time and space, for example a million years to us is like a minute to them.

Originally posted by Bardock42

How do they interact in our world?

Well lets put it this way, when you see natural phenemonon theres more going on than you think. For example you see a supernova but thats actually a god interacting with this world.

Let me put it this way. How do ants percieve humans? We cant say for sure but if a human being were to stamp his foot the ant might think its an earthquake. If a human being spills his drink on an ant hill he might think its a flood.

Originally posted by Bardock42

Do they leave scientific evidence when they do?

Well they create natural phenemonons but due to are limited perception we cant perceive whats going on. The same way ants may not really understand what a human being is.

Originally posted by Bardock42

Why should they be considered Gods and not just more powerful beings than us?

Nothing really, but because they are very powerful there are benefits in "worshipping" them they are like super relatives.

Originally posted by Bardock42

What is the source of their power? etc.

Belief. Humans not believeing in a god is like a virus. Belief in a god are like anti-bodies that keep the god fit and healthy. (Not an expert on biology but you see where im coming from).

Of course I cant prove that they exist without a shadow of a doubt but when you think of it it seems illogical to think they wouldnt exist. It also seems to me that the universe is infinite due to this beings like this most exist just due to probability. I was given the example that if you give infinite monkeys, infinite typewriters and infinite time they may not neccesarily produce shakespeare. This seems an illogical assumption because its seems to me infinite time by its very defintion creates all possibilites basically you have forever so it has to happen sooner or later.

Originally posted by lord xyz

None of them exist, nor does the point that they mean something else make them exist. Devils and ghosts, don't exist, St Nick, probably, but a fat man riding around on a magic sleigh all over the world in just 24 hours? No. If you think that is in the least bit possible, give us evidence that suggests that. Oh, and while you're at it, give us evidence that it's possible to create a planet in 6 days.

Some people have seen ghosts does that mean because you have never seen a ghost they dont exist. Anything will be possible but that will depend on how science develops. When humans create computers that you can download your mind into reality will become subjective and absolute but we have nto reached that stage yet.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Some people have seen ghosts does that mean because you have never seen a ghost they dont exist. Anything will be possible but that will depend on how science develops. When humans create computers that you can download your mind into reality will become subjective and absolute but we have nto reached that stage yet.

Originally posted by lord xyz
No, they saw what they thought was a ghost, until it can be proven as an actual ghost, it's not.

Well if several people see something that can be seen as evidence. If its just one person it could be his own private hallucination. The more people see the samething the more likely its true.

Also could you please define reality.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well if several people see something that can be seen as evidence. If its just one person it could be his own private hallucination. The more people see the samething the more likely its true.

Also could you please define reality.

Example: Fire. Fire requires heat and fuel to burn. If it's not hot, it won't burn, or it's not fire.

It's not about people seeing it, it's about it being able to fall within scientific laws that make it exist. If it looks like fire, acts like fire, but there's no fuel, then it's probably not fire, but a projection.

This applies to everything, it's what seperates reality with fantasy.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Im not sure exactly but they've been around alot longer than us or have always existed. They die but reincarnate (you know matter is never destroyed and all that jazz).

Longer than this Universe?

Originally posted by Alfheim
They can maniuplate time and space, for example a million years to us is like a minute to them.

Is that all? Or are there other powers? Are they created in this universe or do they come from previous universes, etc.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well lets put it this way, when you see natural phenemonon theres more going on than you think. For example you see a supernova but thats actually a god interacting with this world.

Why do you think that? I mean, we can explain supernovae very well, why do you think there has to be an additional God doing it?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Let me put it this way. How do ants percieve humans? We cant say for sure but if a human being were to stamp his foot the ant might think its an earthquake. If a human being spills his drink on an ant hill he might think its a flood.

True, but there is no explanation of a human spilling a drink on an ant besides a human spilling a drink. It can't happen through solely natural causes. The human is a necessity, not an addition.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well they create natural phenemonons but due to are limited perception we cant perceive whats going on. The same way ants may not really understand what a human being is.

