Why do some enjoy seeing others down/fall?

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
I really think you need to define "rising" and "falling" - I mean Paris Hilton and Nicole Ritchie? I laugh when a comedian does a good bit on them, I don't when they don't. Beyond that I really wish I didn't have to hear about them, and I don't think the news is really the medium for examining Paris Hilton's latest antics.

What exactly has she contributed, or anything, that technically puts her in a elevated position making he capable of falling, beyond people showing interest in her? They "fell", comedians make jokes, the world moves on. I know I'm not taking joy in their "fall" and nor am I on the ground beating my chest and wailing "Oh Britney, you don't deserve this!"

What I can be heard saying is "why the hell should this be on the news? It is her life, she made her choices, she has to deal with the results, like any normal mere mortal."

From what I have seen their issue had nothing to do with the fact she was rising and wanting to see her fall, but rather the things she said in relation to writing/philosophy, and/or the way the book was written (I appreciate it for what it is, though I felt it was ponderously written).

Hence why you should justify "rise and fall" - criticism of work is not desire to see someone fall, it is saying "I have a problem with what you are writing/saying/advocating/ and/or how you are doing it."

And I imagine there were people who disliked her, but a good number of the people who didn't like her writing/philosophy where just that = people not liking her writing/philosophy. Not people with some personal lust for her failure.

And ultimately if one puts themselves out there they have to understand, and accept, that some of the things they do wont be accepted by all, and as such there will be criticism.

I just think that hearing any celeb FALL or disgrace themselves isn't for my amusement at all, it's troubling, and it's not cute. Whitney Houston, that was TERRIBLE, terrible, terrible to her in that state, I don't care if she thought she was "all that", what does that have to do with ME? Reduce her life before the world b/c someone felt she thought she was "too good", so? I had a lady tell me that, WH felt she was too good and needed someone like BB to put her in her place. I thought, WOW lady, wow. WH, Paris, T.Campbell, as long as I don't "hear" there thoughts of me in such a way that it influences my work, love life, ability to socialize, WHY DO I CARE? WHY? I DON'T CARE WHAT SHE THINKS OF HERSELF, SHE THINK SHE WAS THE QUEEN BEE OF {BLANK}, HOW DOES THAT EFFECT MY SELF ESTEEM? IT DOESN'T, THAT'S THE TRICK, IT DOESN'T. And for those who allow it to effect their self worth, I wonder about them, I really do. I can care less what Paris thinks of herself, if she's destroying her life, I may end up caring, but if she thinks she's "all that", what does her mindset have to do with my job? my life? my love? my business? my income? my raises? my friends? my abilities? Some folks really do need to get a life and stop being so negative and hurtful in the lives of others, they really do need to get a hobby. If they feel this way about celebs they don't even know, can you imagine the stuff they do to their family members, coworkers? finding out if that person thinks they are "too good" and then stabbing them as they enjoy their fall? A person can talk by me and think that they are the better then or less then, their thoughts are for themelves, it's their institution, not mine, I don't own their thoughts of themselves, nor do I feel the right to manage it for them.

If we actually had love in our hearts, we wouldn't be trying to control people and having a time when they "fall". Maybe that celeb doesn't like females or dark females or apples or oranges or peaches or those who can't tan or gays or those who can tan or those who are grey or those who aren't, i don't give a darn what they like or dislike as long as they aren't troubling my job, welfare, income, banking, property, my right to speech or my civil rights, if they leave me alone, what do i care what they claim they like or dislike?

There are all sorts of philosophies out there, but the state of our culture, esp over the past 20-30 years has been in the joy of seeing negativity in others, esp. celebs (and that includes popular philosopher like Ayn Rand, again, even if I disagree with her work).

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
I only read The Fountainhead, and I hated it.

that's very sad 🙁 I have just gotten into the audio version

Howard Roark is becoming a character I am loving much like Holden Caulfield

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
I just think that hearing any celeb FALL or disgrace themselves isn't for my amusement at all, it's troubling, and it's not cute.

