Let's solve the AIDs pandemic in Africa

Originally posted by Alfheim
What do you mean well on there way? They werent any more advanced than another civilizations the fcat of the matter is if it wanst for Islam Europe would not have been as advanced.

Its even been said that the Renassance would not have happened if it wasnt for Islamic civilization so I dont know what you're talking about.

Are you nuts? Look at the Romans, in 50 B.C. they had the technological edge over everyone else and kept it for centuries. It's the reason they conquered and controlled most of Europe and parts of Northern Africa. Their sword, came from Spain, their strict battle formations were adapted from the Greeks. Some nation got out of line, didn't feel like paying tribute to Rome, the Legions went in and killed.

That was 14-17th century, by then Europeans had the technological edge over others, maybe on in every field, but enough... it's the reason why they conquered, or do you think it was just luck?

Originally posted by Alfheim
What do you mean well on there way? They werent any more advanced than another civilizations the fcat of the matter is if it wanst for Islam Europe would not have been as advanced.

Its even been said that the Renassance would not have happened if it wasnt for Islamic civilization so I dont know what you're talking about.

we do all realize there's a difference between Islamic and Arabic, right?

Originally posted by Alfheim
What do you mean well on there way? They werent any more advanced than another civilizations the fcat of the matter is if it wanst for Islam Europe would not have been as advanced.

Its even been said that the Renassance would not have happened if it wasnt for Islamic civilization so I dont know what you're talking about.

So? The "if it weren't for" game can be played very, very far back. Your point is void as it does not relate to the point at hand. You bring up the bad stuff Europe has done, so the good stuff is important, how they were able to do the good stuff is totally unimportant.

Originally posted by parenthesis
Unless they work for us and give us diamonds. hmm

Originally posted by Bardock42
That's not help, that's capitalistic exchange...though, I am sure it is taken advantage of in one way or another.

Originally posted by Robtard
Teuton, you just said you agreed with yourself.

I tend to do that.

Originally posted by Alfheim
I didnt say this post. Yes they need to make the first steps but what America and Europe are doing arent makint it easier are they? Yes and Bardock does seem to be implying that Africans are stupid because he implied that Europeans built up Africa and made life better for us.

Africans need to stop killing each other but selling weapons to them isnt exactly going to help is it?

You just put a new edge to ridiculous and illogical conclusions.

Originally posted by parenthesis
You could look at it that way, but I would rather help them as payment, than not help them at all.

Call it what you will, I am all in favor of fair exchange. They give you something you give them something. Is quite an orgasmic idea on the whole.

Originally posted by Robtard
Are you nuts? Look at the Romans, in 50 B.C. they had the technological edge over everyone else and kept it for centuries. It's the reason they conquered and controlled most of Europe and parts of Northern Africa. Their sword, came from Spain, their strict battle formations were adapted from the Greeks. Some nation got out of line, didn't feel like paying tribute to Rome, the Legions went in and killed.

That was 14-17th century, by then Europeans had the technological edge over others, maybe on in every field, but enough... it's the reason why they conquered, or do you think it was just luck?

What you mean to tell me you didnt know that the Islamic world was more advanced than Europe??????? I dont see what the Romans have to do with anything. The reason why the Romans conquered people is because they were more ruthless and organised. Hell Ceaser didnt conquer Gaul because of tech.

The whole bloody reason why people go on about the Romans ie because they bloody re-wrote history.

Originally posted by Bardock42
So? The "if it weren't for" game can be played very, very far back. Your point is void as it does not relate to the point at hand. You bring up the bad stuff Europe has done, so the good stuff is important,

So the bad stuff isnt important?

Originally posted by Bardock42

You just put a new edge to ridiculous and illogical conclusions.

Explain.

Originally posted by Alfheim
So the bad stuff isnt important?

Explain.

No need to explain. You just did it again.

Originally posted by Alfheim
What you mean to tell me you didnt know that the Islamic world was more advanced than Europe??????? I dont see what the Romans have to do with anything. The reason why the Romans conquered people is because they were more ruthless and organised. Hell Ceaser didnt conquer Gaul because of tech.

