Originally posted by BattlehammerActually it was hyperboling seeing as he only said he could punch 100 times he never actually showed he could.
no i mean meta that actaully has superhuman reflexes.actaully he was faster then hiei and heie was unable to fallow his movements........
actaully it not hyper boling..........
which was shown to be a joke........and yusuke was out of energy.........
Yeah because Yusuke was obviously joking about saving his best friend 😉
Originally posted by Newjak
Actually it was hyperboling seeing as he only said he could punch 100 times he never actually showed he could.Yeah because Yusuke was obviously joking about saving his best friend 😉
it was stated...........and then he moved so fast he kill the guy with out him being able to react...........
have you even seen the episode it was clearly made out of humor..........not to mention yuske was out of power meaning he was imply a normal human at the time keeping up with a car..........
Originally posted by BattlehammerIt was stated then he got cut by Hiei the Blue Dragon was only on screen when he killed the other saint Beast then got killed.
it was stated...........and then he moved so fast he kill the guy with out him being able to react...........have you even seen the episode it was clearly made out of humor..........not to mention yuske was out of power meaning he was imply a normal human at the time keeping up with a car..........
So it was a joke because you don't like the fact it makes Yusuke look bad and that wasn't the only time he was barely able to outrun a bus coming at him.
Every time he runs through the city it takes him forever to get around.
Originally posted by NewjakHow about he was faster than Genkai who was able to snatch the guy's fake nose off without him realizing or seeing? In anime you have to look at what other people have done before that with speed or power and how easily they were beat. ABC logic is really the only way to do something from manga or anime. And it's not like they were moving faster than normal humans can see. They were moving faster than highly trained demons could see that could easily move faster than a normal human.
He has speed but once again nothing that Colossus hasn't seen before.Seriously the entire argument is being based on indirectly on a being whose best feat is hyperbole stated and not actually shown.
And FYI Wolverine and Spidey's feats are better than Teguro's and in some instances way better than Hiei as well. Once again the best speed feat you can come up with for Teguro is a hyperbole feat. That means it means jack and nothing when being used considering there are no other feats for the Blue Dragon.
I mean you can make a million connections.
This guy beat that guy and that guy was faster than this guy and that guy was faster than this other guy and that guy said he could do this
but when the entire connection has such a weak foundation as Hyperbole the whole argument falls apart.
Originally posted by NewjakIt's like that in some animes. Like in Hokuto No Ken, it takes Ken a while to get places even when running yet when he went to a place of the deadliest and best fighters he fought so fast he wasn't even moving to the other fighters around him and his opponent. Or in GetBackers Ban was shown leaning against the wall but was able to move up to a higher platform and touch some guy without even seeming to move yet he takes a while to actually get places and uses a car.
Every time he runs through the city it takes him forever to get around.
Originally posted by KentoSo youi have to use BAC Logic which is one of the worst ways to determine power levels seeing as most of the people being used
How about he was faster than Genkai who was able to snatch the guy's fake nose off without him realizing or seeing? In anime you have to look at what other people have done before that with speed or power and how easily they were beat. ABC logic is really the only way to do something from manga or anime. And it's not like they were moving faster than normal humans can see. They were moving faster than highly trained demons could see that could easily move faster than a normal human.It's like that in some animes. Like in Hokuto No Ken, it takes Ken a while to get places even when running yet when he went to a place of the deadliest and best fighters he fought so fast he wasn't even moving to the other fighters around him and his opponent. Or in GetBackers Ban was shown leaning against the wall but was able to move up to a higher platform and touch some guy without even seeming to move yet he takes a while to actually get places and uses a car.
Like the clown and Blue Dragon have basically no speed feats of their own. It is a baseless foundation and shows they have not demonstrated any speed or reaction feat Spiderman or WOlverine or even Captai nAMerica hasn't done.
And by the way I'm talking about Yu Yu Hakasu. Not some other anime where the speed feats of Yu Yu Hakasu are pathetic compared to most Comic characters feats. Their feats put them in the low to mid meta range for that cateogry. Their overall power level was pathetic to begin with.
Ironman would destroy any Yu Yu Hakasu character with his weapons even an S class Demon.