Who said they are falling for your amusement?

Whitney Houston, that was TERRIBLE, terrible, terrible to her in that state, I don't care if she thought she was "all that", what does that have to do with ME?

Yes... what does that have to do with you?

If we actually had love in our hearts, we wouldn't be trying to control people and having a time when they "fall". Maybe that celeb doesn't like females or dark females or apples or oranges or peaches or those who can't tan or gays or those who can tan or those who are grey or those who aren't, i don't give a darn what they like or dislike as long as they aren't troubling my job, welfare, income, banking, property, my right to speech or my civil rights, if they leave me alone, what do i care what they claim they like or dislike?

You really aren't making sense - how exactly are we control people, what proof do you have most of us "have a time" when they fall?

There are all sorts of philosophies out there, but the state of our culture, esp over the past 20-30 years has been in the joy of seeing negativity in others, esp. celebs (and that includes popular philosopher like Ayn Rand, again, even if I disagree with her work).

Well considering Ayn Rand died almost 30 years ago she must have been at the very beginning of your "negative state of culture" - and what do you mean "seeing negativity in others"?

Originally posted by inimalist
that's very sad 🙁 I have just gotten into the audio version

Howard Roark is becoming a character I am loving much like Holden Caulfield

I learned that we don't have true freedom of speech. I will not comment about Roark or anyone, as this stuff tends to carry in ways that is really unnecessary. I was raised by parents who told all of us girls and boys that we had a right to speak our minds, to be opinioned and to argue (effectively). They made a huge mistake.

Sorry, I won't put myself out there anymore, just to find out someone wants to tear me down for my "thoughts".

Have the debate with someone who doesn't mind the lack of freedom and will end up on the attack later on, as the folks sneak and look at past posts to see how they can exercise their jealousy and envy, maybe b/c they would be upset b/c they never heard of Hoark, or A.R. or they maybe jealous of the person's ability to argue or express themselves or THINK, or the fact that the person enjoys reading, who knows why a person would get in the mood to go on the attack, and guess what, the internet isn't private, yeah, that's news. So, they can do all sorts of things to a person. IT's not private and there is no such thing as freedom in speech, not yet.

Sorry I can't debate with you about this topic, maybe someone else can be so bold.

And again, these folks can find out your bank account and make fraudulant charges to the red/negative, they can find out where you work, destroy your job or career, take pictures of you outside your house and display it in public, find out who you like and heckle that person, etc., etc., etc. Free-dom....of ....from....??

I'll let someone else be so bold as to speak their mind in this country. Free-dom, free dom, free.

Oh lord.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Oh lord.

exactly. exactly.

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
exactly. exactly.

He was just expressing his opinion on the character, just as you have the right to express your opinion of the character.

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
I learned that we don't have true freedom of speech. I will not comment about Roark or anyone, as this stuff tends to carry in ways that is really unnecessary. I was raised by parents who told all of us girls and boys that we had a right to speak our minds, to be opinioned and to argue (effectively). They made a huge mistake.

Sorry, I won't put myself out there anymore, just to find out someone wants to tear me down for my "thoughts".

Have the debate with someone who doesn't mind the lack of freedom and will end up on the attack later on, as the folks sneak and look at past posts to see how they can exercise their jealousy and envy, maybe b/c they would be upset b/c they never heard of Hoark, or A.R. or they maybe jealous of the person's ability to argue or express themselves or THINK, or the fact that the person enjoys reading, who knows why a person would get in the mood to go on the attack, and guess what, the internet isn't private, yeah, that's news. So, they can do all sorts of things to a person. IT's not private and there is no such thing as freedom in speech, not yet.

Sorry I can't debate with you about this topic, maybe someone else can be so bold.

And again, these folks can find out your bank account and make fraudulant charges to the red/negative, they can find out where you work, destroy your job or career, take pictures of you outside your house and display it in public, find out who you like and heckle that person, etc., etc., etc. Free-dom....of ....from....??

