Superman vs. Captain America's Shield

Started by Alfheim10 pages
Originally posted by h1a8
He didn't punch the shield as hard as he did the planet.

Glads was pissed and he was punching against it he was hitting it as hard as he could.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Glads was pissed and he was punching against it he was hitting it as hard as he could.

Punching as hard as he can doesn't mean he was punching with the same force as busting the planet. Otherwise, what was behind the shield we he punched it would have been destroyed like the planet. Especially since the shield is both able to be batted (knocked) away and able to be forced through objects with only human force.

Read this past post of mine for my interpretation of the physics behind Cap's shield (which haven't really been fully explained) and why your intuitions behind what would happen, wouldn't happen at all for the reasons you think. It's forgivable since that's what would happen in real life, but not in comics as clearly illustrated in Cap's stories:

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Funny how Cap's shield contradicts itself. It can take any punishment and nullify the momentum, yet it seems to retain that momentum just fine and not absorb any impacts when its thrown at someone or something.

Interesting... 🤨


Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Let me illustrate the issue more definitively, "If I dangled Cap's shield from the ceiling with a string and shoot a stream of water at it, will it not swing at all? What about Cyke's blast?"

My explanation has to do with the convex/vibranium nature of his shield. Convex curvature of any object results in natural redistribution of force. Quick illustration, "Choose whether or not you want to punch a flat 1-inch thick wooden board, or a curved outward 1-inch thick wooden board." You get the idea. Its just natural physics. The punch's force goes into the board but gets splashed outwards more dramatically with a more convex curvature.

Now vibranium supposedly absorbs force. We're smart enough to know it doesn't just do away with force and casts it into nothingness. It probably works, if not in exact theory, then in analogy, like a car's shock absorbers. All the force is there bouncing the car up and down, but the spring coil's properties dampen the bouncing by redistributing the force throughout the coil. With vibranium its the same thing. The force may get absorbed/dampened because it goes straight to the strong molecular bonds, or because vibranium molecules act in tandem and bounce force back and forth at astonishing speeds to make it seem like the force disappeared, whatever. Its the same idea.

Take that convex nature and throw vibranium into the equation, and you get a drastically exagerrated effect that appears to be pure force absorption and nullification but is really in fact just redistribution. This works both ways too however. Think about the concave nature when you look from behind Cap's shield. If vibranium redistributes force so insanely, then Cap's strength, pushing from behind, would eventually get redistributed into the very center of the shield from behind since that is the focus. Therefore, you have inertia from the back since his strength can't get splashed outwards anywhere. It eventually meets in the focus.

So take the illustration above and apply these concepts: If nothing was behind the shield, then a stream of water would cause the shield to swing. And Cyke's blast would make it swing and fly away into the next county. Now with the water stream, a single finger applying constant pressure from behind is probably enough to stop the shield from moving. The ratio of outer force necessary to overpower inner force is probably exponential, considering vibranium's crazy redistribution characteristics. So in order to stop Cyke's blast, a blast that could puncture a mountain, all that's necessary is, say, the strength of a Super Soldier pushing from behind to keep the shield stationary.

So what about when Cap clonks someone in the head in mid-flight with his thrown shield? Wouldn't this exponential ratio of force mean that the force behind his thrown shield would result in the guy's head getting splattered, like a missile just hit it? Well, no. I'm not saying Cap's strength is multiplied. But the dampening effects caused by the convex curvature and vibranium's distribution properties allow Cap to withstand Thanos crushing down on him and other law defying feats like the picture posted below. That picture involved an entire skyscraper on top of Cap and an energy shield that specifically simulated a strong vibranium matrix as described by Sharon Carter, who gave it to him.

Originally posted by MJOILNIR
what does that have to do with anything?

rune king thor>>>>>>>>>>>>>>superman

Originally posted by Battlehammer
rune king thor>>>>>>>>>>>>>>superman
RKT has nothing to do with this

Originally posted by lando005
RKT has nothing to do with this

yes but they were using the pic to help there superman arguement.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
yes but they were using the pic to help there superman arguement.
but it doesn't help their argument at all

Superman vs Captain America's shield

Can the man of steel punch a hole through Captain America's adamantium shield?

Re: Superman vs Captain America's shield

^ no

Originally posted by ra7whore
Captain America's adamantium shield

and no

Captain America's shield can absorb any impact.

Only molecular or magic can threaten it.

And get a classier name!!!

Superman can still beat the shield through BFR though. I'll give him 3/10 for the ocasional BFR

Originally posted by 753
Superman can still beat the shield through BFR though. I'll give him 3/10 for the ocasional BFR

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I think he can dent and deform it but i dont think he can punch his way through

however, if cap is holding the shield he probably wouldnt survive multiple impacts

he wont even dent it and CA would survive it. the shield apparently cant be overloaded and any kinetic energy that hits it directly will be absorbed and have its effects negated.

Originally posted by 753
he wont even dent it and CA would survive it. the shield apparently cant be overloaded and any kinetic energy that hits it directly will be absorbed and have its effects negated.

Apparently one of the chemicals that spilled onto the shield while the creator was sleeping was magical leperchaun powder, because the shield shits on the laws of physics, especially the way it handled Human Torch's attack.

The color of/on the shield is also indestructible.

yes, I too find its displayed defenses against area attacks a ridiculous plot device. personally, I label them all PIS

Originally posted by 753
yes, I too find its displayed defenses against area attacks a ridiculous plot device. personally, I label them all PIS
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EDIT: I just need to mention it again: IT KNOCKED SANDMAN OUT!!!!