Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I have to go to bed now, can't wait to see that Universal level Juggernaut durability feat that you mentioned.
Remember I'm smart. You can't con me away from the outcome of the fight.
Originally posted by h1a8
I didn't mention a feat. 😕
And what does that have to do with the outcome of this fight?Remember I'm smart. You can't con me away from the outcome of the fight.
So these comments were based on absolutely nothing at all?
Originally posted by h1a8
And classic Juggs is completely invulnerable, nothing physical under universal level can harm him.
Originally posted by h1a8
My view is Juggs is absolutely indestructible to all physical forces below universal level.
For someone who bemoans on panel feats and is so anal about the smallest detail, I find it pretty amusing. You made a claim relevant to the fight, either support it or concede that it was incorrect/baseless/made-up whatever.
What's your definition of smart?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
So these comments were based on absolutely nothing at all?For someone who bemoans on panel feats and is so anal about the smallest detail, I find it pretty amusing. You made a claim relevant to the fight, either support it or concede that it was incorrect/baseless/made-up whatever.
What's your definition of smart?
My definition of smart is I don't get easily distracted from the main point that matters, which is Juggs can't lose here.
Originally posted by h1a8
Those comments were based off feats, logic, and other things. I'll bite though. You know what Thor can do with his mightiest slams and Godblast (think of all his best feats). And if Juggs can't even be tickled by those same attacks then we can conclude that my statements have some weight for opinion.My definition of smart is I don't get easily distracted from the main point that matters, which is Juggs can't lose here.
Lets put it this way, Thor couldn't putt he Odin Sword back into the sheath with all his might and Thor is consider the strongest Asgardian, Odin effortlessly putt he Odin sword back in place after battle, that alone shows that Odin is physical more powerful than Thor period.
Odin when he fights beings on his level like Sutur, Seth, Enchanter they are punches, energy energy blast etc, their blows a side affects cause planets to blow up, suns to go supernova and reigniting dead suns through out the whole universe and reality, like what Odin did against enchater, what makes you think Juggernaut could survive a beating like that? Juggernaut got f**ked up by Onslaught who only used the combine power of Xavier and MAgneto, and Juggernaut got one shot by TK and Odin is more powerful than this version of Onslaught who was at best mid or high trans.
Just recently Captain Universe beat Juggernaut down like a liitle b***h shield and all, and his powers range from low hearld to high trans or may be sky-father level. And Odin has better feats than Captain Universe.
Your ignorance is out right ridiculous, you don't read comics you get your info from respect threads instead of reading comics in context, just do everybody on here a favor read some comics, get educated on characters and back up your opinion with comics actual feats that where stated in comics, not in your feasible mind.
Originally posted by the Darkone👆
Lets put it this way, Thor couldn't putt he Odin Sword back into the sheath with all his might and Thor is consider the strongest Asgardian, Odin effortlessly putt he Odin sword back in place after battle, that alone shows that Odin is physical more powerful than Thor period.Odin when he fights beings on his level like Sutur, Seth, Enchanter they are punches, energy energy blast etc, their blows a side affects cause planets to blow up, suns to go supernova and reigniting dead suns through out the whole universe and reality, like what Odin did against enchater, what makes you think Juggernaut could survive a beating like that? Juggernaut got f**ked up by Onslaught who only used the combine power of Xavier and MAgneto, and Juggernaut got one shot by TK and Odin is more powerful than this version of Onslaught who was at best mid or high trans.
Just recently Captain Universe beat Juggernaut down like a liitle b***h shield and all, and his powers range from low hearld to high trans or may be sky-father level. And Odin has better feats than Captain Universe.
Your ignorance is out right ridiculous, you don't read comics you get your info from respect threads instead of reading comics in context, just do everybody on here a favor read some comics, get educated on characters and back up your opinion with comics actual feats that where stated in comics, not in your feasible mind.
Originally posted by the DarkoneI've been wondering about a lot of those showings for Cain.
Lets put it this way, Thor couldn't putt he Odin Sword back into the sheath with all his might and Thor is consider the strongest Asgardian, Odin effortlessly putt he Odin sword back in place after battle, that alone shows that Odin is physical more powerful than Thor period.Odin when he fights beings on his level like Sutur, Seth, Enchanter they are punches, energy energy blast etc, their blows a side affects cause planets to blow up, suns to go supernova and reigniting dead suns through out the whole universe and reality, like what Odin did against enchater, what makes you think Juggernaut could survive a beating like that? Juggernaut got f**ked up by Onslaught who only used the combine power of Xavier and MAgneto, and Juggernaut got one shot by TK and Odin is more powerful than this version of Onslaught who was at best mid or high trans.