I'll let someone else be so bold as to speak their mind in this country. Free-dom, free dom, free.

wow, that was me being nice and trying to find some common ground of communication...

Originally posted by inimalist
wow, that was me being nice and trying to find some common ground of communication...

People don't have a right to speak in this country. And I know what happened to my bank account (someone made online fruadulant charged, reducing my account to negative, yup, it was that much, taking 10+ days to get any monies back), and I know what's been going on in my own life.

NO. I offer no opinion.

7 people died in DC in 4 days.

http://video.nbc4.com/player/?id=147741#videoid=147582 "A week like this week is disappointing".

There is NO freedom of speech, it's been taken away by reducing a person's bank account, reducing their ability to work, having their picture spread all over DC/MD/VA. People trying to hit my car. Lost of job/income. i suffered a lot for talking online, and I warn others not to.

You can speak if you want to, but use my life as an example, and I was a gov't employee and I am an Electrial Engineer, do NOT speak your mind here if you value your life, income, love life, privacy, bank account, ok? Matter of fact, try not to use your "freedom" to speak at all. b/c it's not for free. someone may make you pay.

We do not have freedom of speech YET.

Don't let people lure you into speaking your opinion on race, religion, or your ambitions in life, nothing, do NOT talk about yourself or your opinions, people who are not so nice will try to hurt your life and will be happy to see you reduced. Ok? Only among trusted friends/family, do not talk to these folks online, read what they say but not even offer any web site or even at work, DO not speak your mind. Even if the titles sound alluring, do not fall for it. DO NOT, PLEASE, out of the goodness of my heart, I don't want to see another person go thru the terror I've experienced, not even financially or socially or in your career or love life. Online, they can track your IP address, bank info, your job, where you live, etc. Gives someone a lot of power if they want to mess with you, esp. if they have friends in certain areas. Do not speak your mind, politically, socially about any race, do not speak your mind about anything, gay, women, black, white, cheese, butter, do not speak your mind, we do not have the freedom to speak yet.

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
People don't have a right to speak in this country. And I know what happened to my bank account (someone made online fruadulant charged, reducing my account to negative, yup, it was that much, taking 10+ days to get any monies back), and I know what's been going on in my own life.

What does freedom of speech, the opinion one has about a character in a book and fraud have to do with one another????

There is NO freedom of speech, it's been taken away by reducing a person's bank account, reducing their ability to work, having their picture spread all over DC/MD/VA. People trying to hit my car. Lost of job/income. i suffered a lot for talking online, and I warn others not to.

Ok, Time out. I am more lost then... well, ever. Unless you were giving your bank details out to people on forums you were talking on then I fail to see any connection. Technically identity theft, fraud and things like that happen all the time to people who don't talk online. I'm not sure how exactly you are connecting it all to "saying the wrong thing about something online".

And technically for someone who says they don't offer their opinion on line there are many threads with your forum name and opinions within about.

You can speak if you want to, but use my life as an example, and I [b]was a gov't employee and I am an Electrial Engineer, do NOT speak your mind here if you value your life, income, love life, privacy, bank account, ok? Matter of fact, try not to use your "freedom" to speak at all. b/c it's not for free. someone may make you pay.[/b]

Ummm...

We do not have freedom of speech YET.

Don't let people lure you into speaking your opinion on race, religion, or your ambitions in life, nothing, do NOT talk about yourself or your opinions, people who are not so nice will try to hurt your life and will be happy to see you reduced. Ok? Only among trusted friends/family, do not talk to these folks online, read what they say but not even offer any web site or even at work, DO not speak your mind. Even if the titles sound alluring, do not fall for it. DO NOT, PLEASE, out of the goodness of my heart, I don't want to see another person go thru the terror I've experienced, not even financially or socially or in your career or love life. Online, they can track your IP address, bank info, your job, where you live, etc. Gives someone a lot of power if they want to mess with you, esp. if they have friends in certain areas. Do not speak your mind, politically, socially about any race, do not speak your mind about anything, gay, women, black, white, cheese, butter, do not speak your mind, we do not have the freedom to speak yet.