The show was good but the whole logic off people being biult up on such baseless BAC logic fails and is just flat out not good especially when you look at tehir actual feats for themselves.
Originally posted by Newjak
Actually they have once again check out the respect threads and you will see what I mean. Spiderman continuly moves faster than humans can track and often is shown dnacing around the person in multiple images on the same panel which actually atristically speaking is better than some blurry lines 😉
Originally posted by Newjak
The point is it is hyperbole it doesn't matter wether he said it or not. If some new guy in the commic came in and said oh look I can lift a car and toss it a mile but he never does just knocks out a human being then we would say he couldn't do becasue his best feat is knocking out a human.
If it was Kuwabara who said something like “Hey, that dude just threw a hundred in an instant!” then you’d have a case that it’s hyperbole. But it wasn’t, so you don’t.
Originally posted by Newjak
That is the whole basis of the Teguro Argument. You guys are basing his speed indirectly to somone who has no actuall speed feats to begin with.
It’s all relative.
Originally posted by Newjak
And it may be apples in oranges but there is still a direct relevence to one's speed and ability to move.
Yusuke needing a bike to catch a truck doesn’t take any thing away from that at all.
Originally posted by Newjak
But the point is you are basing it off of a guy with no speed feats when there are speed feats that directly contradict that they can move that fast. Yusuke can run at max 60 MPH as shown by his own feats and is more directly related to Teguro than the Blue Dragon.
The fact that we couldn't count them all, but o by what he said is no different form Northstar has done before. Considering that Seiryuu has used that attack more than once before, I'd bet you a hefty sum he would know how many punches he threw better than any one else.
Originally posted by Newjak
And no he isn't easily strong enough to hurt Colossus considering Colossus takes Spirit Gun blasts all the time in the form of Cyclops and Havok without flinching and has overpowered She-Hulk.
This is like Colossus vs Thing…
... except now Thing has Class 100 strength, super-speed, better fighting skills, a healing factor, an acid-like aura, the ability to suck souls, etc.
For the sake of argument, let’s say you’re right that Toguro is only as fast as Spider-Man. That’s still easily fast enough to dance circles around Colossus, all while pounding him with Class 100 blows. If Piotr manages to tag him here and there, Toguro can just shrug it off and then resume his pounding.
Colossus is durable, but he ain’t shrugging that off.
Originally posted by Newjak
By the way She-Hulk does have better strength feats than Teguro.
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However, you’re comparing classic She-Hulk to 100% Toguro, which is an entirely different ballgame.
Originally posted by Newjak
So then how do you prove Teguro is a good deal faster than Wolverine you show him doing feats that are beyond those guys which you haven't.Your best argument is hyperbole ridden with direct contradictions to it.
And you keep saying Wolverine and Spider-Man have feats on par with Genkai’s nose swiping feat. I defy you show me a single instance where Spider-Man has ever managed to replicate that feat in his career or at least something similar.
And I don’t mean where people could see him coming but were too slow to react; I mean where no body even realized he even moved a considerable distance until it was too late.
Originally posted by Accel
But he hasn’t moved 20 feet and back at invisible speeds to swipe something from a guy before even realizes something’s missing. Genkai has, and Toguro’s kept up with he no problem.I’m curious, why are you so sure it’s hyperbole? Because he was the one who said it? It’s his own attack. He has no reason to exaggerate it right after he demonstrates it to a group.
If it was Kuwabara who said something like “Hey, that dude just threw a hundred in an instant!” then you’d have a case that it’s hyperbole. But it wasn’t, so you don’t.
Except he does. Several characters do. There’s Seiryuu and his hundred punches a second and Hiei blitzing him. There’s Yusuke and Kuwabara dodging bullets [b]before
they undergo any intense training/powerups for the Dark Tournament. There’s Hiei cutting a guy’s arm off so fast he doesn’t even realize any thing happened. There’s Genkai swiping that other guy’s rubber nose off from 10 yards away.It’s all relative.
I think you may have misunderstood the concept of apples and oranges. The fact that they are NOT directly relevant. Both Yusuke and Toguro, several other characters in the series, have shown very fast combat speeds, far above the likes of Spider-Man, much less Colossus.
Yusuke needing a bike to catch a truck doesn’t take any thing away from that at all.
