Originally posted by Bardock42
N-no. We were discussing whether Europe should aid Africa. T-that was the topic.You know that, right?
Yes I was analysing your response to my analogy. Obvoulsy somebody should be punished for murder so somebody has to be held accountable. I inetepreted you saying that famlies should not be punished as you saying that not everybody should be held accountable but some people should.
So the stance is still the same Europe doesnt ahve to do **** all.
Originally posted by Alfheim
In some....algebra, algorithims, soap etc etc etc there are loads I just cant remember them all. Surgical instruments that people still use today based on islamic design etc etc...no sorry the influence was huge.Why do you keep using the ability to conquer other people as a mark of civilization?
My point is that one of the reasons why you think the Romans are so advanced isnt because they actually were but because they destoryed everybody else and that wasnt because they were advanced.
They were not organized.
Yea, some, like I said. Still doesn't take away that Europeans advanced beyond others quicker, mainly because of geography. Granted, I am not saying Europeans invented everything or were inherently smarter than others, but historical facts remain.
That is a huge aspect in the ancient world, now isn't. It's not like the Romans conquered and controlled because they ran around wildly with bone clubs, or do you think that? They also didn't destroy everybody, they subjugated people... destroying is counterproductive.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah so Egypt was adavnced as well. For the most part Northern Europeans were not that advanced as the Romans and Greeks but even then I think thats fabrication.Regardless of wether the Arabs got some stuff from the Greeks that still doesnt change the fact that the muslims expaned on it....and o Africa was part of the Islamic world as well you know.
You're right, the Greeks didn't give the world anything worthwhile, it's all just a lie.
You seem to forget that a lot of advances came before the 7th century. i.e. BEFORE Islam. Did Islam give us the wheel?
Originally posted by Alfheim
Yes I was analysing your response to my analogy. Obvoulsy somebody should be punished for murder so somebody has to be held accountable. I inetepreted you saying that famlies should not be punished as you saying that not everybody should be held accountable but some people should.So the stance is still the same Europe doesnt ahve to do **** all.
You agree?
Also, you should stop interpreting my stuff. You fail 10/10 it seems.
Originally posted by Robtard
Yea, some, like I said. Still doesn't take away that Europeans advanced beyond others quicker, mainly because of geography. Granted, I am not saying Europeans invented everything or were inherently smarter than others, but historical facts remain.
Ok I agree im just feeling abit cranky.
Originally posted by Robtard
That is a huge aspect in the ancient world, now isn't. It's not like the Romans conquered and controlled because they ran around wildly with bone clubs, or do you think that?
Well lets put it this way im pretty sure if the Celts were more oraganised and battle savvy they would have kicked Roman butt.
Originally posted by Robtard
They also didn't destroy everybody, they subjugated people... destroying is counterproductive.
Well lets put it this way. The Romans destroyed the Druids the Druids were highly educated the reason why we dont hear about how they were so educated is because they're all.....DEAD.
Originally posted by AlfheimYeah, but the druids killed the Meonos. The most advanced civilization in the world.
Ok I agree im just feeling abit cranky.Well lets put it this way im pretty sure if the Celts were more oraganised and battle savvy they would have kicked Roman butt.
Well lets put it this way. The Romans destroyed the Druids the Druids were highly educated the reason why we dont hear about how they were so educated is because they're all.....DEAD.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Ok I agree im just feeling abit cranky.Well lets put it this way im pretty sure if the Celts were more oraganised and battle savvy they would have kicked Roman butt.
Well lets put it this way. The Romans destroyed the Druids the Druids were highly educated the reason why we dont hear about how they were so educated is because they're all.....DEAD.
Crankiness is the least of your issues.
You mean if they had better or equal battle technology to the Romans, yeah, it's possible. Fact it, the reason the Celts advanced, was because Rome conquered them, by the time Rome pulled out, the Celts had integrated many aspects of Roman civilization into their own. One thing Rome did, was spread knowledge and technology (their own and others), while they were conquering, no?
The Romans didn't kill everyone, that is counter productive. They subjugated people, so they could exploit them. Killing everyone = no profit. So the Celts were highly educated and they were all killed, yet you know this how, if they were all killed?
Originally posted by Bardock42
You agree?
