Levels of Omnipotence

Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
I know that. . .but, realistically when it comes to omnipotent character vs omnipotent character there should be no winner.

I never accused you of saying that.

Originally posted by darthgoober
But we don't debate based on realism, otherwise every uppercut from a class 100 character would send the recipient into orbit.

Which is why I see physics being brought into debates?

The point is that once you accept supralogical beings, further debate is impossible, since debate is based on logic.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
The point is that once you accept supralogical beings, further debate is impossible, since debate is based on logic.

Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
Which is why I see physics being brought into debates?

Originally posted by darthgoober
It's not impossible. It WOULD be impossible if the companies didn't establish a framework with which we can debate omnipotent vs omnipotent, but luckily enough they've given us everything we need to do just that.

What frame work, on panel feats? 😕

Originally posted by darthgoober
I never said that everyone debates correctly...

So, physics should have no place in debates?

But if a being doesn't have to follow logic, then anything could mean anything. You could make any argument, or say literally anything you want about them, and it would be just as valid as anything else.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
But if a being doesn't have to follow logic, then anything could mean anything. You could make any argument, or say literally anything you want about them, and it would be just as valid as anything else.

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Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
What frame work, on panel feats? 😕

So, physics should have no place in debates?

Originally posted by Endless Mike
But if a being doesn't have to follow logic, then anything could mean anything. You could make any argument, or say literally anything you want about them, and it would be just as valid as anything else.

Galan is hardly a fan of the concept concerning the "levels of omnipotence" but he still acknowledges that system to be in effect and debates within that framework.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Yeah if you wanted to be dense and ignore what's been established by the company. But fortunately enough most people see the sense in just going along with what the companies established.

Said companies are notorious for random retcons and just plain inconsistency's. Why do you think PIS even exsist?

Originally posted by darthgoober
Yes, and also acknowledgment by "lesser" omnipotent beings.

I disagree, because that makes no sense.

Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
Said companies are notorious for random retcons and just plain inconsistency's. Why do you think PIS even exsist?

Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
I disagree, because that makes no sense.

Okay, let me explain this.

Trying to make an argument with a supralogical being would create something like this:

Statement 1: The One Above All is above logic
Statement 2: The One Above All is a transexual martian spider-monkey with sickle - cell anemia.

If statement 1 is true, then statement 2 is a perfectly valid argument, and there's absolutely no way to disprove it, since attempting to do so would be invoking logic, which TOAA is immune to.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Galan is hardly a fan of the concept concerning the "levels of omnipotence" but he still acknowledges that system to be in effect and debates within that framework.

I only accept it, because it's an established Marvel fact.

But the idea of one "omnipotent" character being more powerful then another "omnipotent" character, is utterly ridiculous. [I'm pretty sure everyone agrees with that much at least].

Even in comics, there should only be one "truly" omnipotent character, [ie. God/TOAA]..

But Marvel's established that everyone from the Cube Beings up to TOAA itself, are omnipotent. ( 🙄 )

Meh,

It is what it is..... Nothing more.

Well the word omnipotent can also be used to simply mean "extremely powerful" instead of "all - powerful".

Originally posted by darthgoober
And we work around those inconsistencies as best we can, but that doesn't mean that we ignore the basic character make up that's been established. Saying that Spiderman beating Firelord is BS because he doesn't normally demonstrate that level of power is far different than saying that Marvel doesn't have the right to create a being more powerful than Firelord in the first place, which is what you're doing when you say that one omnipotent being can't be greater than another.

Where did I say that marvel, does not have the right to create such n' such character? Marvel can do whatever they want, but the prospoect of levels of omnipotence is utterly retarded concept. I really do not care if marvel does it.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Okay, let me explain this.

Trying to make an argument with a supralogical being would create something like this:

Statement 1: The One Above All is above logic
Statement 2: The One Above All is a transexual martian spider-monkey with sickle - cell anemia.

If statement 1 is true, then statement 2 is a perfectly valid argument, and there's absolutely no way to disprove it, since attempting to do so would be invoking logic, which TOAA is immune to.

Originally posted by Galan007
Meh,

It is what it is..... Nothing more.

Originally posted by darthgoober

And someone lifting a building doesn't really make sense either because the building should collapse in upon itself, but that doesn't mean that we disregard the feat. In both instances, you're putting one of the laws of reality on the back burner in favor of what's been established on panel, it's just a matter of which law of the universe you're choosing to ignore.

That's nice, but I don't debate like that. I take on-panel eveidence and mix it with commen sense. Alot of thing have happened on panel, including things that defy what the creators have stated. I've seen Wendigo get K.o'ed by snowbird in the shape of a wolverine, after he's taken puches from Hulk and attacks from wolverine without even staggering. If I'm worng for using logic, then why not argue anyway you want? People should make arguments like: Spider Man can beat eternity, because it's a comic.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Well the word omnipotent can also be used to simply mean "extremely powerful" instead of "all - powerful".

But by the actual meaning of the word, there is no power above omnipotence.