But those natural phenomenons can easily be explained without a God's interference.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Nothing really, but because they are very powerful there are benefits in "worshipping" them they are like super relatives.

What benefits? And why do they care about being worshipped?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Belief. Humans not believeing in a god is like a virus. Belief in a god are like anti-bodies that keep the god fit and healthy. (Not an expert on biology but you see where im coming from).

Where do you gather that from? I mean it is a cute theory, but do you have any evidence implying that?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Of course I cant prove that they exist without a shadow of a doubt but when you think of it it seems illogical to think they wouldnt exist. It also seems to me that the universe is infinite due to this beings like this most exist just due to probability. I was given the example that if you give infinite monkeys, infinite typewriters and infinite time they may not neccesarily produce shakespeare. This seems an illogical assumption because its seems to me infinite time by its very defintion creates all possibilites basically you have forever so it has to happen sooner or later.

Well, given an infinite amount of time everything that is possible will happen, given that there are not an endless amount of possibilities, I assume. Now there are a lot of things that we don't know though, is there an infinite amount of time? Are such being possible? If it had a starting point are we far enough up in time that those beings exist already? Are there also an endless amount of possibilities, meaning that not everything has to happen?

At least in this universe it seems to me logical to assume they don't exist.

Also, wouldn't your argument have to apply to Unicorns, Dragons and the Christian God as well?

And a last question, what do you base your assumptions on?

Originally posted by lord xyz
Reality is what exists within the laws of physics and exists due to those laws and has an absolute existance.

Example: Fire. Fire requires heat and fuel to burn. If it's not hot, it won't burn, or it's not fire.

It's not about people seeing it, it's about it being able to fall within scientific laws that make it exist. If it looks like fire, acts like fire, but there's no fuel, then it's probably not fire, but a projection.

This applies to everything, it's what seperates reality with fantasy.

Look Bro at the end of the day its your senses that enable you to pericieve reality. No senses no reality, no electrical signals in the brain no reality.

Its not just about seeing things, if a group of people see and feel a brick wall it doesnt mean a damn thing that you cant percieve it. Whats so special about you that they're wrong and your right. Hell even the equipment you use to anaylse stuff is just you using your senses.

Sooner or later science will advance to the stage where electrical sginals can be altered. So what then? What do you think the opinion of reality will be? Reality is subjective because reality can be altered.

Originally posted by Creshosk
well there's defintly a miscommunication somewhere...

I beleive there was.

Originally posted by Creshosk
I'm not sure if I agree with that. You might not notice it as much but little commeents like the one you made about them being "man made" sounds like a declaration of fact. and a good number of them will directly say things like that or "there is no god." Since people do not always say "I believe" before they say something its usually taken as the norm that statements like "There is no god" are declaractions of fact rather than declarations of belief. This may be part of where there's a communication error... on my part at least.

Fair Enough. When someone says something with such conviction, it can be intepretted as someone speaking as if they know Fact.

However, there are no door-to-door Atheists. There are no pamphlets about converting to Atheism, there are no politicians declaring the non existance of God, and there are no Atheists evangelizing atheism unto the masses.

Yes, it is true there are books written which declare that there is No God, such as "The God Delusion" and there are Athiest clans online which publicly reject the idea of God and the Holy Spirit.

However, all this is a RESPONSE to the evangelism and imposement of Theists. Theists who do not keep thier beleifs to themselves, but rather enforce them upon others, with words of judgement and threats of Hell, should expect to recieve backlash.

I truly beleive that Theists have began the rift and war between Theism and Atheism. There does not have to be one, Atheists can learn to handle this in more intelligent ways, but Atheists have resorted to the same tactics as Theists.

Theists, however, did initiate this cultural conflict, and I'd expect they can finish what they started.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Possibly. I can't be certain until we make sure there is no communication error

Okay.