Just recently Captain Universe beat Juggernaut down like a liitle b***h shield and all, and his powers range from low hearld to high trans or may be sky-father level. And Odin has better feats than Captain Universe.
Your ignorance is out right ridiculous, you don't read comics you get your info from respect threads instead of reading comics in context, just do everybody on here a favor read some comics, get educated on characters and back up your opinion with comics actual feats that where stated in comics, not in your feasible mind.
I think it was weird that Captain Universe was able to beat him black and blue but the second time Cain was holding his own and looking like he was winning. He definitely wasn't taking any visible damage.
I'm starting to feel and this based off of recent observations about Colossanaut. That a Juggernaut can walk around without being at full power. That in order to be as strong as he normally is he has to completely give himself to Cyttorak and/or Focus. Which makes sense why he can have such inconsistent showings against different people.
Originally posted by the Darkone
Lets put it this way, Thor couldn't putt he Odin Sword back into the sheath with all his might and Thor is consider the strongest Asgardian, Odin effortlessly putt he Odin sword back in place after battle, that alone shows that Odin is physical more powerful than Thor period.Odin when he fights beings on his level like Sutur, Seth, Enchanter they are punches, energy energy blast etc, their blows a side affects cause planets to blow up, suns to go supernova and reigniting dead suns through out the whole universe and reality, like what Odin did against enchater, what makes you think Juggernaut could survive a beating like that? Juggernaut got f**ked up by Onslaught who only used the combine power of Xavier and MAgneto, and Juggernaut got one shot by TK and Odin is more powerful than this version of Onslaught who was at best mid or high trans.
Just recently Captain Universe beat Juggernaut down like a liitle b***h shield and all, and his powers range from low hearld to high trans or may be sky-father level. And Odin has better feats than Captain Universe.
Your ignorance is out right ridiculous, you don't read comics you get your info from respect threads instead of reading comics in context, just do everybody on here a favor read some comics, get educated on characters and back up your opinion with comics actual feats that where stated in comics, not in your feasible mind.
Pretty much.
Originally posted by Newjak
I've been wondering about a lot of those showings for Cain.I think it was weird that Captain Universe was able to beat him black and blue but the second time Cain was holding his own and looking like he was winning. He definitely was taking any damage.
I'm starting to feel and this based off of recent observations about Colossanaut. That a Juggernaut can walk around without being at full power. That in order to be as strong as he normally is he has to completely give himself to Cyttorak and/or Focus. Which makes sense why he can have such inconsistent showings against different people.
Juggernaut wasn't at full power. Cytorrak told Jugs that in order to gain access to his unlimited strength and durability, he would have to stop playing the hero and during WWH, that's exactly what he did but after this, he resorted back to his good ways which led Cytorrak to take some of his power away from Marko. In order for Marko to be back at his classic levels, he would need to be the destructive force he use to be in the past and.seeing as he has done a complete 360...found people he truly care about...that will never happen. So yes, he was depowered during his fight against Captain Universe.
Originally posted by carver9Then why are you trying to use it as an example of why Juggernaut can be hurt if you agree he was depowered at the time????
Juggernaut wasn't at full power. Cytorrak told Jugs that in order to gain access to his unlimited strength and durability, he would have to stop playing the hero and during WWH, that's exactly what he did but after this, he resorted back to his good ways which led Cytorrak to take some of his power away from Marko. In order for Marko to be back at his classic levels, he would need to be the destructive force he use to be in the past and.seeing as he has done a complete 360...found people he truly care about...that will never happen. So yes, he was depowered during his fight against Captain Universe.
I'm also pointing to the fact that Colossanaut even though he looks Juggered up all the time still isn't pulling the full power and has to summon the power.
This goes into my long time theory that the Juggernaut power can be dependent on the User's level of Focus.
Originally posted by the DarkoneThor lifted and threw the Odin Sword with great force. But you must keep up. I said, Odin was stronger than Thor but not by a vast amount.
Lets put it this way, Thor couldn't putt he Odin Sword back into the sheath with all his might and Thor is consider the strongest Asgardian, Odin effortlessly putt he Odin sword back in place after battle, that alone shows that Odin is physical more powerful than Thor period.
