Originally posted by lando005
thor is equal to if not stronger than sups on his own thor with the odin force >>>>>sups
Regular Thor is nowhere near superman's strength it riduculous.
Why do you say such crazy stuff. Superman's strength is at least in the of quintillions of tons if not more. Hhe wasn't even flinching when lifting 200 quadrillions tons with his left hand and one third of this is about 67 quadrillions. So with all his might he can possibly lift more than 20 times this (since he wasn't even flinching with his left hand) and easily exceed to the quintillions. Plus in JLA: World War Three story-line: Superman was chained to the endless millwheels of the Mageddon machinery. His strength was used to move the gears of a weapon whose size dwarfed the entire Earth/Moon system.
And the crazy part is that Supes holds back most of the time because of mental blocks. It is reasonable to believe that he can dent the shield under extreme determination.
Lastly many here are using faulty reasoning.
They assume that since Thor with the Odin Force can dent Cap's shield then Supes can't since he is supposedly weaker. That's like saying since an armor piercing bullet can penetrate a block of wood then a regular lead bullet can't since its weaker. Maybe Supes can make a much smaller dent (but still dent it).
if we let superman sundip for a while i think he could bust captain america's shield to pieces...
he would go sundip for 5 min, punch it and see if anything happens, then he would go sundip for 10min, punch it and see if anything happesn, rince repeat until he does bust that shield.
though i dont really know how much dipping he would actually have to do 😛
Originally posted by h1a8that was ALL STAR SUPERMAN regular superman cant even move the moon he's not in the quad strength class at best the hundred thousands there is no way under normal conditions that superman would ever dent that shield he's more likely to break his hand on it
Regular Thor is nowhere near superman's strength it riduculous.
Why do you say such crazy stuff. Superman's strength is at least in the of quintillions of tons if not more. Hhe wasn't even flinching when lifting 200 quadrillions tons with his left hand and one third of this is about 67 quadrillions. So with all his might he can possibly lift more than 20 times this (since he wasn't even flinching with his left hand) and easily exceed to the quintillions. Plus in JLA: World War Three story-line: Superman was chained to the endless millwheels of the Mageddon machinery. His strength was used to move the gears of a weapon whose size dwarfed the entire Earth/Moon system.
And the crazy part is that Supes holds back most of the time because of mental blocks. It is reasonable to believe that he can dent the shield under extreme determination.Lastly many here are using faulty reasoning.
They assume that since Thor with the Odin Force can dent Cap's shield then Supes can't since he is supposedly weaker. That's like saying since an armor piercing bullet can penetrate a block of wood then a regular lead bullet can't since its weaker. Maybe Supes can make a much smaller dent (but still dent it).
Originally posted by kevdude
Nah Caps shield wouldn't be effected by Superman. If Supes can't pick up Thors hammer he will never be able to rip the shield apart.
Lifting Mjolnir and damaging Cap's shield have absolutely nothing to do with each other.
Anyway, to give some people an idea on how strong most characters are, a fully loaded 747 weighs over 300 tons, and we've all seen most characters lift something similar to that on more than one occasion, if that helps give anyone an idea (those who didn't already have an idea).
Originally posted by lando005
that was ALL STAR SUPERMAN regular superman cant even move the moon he's not in the quad strength class at best the hundred thousands there is no way under normal conditions that superman would ever dent that shield he's more likely to break his hand on it
comics contradict themselves all the time. That is why he get low showings, high showings, and even PIS. I even seen spiderman struggle lifting a car over his head before.
It is a fact that Superman's strength fluctuates depending on his will, vicinity to a yellow sun, how much mental blocks are removed, and how much energy he has absorbed. If he couldn't move a moon then why when he was chained to the endless millwheels of the Mageddon machinery was able to use his strength to move the gears of a weapon whose size dwarfed the entire Earth/Moon system? Any why when angered (some mental blocks removed) was he easily able to bust a moon in half? And why with only sundipping for a moment was he able to overpower thousands of galaxies of power? There is no way a small portion of energy from one star can equal thousands of galaxies of power unless supe's energy is part psionic as byrne already confirmed.
Nothing short of top of the line cosmic shatters the shield. Doom w/ Beyonder's power, pre-retcon Molecule Man, Thanos w/ Infinity Gauntlet, King Thor w/ Odinforce. I don't put Superman anywhere near those levels.
Strength alone doesn't cut it. No matter how impressive it is. Superman would hurt himself a lot trying to faze the shield. That's the bottom-line.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Also Gladiator has punched against Caps shield and it didnt do a damn thing. Gladiator is supposed to be based on Superman right and has destroyed a plant with several punches apparently.
He didn't punch the shield as hard as he did the planet.
If regular supes under supreme determination can't put a small dent in it (I seriously doubt that though) then it is a fact that sundipped Superman can.
Originally posted by h1a8or it could be that his strength varies because it's his comic he's dc's flag ship character and they always want to make him look good. His powers are not psionic in nature they are do to a unique gland in his body that converts solar energy into bio energy for him, and even that doesnt cleaify feats he has over the years as to say his body can only hold soo much energy within it he's a solar battery with a fixed capacity yet dc has him continue to get stronger every year to a point that is believe able we could just say he hasn't reached full capacity yet but with him sun dipping that's not the case his strength should be topped out by now but like i said dc wants to make him look good so they will find ways to increase his strength sometimes without any reason at all. The thing is though sun dipped or not current sups can NOT even dent cap's shield without pis cis
comics contradict themselves all the time. That is why he get low showings, high showings, and even PIS. I even seen spiderman struggle lifting a car over his head before.It is a fact that Superman's strength fluctuates depending on his will, vicinity to a yellow sun, how much mental blocks are removed, and how much energy he has absorbed. If he couldn't move a moon then why when he was chained to the endless millwheels of the Mageddon machinery was able to use his strength to move the gears of a weapon whose size dwarfed the entire Earth/Moon system? Any why when angered (some mental blocks removed) was he easily able to bust a moon in half? And why with only sundipping for a moment was he able to overpower thousands of galaxies of power? There is no way a small portion of energy from one star can equal thousands of galaxies of power unless supe's energy is part psionic as byrne already confirmed.