Originally posted by Creshosk
I don't think so. I think either conclusion is just as logical or illogical as the other. as Both sides have the same ammount of evidence to support them. None. a lack of evidence for the other side does not support your side. Just as an atheist not having evidence against the existence of God is no support for the Theist, the other way is just as true.

So what about if there is evidense for something ? Would it be more logical to accept or deny ?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Well yeah, however a conclusion can be a fact as well... which.. as was said before... might be part of my error.

One's personal conclusion is what they choose to beleive. That is what I meant when I said conclusion. If something is fact, then to deny it is wrong.

Originally posted by Creshosk
neither is more logical.

Atoms existed before we had evidence of them. To believe that they did not exist before we had evidence of them is illogical.
Logic take a neutral position when there is no evidence.

We can't disbeleive something if we never heard of its existance, so that example may not work.

Also, Atoms have had scientific backing to promote the acceptance of thier existance.

The Christian-Judeo God hasn't.

Originally posted by Creshosk
But you're still going to stick with it being belief rather than fact right? sly

Yes.

Originally posted by Creshosk
So you're either not an atheist or ... well before you were talking about beliefs in the non existence... now you're changing what you arer saying?

I reject the Judeo-Christian God, because there's too many logical problems and contradictions with this.

However, I'm not Atheist. My beleif about God is different. I beleive God is the Universe, and encompasses all that exists.

To me God is the Mystic Law (Buddhism).

God is the Universal Mind- Refer to the philosophical Law of Attraction for more information on the matter.

To me that is God. However, I do not beleive God is a person.

Originally posted by Creshosk
provided it's interpreted correctly and is itself properly translated... however those are both hard to come by as there are differeing translations and different interpritations. I could all be codswallop, but we have no way of knowing because of the different translations and the different interpritations of each translations. How many licks does it get to the center of this tootsie pop? The world may never know. It could be true.. but just as likely its not.

Translation and Intepretation is the problem. No one ever has an agreeing intepretation when it comes to the Bible and Quran.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Unless they state their belief as fact or try to impose their beleif through law, right?

Yes.

Originally posted by Creshosk
VVVVVVyupVVVV looks like we're agreeing thus far.
I'm sensing another route that this opens up, but not being a theist I'm not going to take that route.

Okay.

Originally posted by Creshosk
I wouldn't say nothing.. there are plenty of atheists in the religon sections of message boards, some just as forcefully forward about their beliefs as the theists.

Like I said before, that is always a response to the Theist statement. Also, Atheists do not evangelize...atlteast no where to the amount Theists have.

They just dont want laws, culture, and customs to be defined by something they don't beleive in.

Originally posted by Creshosk
And the atheists who do the same...

No where to the same degree.

Originally posted by Creshosk
the one claiming it as fact, be it atheist or theist.

Like I said before, Theists claim thier beleifs as Fact far more often than Atheists. On top of that, Theists insist on telling other people how to live thier lives. Atheists don't care what others do in that sense in thier own personal lives.

Originally posted by Creshosk
I calls things as I sees thems. You I sees as intelligent.

Thank You, so are you.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Hmm, true I believe. Though, I think it depends on what you define as Zeus, there are many stories about him that took place in our world, those can be proven or disproven scientifically, if you define Zeus as the God that did all that, you probably can disprove him, scientifically. Of course you could still say he made it so the rules of science don't apply, but that doesn't really change the argument. Just like a young earth/universe is scientifically disproven. Scientifically the God of the young earth creationists CAN NOT exist.

Yeah, that's about what I think of that.

That is true, it depends how you define Zeus.

If you use the definition of Zeus as a fictional and mythological character, then yes, Zeus exists.

If you use the lietreal definition of Zeus as true ruler of planet Earth, controller of thunder and lightning, who has his kingdom on Mount Olympus, with sons and daughters who are demigods..then no, he doesn't exist.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Reality is what exists within the laws of physics and exists due to those laws and has an absolute existance.