Nope. So despite the fact that you admit that Europe and America have done **** ed up stuff to Africa they shouldnt do anything.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Also, you should stop interpreting my stuff. You fail 10/10 it seems.
Well obvoulsy you agree indircetly that people should be held responsible for commiting murder iits not an illogical conclusion to make that I thought you were saying that some people should be held accountable for Africa.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Nope. So despite the fact that you admit that Europe and America have done **** ed up stuff to Africa they shouldnt do anything.
Are we talking about the governments? We have to specify what exactly your position is.Can you explain it to me like I was a 5 year old.
Originally posted by AlfheimYou do it again. I agree that people that do something wrong should be held accountable. You seem to think that Europe has to be punished for something though. I disagree with that.Well obvoulsy you agree indircetly that people should be held responsible for commiting murder iits not an illogical conclusion to make that I thought you were saying that some people should be held accountable for Africa.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Are we talking about the governments?
Yes.
Originally posted by Bardock42
We have to specify what exactly your position is.Can you explain it to me like I was a 5 year old.
Well for example the third world debt one of the reasons why Africa has the third world debt is because of colonisation. No body asked to be colonised and also as Robtard was saying dirty politics.
Originally posted by Bardock42
You do it again. I agree that people that do something wrong should be held accountable. You seem to think that Europe has to be punished for something though. I disagree with that.
Yes but you admitted that they did bad stuff whats the problem? You do bad stuff you should be held accountable and you acknoweledged this in one of your posts.
Originally posted by AlfheimW-what? The euprope doing nothing part is good, but the rest seems like a bunch of bullshit.
Yes I was analysing your response to my analogy. Obvoulsy somebody should be punished for murder so somebody has to be held accountable. I inetepreted you saying that famlies should not be punished as you saying that not everybody should be held accountable but some people should.So the stance is still the same Europe doesnt ahve to do **** all.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Elaborate please.because the Romans won.
This would be an example, you ignore the important points... Of my whole response, you ignore the valid questions I pose, yet ask me to "elaborate" on trivial shit.
Yes, they won... I asked you how you personally know that the Celts were so educated, if as you say, no one knows they were because the Romans killed them all. Doesn't equate.
Originally posted by Robtard
This would be an example, you ignore the important points... Of my whole response, you ignore the valid questions I pose, yet ask me to "elaborate" on trivial shit.
Yes thats one example im feeling a bit tired and sick ok, apart from that I think answered your other post properly didnt I?
Originally posted by RobtardYou mean if they had better or equal battle technology to the Romans, yeah, it's possible. Fact it, the reason the Celts advanced, was because Rome conquered them, by the time Rome pulled out, the Celts had integrated many aspects of Roman civilization into their own. One thing Rome did, was spread knowledge and technology (their own and others), while they were conquering, no?
I dunno this seems blown out of proportion before the celts were conquered they were the main road builders.
Originally posted by Robtard
Yes, they won... I asked you how you personally know that the Celts were so educated, if as you say, no one knows they were because the Romans killed them all. Doesn't equate.
There are records that state that they were educated but my point is that if they were not wiped out we would have known even more.
Originally posted by Devil King
Wait. Are you saying that Europe is responsible for Africa being a predominantly 3rd world continent?
Nope. Im saying they Europe has some responsibility
Originally posted by Devil King
A hell of a lot of the issues in Africa come from African dictators. What does Europe have to do with that?
Yeah I know.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Yes thats one example im feeling a bit tired and sick ok, apart from that I think answered your other post properly didnt I?There are records that state that they were educated but my point is that if they were not wiped out we would have known even more.
No, you ignored several.
They weren't wiped out.
Anyhow, forget responding anymore about this, I don't really care if you think Islam did everything... the topic is Africa of today.
Originally posted by Robtard
No, you ignored several.
Show me.
Originally posted by Robtard
They weren't wiped out.
Actually I think you are right but they were not as powerful as they used to be due to the Romans.
Originally posted by Robtard
Anyhow, forget responding anymore about this, I don't really care if you think Islam did everything... the topic is Africa of today.
Well actually I dont I think they made a major contribution...and to be afir every civilization has there high points, for example they did get some stuff from the greeks.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, but the druids killed the Meonos. The most advanced civilization in the world.
I dindt see that. Dont see what that proves really, just that the Druids could be just as bad..didnt know that.