Again, he does have incredible speed that, for some reason, you can’t seem to accept. You honestly think that flurry of punches Seiryuu threw was just a show?
The fact that we couldn't count them all, but o by what he said is no different form Northstar has done before. Considering that Seiryuu has used that attack more than once before, I'd bet you a hefty sum he would know how many punches he threw better than any one else.
Yes. He is.
This is like Colossus vs Thing…
... except now Thing has Class 100 strength, super-speed, better fighting skills, a healing factor, an acid-like aura, the ability to suck souls, etc.For the sake of argument, let’s say you’re right that Toguro is only as fast as Spider-Man. That’s still easily fast enough to dance circles around Colossus, all while pounding him with Class 100 blows. If Piotr manages to tag him here and there, Toguro can just shrug it off and then resume his pounding.
Colossus is durable, but he ain’t shrugging that off.
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Only if you compare an amped She-Hulk to Toguro when he’s at best 80%.However, you’re comparing classic She-Hulk to 100% Toguro, which is an entirely different ballgame.
How so? You say that Seiryuu’s punching speed is hyperbole, which is based off of nothing and assumes Seiryuu knows nothing about his own attack.
And you keep saying Wolverine and Spider-Man have feats on par with Genkai’s nose swiping feat. I defy you show me a single instance where Spider-Man has ever managed to replicate that feat in his career or at least something similar.
And I don’t mean where people could see him coming but were too slow to react; I mean where no body even realized he even moved a considerable distance until it was too late. [/B]
Very good points, accel...
However, you completely neglected to mention something...
Colossus, 10/10.
😖hifty:.
Originally posted by Newjak
So youi have to use BAC Logic which is one of the worst ways to determine power levels seeing as most of the people being used
Originally posted by Newjak
Like the clown and Blue Dragon have basically no speed feats of their own. It is a baseless foundation and shows they have not demonstrated any speed or reaction feat Spiderman or WOlverine or even Captai nAMerica hasn't done.
And the clown guy was able to swiftly deal with Kuwabara, who was easily a bullet-timer before he even began to train for the tournament.
Originally posted by Newjak
And by the way I'm talking about Yu Yu Hakasu. Not some other anime where the speed feats of Yu Yu Hakasu are pathetic compared to most Comic characters feats. Their feats put them in the low to mid meta range for that cateogry. Their overall power level was pathetic to begin with.
Originally posted by Newjak
Ironman would destroy any Yu Yu Hakasu character with his weapons even an S class Demon.
Iron Man wouldn’t even be able to take out a B-Class demon like Toguro or Bui.
Originally posted by Newjak
The show was good but the whole logic off people being biult up on such baseless BAC logic fails and is just flat out not good especially when you look at tehir actual feats for themselves.
Originally posted by AccelIt is hyperbole because the only indication of the speed of the feat came from the own character's voice.
But he hasn’t moved 20 feet and back at invisible speeds to swipe something from a guy before even realizes something’s missing. Genkai has, and Toguro’s kept up with he no problem.I’m curious, why are you so sure it’s hyperbole? Because he was the one who said it? It’s his own attack. He has no reason to exaggerate it right after he demonstrates it to a group.
If it was Kuwabara who said something like “Hey, that dude just threw a hundred in an instant!” then you’d have a case that it’s hyperbole. But it wasn’t, so you don’t.
Except he does. Several characters do. There’s Seiryuu and his hundred punches a second and Hiei blitzing him. There’s Yusuke and Kuwabara dodging bullets [b]before
they undergo any intense training/powerups for the Dark Tournament. There’s Hiei cutting a guy’s arm off so fast he doesn’t even realize any thing happened. There’s Genkai swiping that other guy’s rubber nose off from 10 yards away.It’s all relative.
I think you may have misunderstood the concept of apples and oranges. The fact that they are NOT directly relevant. Both Yusuke and Toguro, several other characters in the series, have shown very fast combat speeds, far above the likes of Spider-Man, much less Colossus.
Yusuke needing a bike to catch a truck doesn’t take any thing away from that at all.
Again, he does have incredible speed that, for some reason, you can’t seem to accept. You honestly think that flurry of punches Seiryuu threw was just a show?