Example: Fire. Fire requires heat and fuel to burn. If it's not hot, it won't burn, or it's not fire.

It's not about people seeing it, it's about it being able to fall within scientific laws that make it exist. If it looks like fire, acts like fire, but there's no fuel, then it's probably not fire, but a projection.

This applies to everything, it's what seperates reality with fantasy.

Then what do you make of quantum effects that require an observer for anything to occur? Observer-based experiments are the norm in quantum sciences, and directly refute the idea that "reality" is entirely objective.

Beyond that, it is entirely plausible (though, admittedly, unlikely) that a species could exist that experiences human fire as a smell, not a "touch" experience in the form of hot-ness. Similarly, no object, idea, event, etc. is identical for any two people. All of reality is a subjective experience, making certainty of any kind a lie. And no experience has any inherent quality (good, bad, baseball, football, smell, touch, etc.) until our mind assigns it one. All ideas and objects, then, are merely symbolic of the distinction we make of them within our minds and how we experience it.

Consciousness, I would contend, is the only "true" objective reality...entirely because of its subjective nature. All of existence has no meaning. We create the meaning, and it is far from absolute.

I am determinist, and thus believe that there are set causal rules that are followed, but that changes nothing of the subjective nature of experiencing those rules.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Reality is what exists within the laws of physics and exists due to those laws and has an absolute existance.

Example: Fire. Fire requires heat and fuel to burn. If it's not hot, it won't burn, or it's not fire.

It's not about people seeing it, it's about it being able to fall within scientific laws that make it exist. If it looks like fire, acts like fire, but there's no fuel, then it's probably not fire, but a projection.

This applies to everything, it's what seperates reality with fantasy.

Reality is not how you see it.

There are hundreds of colors your eyes can't see, sounds high and low your ears cannot hear, and fields and frequencies of energy you cannot feel.

Reality is our intepretation of the universe. It is subjective, and only exists as how we intepret it.

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
Reality is not how you see it.

There are hundreds of colors your eyes can't see, sounds high and low your ears cannot hear, and fields and frequencies of energy you cannot feel.

Reality is our intepretation of the universe. It is subjective, and only exists as how we intepret it.

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
I beleive there was.

Fair Enough. When someone says something with such conviction, it can be intepretted as someone speaking as if they know Fact.

However, there are no door-to-door Atheists. There are no pamphlets about converting to Atheism, there are no politicians declaring the non existance of God, and there are no Atheists evangelizing atheism unto the masses.

Yes, it is true there are books written which declare that there is No God, such as "The God Delusion" and there are Athiest clans online which publicly reject the idea of God and the Holy Spirit.

However, all this is a [b]RESPONSE to the evangelism and imposement of Theists. Theists who do not keep thier beleifs to themselves, but rather enforce them upon others, with words of judgement and threats of Hell, should expect to recieve backlash.

I truly beleive that Theists have began the rift and war between Theism and Atheism. There does not have to be one, Atheists can learn to handle this in more intelligent ways, but Atheists have resorted to the same tactics as Theists.

Theists, however, did initiate this cultural conflict, and I'd expect they can finish what they started.

Okay.

So what about if there is evidense for something ? Would it be more logical to accept or deny ?

One's personal conclusion is what they choose to beleive. That is what I meant when I said conclusion. If something is fact, then to deny it is wrong.

We can't disbeleive something if we never heard of its existance, so that example may not work.

Also, Atoms have had scientific backing to promote the acceptance of thier existance.

The Christian-Judeo God hasn't.

Yes.

I reject the Judeo-Christian God, because there's too many logical problems and contradictions with this.

However, I'm not Atheist. My beleif about God is different. I beleive God is the Universe, and encompasses all that exists.

To me God is the Mystic Law (Buddhism).

God is the Universal Mind- Refer to the philosophical Law of Attraction for more information on the matter.

To me that is God. However, I do not beleive God is a person.