We seem to have crossed the line into... The Conspiracy Zone.

I personally have been speaking my mind for some time on the internet, and maybe my security is just better, but I am yet to encounter the online Mafia.

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
I will not comment about Roark or anyone

That's because you didn't actually read The Fountainhead, innit?

Ive igored Braddock's words, not even reading some comments anymore, not worth it.

I forgot to add, rapers talk about black females and all females as if they are whores, bitches, etc. It's funny how Braddock said "but you don't like black men" as if that's something that doesn't happen in reverse, and I am not going to go and ask you to force him to change his/her ways, why do I need you to control another person? Who's master/slave? Not only that, the music caters to the working class whites/asians/hispanics of all types, esp. in colleges and is spread all over the world. and even if they clean up their style, it still is carved in the mind of people who listen to it b/c it's been promoted as alpha male for 20+ years in this country, most of our lives, esp. youth and has made it's way as "cool" in even upper class circles of television/movies.

What did I do? Well, since I am partial to the mystical aspect of things, I spoke of my dislike of the occult aspect of black culture as well as the methods used in resolving conflict and explained the word nig_ger as a character, and defined the characteristics.

Again, we don't have FREEdom of speech yet, depends on who's applying it or ignoring it, so I can allow someone else the right to speak without going after them or getting my friends to go after their banking, etc. As I would just say, it's their right to express themselves, even though I disagree.

Yet, this person decided to state that "she hates all black men", even if I did, which I don't, but if I did, things would've turn out very badly for any arbitrary black male that crossed my path by now, so apparently, I don't, and if a person talks about hating a culture, that's their opinion.

People like you Braddock do not understand Freedom. And no, I won't be reading your responses again, you're not worth it. If I don't want to be black, that's not up to men who enjoy spreading *****, whore, etc. to the entire world for 20 years, most of my lifetime.

Rapers have and probably still do talk about black females and ALL females (including white females) like they are all sluts, whores, stupid, not worth anything. And use nig_ger as if it's not a definable character. Rapers, and it's for anyone and is sported as the cool music to listen to for the past 20 years, including kids, listening to the word nig_ger and bitches and hos, and who are they talking about? WOMEN, mostly black women, but nonetheless WOMEN, and how did the daulity b/c something of respect b/t the ubber class and the cool ghetto-rappers who hate women, I don't know, something is wrong if that thing captures so many hearts for at least 20 years... to hear and repeat. So, please don't talk to me, ever, I won't even read it.

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
Ive igored Braddock's words, not even reading some comments anymore, not worth it.

I forgot to add, rapers talk about black females and all females as if they are whores, bitches, etc. It's funny how Braddock said "but you don't like black men" as if that's something that doesn't happen in reverse, not only that, the music caters to the working class whites and is spread all over the world.

You idiot. I know it goes the other way around too, and that's wrong.

To play Creshosk here, you are commiting the tu quoque fallacy.

Also you are stupid.

Ive igored Braddock's words, not even reading some comments anymore, not worth it.

Originally posted by C. C. Cowgirl
[b]"Why do some enjoy seeing others down/fall?"

I did not read the rest 😇

But THAT question has a psychological answer 🙂

Because by seeing that, people know there are people out there that has it as bad or worse than yourself 😛

It makes most individuals that find amusement in that feel like they are better than someone else ✅ [/B]

Exactly

i see his name, but i won't read his comment, it's probably negative.

again, rapers have been putting down black women and all women for 20+ years. and they are protected under freedom of speech. so, why was i attacked?

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
Ive igored Braddock's words, not even reading some comments anymore, not worth it.

I forgot to add, rapers talk about black females and all females as if they are whores, bitches, etc. It's funny how Braddock said "but you don't like black men" as if that's something that doesn't happen in reverse, and I am not going to go and ask you to FORCE some black guy to change his/her ways, why do I need you to control another person? Who's master/slave? That person should be persuaded within themselves, via reason, to think one way or change it to another.