The whole bloody reason why people go on about the Romans ie because they bloody re-wrote history.

In some aspects yes, but when it comes down to it, why didn't they conquer and keep control if they were "more advanced"? Sure, there were relatively shorts periods they did, like the Moors in Spain, but those weren't long lived.

Well, the Romans were Europeans, right? Yes, they were ruthless and they were organized, they also had the tech, which they borrowed and improved from many others in some some cases, as noted.

So, if the "Islamic world was more advanced", why didn't they conquer, it's not like they didn't want to, they had a religious call (Jihad) to do so, that is to conquer and spread Islam.

Originally posted by Bardock42
No need to explain. You just did it again.

I did what again? I want to know why you keep ignoring all the bad stuff?

Originally posted by Alfheim
I did what again? I want to know why you keep ignoring all the bad stuff?

I am not. I acknowledge that there is "bad" stuff. I am adding to the conversation that there could be "good" stuff too. And I am explaining my opinion that even though there are "bad" things, it's not my responsibility to do anything about it.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I tend to do that.

You just put a new edge to ridiculous and illogical conclusions.

Originally posted by lord xyz
You called her fundamentalist.

Originally posted by Robtard
In some aspects yes,

In some....algebra, algorithims, soap etc etc etc there are loads I just cant remember them all. Surgical instruments that people still use today based on islamic design etc etc...no sorry the influence was huge.

Originally posted by Robtard

but when it comes down to it, why didn't they conquer and keep control if they were "more advanced"? Sure, there were relatively shorts periods they did, like the Moors in Spain, but those weren't long lived.

Why do you keep using the ability to conquer other people as a mark of civilization?

Originally posted by Robtard

Well, the Romans were Europeans, right? Yes, they were ruthless and they were organized, they also had the tech, which they borrowed and improved from many others in some some cases, as noted.

My point is that one of the reasons why you think the Romans are so advanced isnt because they actually were but because they destoryed everybody else and that wasnt because they were advanced.

Originally posted by Robtard

So, if the "Islamic world was more advanced", why didn't they conquer, it's not like they didn't want to, they had a religious call (Jihad) to do so, that is conquer and spread Islam.

They were not organized.

Originally posted by Bardock42
You replied to my stuff with a ridiculous and illogical conclusion.

I am not. I acknowledge that there is "bad" stuff. I am adding to the conversation that there could be "good" stuff too. And I am explaining my opinion that even though there are "bad" things, it's not my responsibility to do anything about it.

Yes but if they have done bad stuff people need to be held accountable for it. Do you get let off murder because you give to charity, you are ebing illogical.

Ancient Greece was really ****ing advanced (and many say one of the reasons why the Arabs were so advanced and why the Reneissance in Europe only started so late (the Philosophers being disregarded by the church except for Plato)) ... and...they were Europeans.

Originally posted by Alfheim

Yes but if they have done bad stuff people need to be held accountable for it. Do you get let off murder because you give to charity, you are ebing illogical.

You are in no position to claim that anyone is being illogical.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Ancient Greece was really ****ing advanced (and many say one of the reasons why the Arabs were so advanced and why the Reneissance in Europe only started so late (the Philosophers being disregarded by the church except for Plato)) ... and...they were Europeans.

Yeah so Egypt was adavnced as well. For the most part Northern Europeans were not that advanced as the Romans and Greeks but even then I think thats fabrication.

Regardless of wether the Arabs got some stuff from the Greeks that still doesnt change the fact that the muslims expaned on it....and o Africa was part of the Islamic world as well you know.

Originally posted by Bardock42

Yeah, but do you punishe the family, the friends, the neighbours, etc of a murderer?

No but somebody has to be punished dont they? Hey wait wait did you think I was saying that YOU have to help Africa?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Call it what you will, I am all in favor of fair exchange. They give you something you give them something. Is quite an orgasmic idea on the whole.