Translation and Intepretation is the problem. No one ever has an agreeing intepretation when it comes to the Bible and Quran.

Yes.

Okay.

Like I said before, that is always a response to the Theist statement. Also, Atheists do not evangelize...atlteast no where to the amount Theists have.

They just dont want laws, culture, and customs to be defined by something they don't beleive in.

No where to the same degree.

Like I said before, Theists claim thier beleifs as Fact far more often than Atheists. On top of that, Theists insist on telling other people how to live thier lives. Atheists don't care what others do in that sense in thier own personal lives.

Thank You, so are you. [/B]

Originally posted by Bardock42
No, Reality is that what exists regardless of us. What you mean is....what we perceive of reality.

Existance exists regardless of us.

Our reality is the experiences we have. No one else can know our reality, only we can.

Reality is what happens to us. If my current reality is an unhappy life, than it is because of my interactions with the world and with other people, as well as the nature of my thoughts, emotions, and actions.

That will not be someone else's reality.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Well it looks like there's nothing that I disagree with in this post. I agree with your statments. 🙂

Wow...that is awesome 😄

Originally posted by Bardock42
Longer than this Universe?

Possibly.

Originally posted by Bardock42

Is that all? Or are there other powers? Are they created in this universe or do they come from previous universes, etc.

Is that all. If you can control time and space you can control reality.

Originally posted by Bardock42

Why do you think that? I mean, we can explain supernovae very well, why do you think there has to be an additional God doing it?

I guess there doesnt have to be, but when humans manipulate celluar lifeforms I bet they dont think they're being controlled either its just some natural phenenom.

Originally posted by Bardock42

True, but there is no explanation of a human spilling a drink on an ant besides a human spilling a drink. It can't happen through solely natural causes. The human is a necessity, not an addition.

I dont understand how this is relevant. 😐

Originally posted by Bardock42

But those natural phenomenons can easily be explained without a God's interference.

Yes but just because you have an explantion doesnt mean its an accurate one, thats just what human beings know so far. There is probably far more going on than we can percieve. An ant in foootball pitch thinks hes in a jungle.

Originally posted by Bardock42

What benefits?

Well apparently there are actually scientists that actualkly hear voices and these voices have actually helped them with their theories. I dont see why that cant be considered to be revelation from another being.

Originally posted by Bardock42

And why do they care about being worshipped?

I guess some do, some dont.

Originally posted by Bardock42

Where do you gather that from? I mean it is a cute theory, but do you have any evidence implying that?

Well heres the thing I cant provide all the answers but what im trying to do is prove by logic that they probably do exist. I dont think Galileo could actually prove that their was weightlessness on the moon but its reasonable to assume that he could have proven by using theory that it was a likely occurance.

This is how I see it. Bacteria, cellular lifeforms, insects, animals, humans....ok whats next...nothing? Thats illogical. Looking at reality it is a likely probability that there are other beings in existance that are more powerful than us, and the reason why we are not aware of them is probably due to our limited perception. I dont think a dust mite knows that humans exist but we affect their world every day. To be sure I dont know if gods are dependent on ous beleieving in them but since thats how e come up with the concept of them its just a guess for me

Originally posted by Bardock42

Well, given an infinite amount of time everything that is possible will happen, given that there are not an endless amount of possibilities, I assume. Now there are a lot of things that we don't know though, is there an infinite amount of time?

Well considering that you dont get something from nothing. The universe must have always existed. So yes there seems to be an infinite amount of time.

Originally posted by Bardock42

Are such being possible?

Why wouldnt they be? 😬

Originally posted by Bardock42

If it had a starting point are we far enough up in time that those beings exist already?

Well I dont have all the answers but I have given a theory that indicates that gods probably exist.

Originally posted by Bardock42

Are there also an endless amount of possibilities, meaning that not everything has to happen?

Thats a good point, but its possible that we would not exist but we do and the evidence seems to indicate the universe is a very very big place and thus increasing the possibility of their existance. You wouldnt expect a jungle to have no life in it would you?

