Levels of Omnipotence

Originally posted by darthgoober
But the stipulation isn't that he chooses to lift it, it's that he's unable to lift it without a limitation(that got lost somewhere along the way).

Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
If he couldn't limit himself, how could you say he's omnipotent when there's he cannot do something I.E. limit himself. He has to be able to do anything to be omnipotent, and that includes being able to limit himself.

Originally posted by darthgoober
But the stipulation isn't that he chooses to lift it, it's that he's unable to lift it without a limitation(that got lost somewhere along the way).

I know the stipulation and I repeat:

Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
If he can't chose wether he can lift it or not, then he's not omnipotent.

Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
I know the stipulation and I repeat:

Originally posted by darthgoober
I don't think you get what I'm saying, I'm saying that if he's already made the choice to create a boulder so heavy that he can't lift it himself without limiting his power, can he do it?

Yes.

Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
Yes.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Then there's a limit to his power because he's unable to lift the boulder.

Yes, as in he can lift the boulder.

Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
Yes, as in he can lift the boulder.

If you're going to debate the whole omnipotence paradox, the only way for a being to be truly omnipotent is to be supralogical, so they could create a rock too heavy to lift and then lift it anyway, because they defy logic. But if they can defy logic, that makes debating or discussing them completely impossible and pointless in the first place.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Then he can't create the boulder that's to heavy for him to lift while at full power.

Yeah, he can because he can do anything. 🙂

Originally posted by Endless Mike
If you're going to debate the whole omnipotence paradox, the only way for a being to be truly omnipotent is to be supralogical, so they could create a rock too heavy to lift and then lift it anyway, because they defy logic. But if they can defy logic, that makes debating or discussing them completely impossible and pointless in the first place.

Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
Yeah, he can because he can do anything. 🙂

Originally posted by darthgoober
Exactly. High level cosmics transcend logic and therefor we just have to accept the fact that there are levels of omnipotence.

No, we don't, because there is no such thing as levels of omnipotence. You either are or you ar enot.

Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
No, we don't, because there is no such thing as levels of omnipotence. You either are or you ar enot.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Do you honestly not see the massive hole in your reasoning?

Compared to yours, your trying to make people swallow the whole level of omnipotence jargon. How can there be a level of being able to do anything?

Originally posted by darthgoober
There may not be in the real world, but it's an established fact in comics.

And, like I said, comics make no sense not supposed to.

Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
Compared to yours, your trying to make people swallow the whole level of omnipotence jargon. How can there be a level of being able to do anything?

Originally posted by darthgoober
Because it's written that way.

Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
And, like I said, comics make no sense not supposed to.

Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
And, like I said, comics make no sense not supposed to.

Originally posted by darthgoober
They don't have to for us to debate them. They establish the rules that their characters operate under, and we discuss them within that framework.

I know that. . .but, realistically when it comes to omnipotent character vs omnipotent character there should be no winner.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I never said it made sense, I just said that it IS that way.

I never accused you of saying that.