The fact that we couldn't count them all, but o by what he said is no different form Northstar has done before. Considering that Seiryuu has used that attack more than once before, I'd bet you a hefty sum he would know how many punches he threw better than any one else.
Yes. He is.
This is like Colossus vs Thing…
... except now Thing has Class 100 strength, super-speed, better fighting skills, a healing factor, an acid-like aura, the ability to suck souls, etc.For the sake of argument, let’s say you’re right that Toguro is only as fast as Spider-Man. That’s still easily fast enough to dance circles around Colossus, all while pounding him with Class 100 blows. If Piotr manages to tag him here and there, Toguro can just shrug it off and then resume his pounding.
Colossus is durable, but he ain’t shrugging that off.
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Only if you compare an amped She-Hulk to Toguro when he’s at best 80%.However, you’re comparing classic She-Hulk to 100% Toguro, which is an entirely different ballgame.
How so? You say that Seiryuu’s punching speed is hyperbole, which is based off of nothing and assumes Seiryuu knows nothing about his own attack.
And you keep saying Wolverine and Spider-Man have feats on par with Genkai’s nose swiping feat. I defy you show me a single instance where Spider-Man has ever managed to replicate that feat in his career or at least something similar.
And I don’t mean where people could see him coming but were too slow to react; I mean where no body even realized he even moved a considerable distance until it was too late. [/B]
That's hyperbole plain and simple.
Dodoging bullets 😆
Not like Batamn has ever done that and once again Batman has disarmed people before they knew what was happening as well.
These feats have no real grounding to prove once again that they can fight any faster than Wolverine. A range of speed Colossus has dealt with many times before.
And as for Spiderman replicating Genkai's feat you do know Spiderman has been shown multiple times to appear multiple times in the same panel.
Seriously there is nothing and you can check Spider-man's respect thread if you want to.
Your check out Deathstroke the Terminator.
And you are right Colossus is durable and can take and shrug off everything Teguro was shown to be able to throw out.
And by the way Ironman can shoot out blasts hotter than the sun I think he would take any Yu Yu Hakasu character.
Originally posted by AccelYep ABC logic is the end all and be all I mean
For a series like YYH, ABC logic works fine. It’ one of those series where the characters become progressively stronger, like DBZ.Except they do. For some reason, you’re assuming that Seiryuu was lying about his own attack right after he showed what it was.
And the clown guy was able to swiftly deal with Kuwabara, who was easily a bullet-timer before he even began to train for the tournament.
So were Dragonball characters. And look how far they came.
You serious? Yusuke and Sensui, two S-Class beings, were tearing apart mountains in their fight, and even moving fast enough to fight in between the flying rocks form the explosions.
Iron Man wouldn’t even be able to take out a B-Class demon like Toguro or Bui.
You only consider it baseless because you dismiss every single feat that’s presented. I’d still like to see any thing that proves Seiryuu was lying about his attack speed or that Spider-Man has any thing close to the kind of speed presented regularly.
Silver Surfer is faster than light, firelord can tag Silver Surfer
Spiderman has tagged Firelord
Therefore Spiderman must move faster than light 😱
Yep nothing wrong with ABC logic 🙄
Originally posted by BattlehammerYep I'm glad that clears everything up Kuwabara can now keep up with fighters great feats and logic on display here guys 😉
not to mention kuwabara makes a comment in the dark tourament that now he was able to see people move that he could not before..........and toguro at the time was many many many many times faster then kuwabara.........at the time
Originally posted by Battlehammeractually spiderman's best speed feat is dancing around someone appearing to be in multiple places at the same time but I guess we don't include that.
actaully spidermans best speed feat is moving so fast a normal human saw him in a blur...........how does the even campare to people moving so fast people beyond human can see them move?
I don't know if this will be a factor but here is proof Colossus is immune to magical spells.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20durablity/Colossusresistspellunc241.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20durablity/Colossusresistspellunc241-2.jpg
Originally posted by Newjak
actually spiderman's best speed feat is dancing around someone appearing to be in multiple places at the same time but I guess we don't include that.
that was an agility feat mostly...........and again a normal person and he was still seen.........he was just movign extremely fast.
he never moved fast enough were a person with superhuman reflexes could not see him