Originally posted by Bardock42

At least in this universe it seems to me logical to assume they don't exist.

I dont see how, its seems completely illogical.

Originally posted by Bardock42

Also, wouldn't your argument have to apply to Unicorns, Dragons and the Christian God as well?

Yes it would even if they dont exist in this universe they will exist in other ones. Anyway sooner or later humans will be able to create their own reality.

Originally posted by Bardock42

And a last question, what do you base your assumptions on?

Ok but I thought I explained that already.

"This is how I see it. Bacteria, cellular lifeforms, insects, animals, humans....ok whats next...nothing? Thats illogical. Looking at reality it is a likely probability that there are other beings in existance that are more powerful than us, and the reason why we are not aware of them is probably due to our limited perception. I dont think a dust mite knows that humans exist but we affect their world every day."

Originally posted by Alfheim
Possibly.

Is that all. If you can control time and space you can control reality.

I guess there doesnt have to be, but when humans manipulate celluar lifeforms I bet they dont think they're being controlled either its just some natural phenenom.

I dont understand how this is relevant. 😐

Yes but just because you have an explantion doesnt mean its an accurate one, thats just what human beings know so far. There is probably far more going on than we can percieve. An ant in foootball pitch thinks hes in a jungle.

Well apparently there are actually scientists that actualkly hear voices and these voices have actually helped them with their theories. I dont see why that cant be considered to be revelation from another being.

I guess some do, some dont.

Well heres the thing I cant provide all the answers but what im trying to do is prove by logic that they probably do exist. I dont think Galileo could actually prove that their was weightlessness on the moon but its reasonable to assume that he could have proven by using theory that it was a likely occurance.

This is how I see it. Bacteria, cellular lifeforms, insects, animals, humans....ok whats next...nothing? Thats illogical. Looking at reality it is a likely probability that there are other beings in existance that are more powerful than us, and the reason why we are not aware of them is probably due to our limited perception. I dont think a dust mite knows that humans exist but we affect their world every day. To be sure I dont know if gods are dependent on ous beleieving in them but since thats how e come up with the concept of them its just a guess for me

Well considering that you dont get something from nothing. The universe must have always existed. So yes there seems to be an infinite amount of time.

Why wouldnt they be? 😬

Well I dont have all the answers but I have given a theory that indicates that gods probably exist.

Thats a good point, but its possible that we would not exist but we do and the evidence seems to indicate the universe is a very very big place and thus increasing the possibility of their existance. You wouldnt expect a jungle to have no life in it would you?

I dont see how, its seems completely illogical.

Yes it would even if they dont exist in this universe they will exist in other ones. Anyway sooner or later humans will be able to create their own reality.

Ok but I thought I explained that already.

"This is how I see it. Bacteria, cellular lifeforms, insects, animals, humans....ok whats next...nothing? Thats illogical. Looking at reality it is a likely probability that there are other beings in existance that are more powerful than us, and the reason why we are not aware of them is probably due to our limited perception. I dont think a dust mite knows that humans exist but we affect their world every day."

The problem with your theories is, imo, that you can't prove a thing, not sure if you can put a likelihood on it either. I understand as a personal belief it is alright, but it just doesn't convince me, the arguments are not conclusive, imo.

Originally posted by Bardock42
The problem with your theories is, imo, that you can't prove a thing,

No I cant but my its more likely they exist than dont exist.

Originally posted by Bardock42

not sure if you can put a likelihood on it either.

Well again. Bacteria, cellular lifeforms, insects, animals , humans...so what you're telling me is that its rational to believe that there are no lifeforms more powerful than humans. Thats illogical.

Originally posted by Alfheim
No I cant but my its more likely they exist than dont exist.

Well again. Bacteria, cellular lifeforms, insects, animals , humans...so what you're telling me is that its rational to believe that there are no lifeforms more powerful than humans. Thats illogical.