Not only that, the music caters to the working class whites/asians/hispanics of all types, esp. in colleges and is spread all over the world. and even if they clean up their style, it still is carved in the mind of people who listen to it b/c it's been promoted as alpha male for 20+ years in this country, most of our lives, esp. youth and has made it's way as "cool" in even upper class circles of television/movies.

What did I do? Well, since I am partial to the mystical aspect of things, I spoke of my dislike of the occult aspect of black culture as well as the methods used in resolving conflict and explained the word nig_ger as a character, and defined the characteristics.

Again, we don't have FREEdom of speech yet, depends on who's applying it or ignoring it, so I can allow someone else the right to speak without going after them or getting my friends to go after their banking, etc. As I would just say, it's their right to express themselves, even though I disagree.

Yet, this person decided to state that "she hates all black men", even if I did, which I don't, but if I did, things would've turn out very badly for any arbitrary black male that crossed my path by now, so apparently, I don't, and if a person talks about hating a culture, that's their opinion.

People like you Braddock do not understand Freedom. And no, I won't be reading your responses again, you're not worth it. If I don't want to be black, that's not up to men who enjoy spreading *****, whore, etc. to the entire world for 20 years, most of my lifetime.

Rapers have and probably still do talk about black females and ALL females (including white females) like they are all sluts, whores, stupid, not worth anything. And use nig_ger as if it's not a definable character. Rapers, and it's for anyone and is sported as the cool music to listen to for the past 20 years, including kids, listening to the word nig_ger and bitches and hos, and who are they talking about? WOMEN, mostly black women, but nonetheless WOMEN, and how did the daulity b/c something of respect b/t the ubber class and the cool ghetto-rappers who hate women, I don't know, something is wrong if that thing captures so many hearts for at least 20 years... to hear and repeat. So, please don't talk to me, ever, I won't even read it.

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
People don't have a right to speak in this country. And I know what happened to my bank account (someone made online fruadulant charged, reducing my account to negative, yup, it was that much, taking 10+ days to get any monies back), and I know what's been going on in my own life.

NO. I offer no opinion.

7 people died in DC in 4 days.

http://video.nbc4.com/player/?id=147741#videoid=147582 "A week like this week is disappointing".

There is NOT a full level of freedom of speech, not yet, it's been taken away by reducing a person's bank account, reducing their ability to work, having their picture spread all over DC/MD/VA. People trying to hit my car. Lost of job/income. i suffered a lot for talking online, and I warn others not to.

You can speak if you want to, but use my life as an example, and I [b]was a gov't employee and I am an Electrial Engineer, do NOT speak your mind here if you value your life, income, love life, privacy, bank account, ok? Matter of fact, try not to use your "freedom" to speak at all. b/c it's not for free. someone may make you pay.

We do not have freedom of speech YET.

Don't let people lure you into speaking your opinion (talk only to close friends and certain family) on race, religion, or your ambitions in life, nothing, do NOT talk about yourself or your opinions, people who are not so nice will try to hurt your life and will be happy to see you reduced. Ok? Only among trusted friends/family, do not talk to these folks online, read what they say but not even offer any web site or even at work, DO not speak your mind. Even if the titles sound alluring, do not fall for it. DO NOT, PLEASE, out of the goodness of my heart, I don't want to see another person go thru the terror I've experienced, not even financially or socially or in your career or love life. Online, they can track your IP address, bank info, your job, where you live, etc. Gives someone a lot of power if they want to mess with you, esp. if they have friends in certain areas. Do not speak your mind, politically, socially about any race, do not speak your mind about anything, gay, women, black, white, cheese, butter, do not speak your mind, we do not have the freedom to speak yet. [/B]

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
i see his name

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
i see his name, but i won't read his comment, it's probably negative.

again, rapers have been putting down black women and all women for 20+ years. and they are protected under freedom of speech. so, why was i attacked?