False, Odin never punched and had planets blow up etc. as a side effect. The scan shows Odin blasting when it states the key word "Resemble". Juggs can not only survive a beating like the enchanter's had but he won't even be tickled by such a thing. I'll summarize the point in the end for you.Odin when he fights beings on his level like Sutur, Seth, Enchanter they are punches, energy energy blast etc, their blows a side affects cause planets to blow up, suns to go supernova and reigniting dead suns through out the whole universe and reality, like what Odin did against enchater, what makes you think Juggernaut could survive a beating like that? Juggernaut got f**ked up by Onslaught who only used the combine power of Xavier and MAgneto, and Juggernaut got one shot by TK and Odin is more powerful than this version of Onslaught who was at best mid or high trans.
Low balling. Juggs didn't even feel a Godblast or Thor's mightiest slam.Just recently Captain Universe beat Juggernaut down like a liitle b***h shield and all, and his powers range from low hearld to high trans or may be sky-father level. And Odin has better feats than Captain Universe.
Your ignorance is out right ridiculous, you don't read comics you get your info from respect threads instead of reading comics in context, just do everybody on here a favor read some comics, get educated on characters and back up your opinion with comics actual feats that where stated in comics, not in your feasible mind.
You must defeat this point:
Assuming Juggs can be hurt then it must be from blows 20x or more greater than Thor's mightiest slam. Odin can not punch with the force of 20x or more of Thor's mightiest slam since he's never shown such strength. Thus Odin can't harm Juggs at all.
Originally posted by Newjak
Then why are you trying to use it as an example of why Juggernaut can be hurt if you agree he was depowered at the time????I'm also pointing to the fact that Colossanaut even though he looks Juggered up all the time still isn't pulling the full power and has to summon the power.
This goes into my long time theory that the Juggernaut power can be dependent on the User's level of Focus.
I never agreed with that...I agreed with his thought about H1. It's pretty much clear Colossonaut isn't pulling on the full power of Juggernaut...Colossus isn't using Cytorrak power like Cytorrak wants his destructive power to be used. I think Colossus has access to a small portion of that power because he is playing the good guy right now.
Originally posted by h1a8
Thor lifted and threw the Odin Sword with great force. But you must keep up. I said, Odin was stronger than Thor but not by a vast amount. False, Odin never punched and had planets blow up etc. as a side effect. The scan shows Odin blasting when it states the key word "Resemble". Juggs can not only survive a beating like the enchanter's had but he won't even be tickled by such a thing. I'll summarize the point in the end for you. Low balling. Juggs didn't even feel a Godblast or Thor's mightiest slam.You must defeat this point:
Assuming Juggs can be hurt then it must be from blows 20x or more greater than Thor's mightiest slam. Odin can not punch with the force of 20x or more of Thor's mightiest slam since he's never shown such strength. Thus Odin can't harm Juggs at all.
I think you purposely try to make people mad. Twenty Times H1?
Originally posted by carver9If you look at Jugg's history it makes sense.
I never agreed with that...I agreed with his thought about H1. It's pretty much clear Colossonaut isn't pulling on the full power of Juggernaut...Colossus isn't using Cytorrak power like Cytorrak wants his destructive power to be used. I think Colossus has access to a small portion of that power because he is playing the good guy right now.
The more you focus on the power the less human you tend to become. Cain was always one to want to keep his humanity.
It makes sense that Cain wasn't always in unstoppable mode a lot like Colossus is now.
As Cyttorak said during WWH the only thing keeping Cain from getting the power was his willingness to use it.
Originally posted by Newjak
If you look at Jugg's history it makes sense.The more you focus on the power the less human you tend to become. Cain was always one to want to keep his humanity.
It makes sense that Cain wasn't always in unstoppable mode a lot like Colossus is now.
As Cyttorak said during WWH the only thing keeping Cain from getting the power was his willingness to use it.
Pretty much. The only thing we have to figure out now is "when Juggernaut or Colossonaut" is at full power. We can't throw everything that happens to either as them not being at full power...we need to find a middle ground. I honestly don't believe we will ever see Classic Juggernaut again.
Originally posted by carver9
I think you purposely try to make people mad. Twenty Times H1?
If you can barely feel an physical blunt attack then common sense suggests than it would take 20x or more force just to be injured.
I can barely feel a 2lb weight if it lied on me so it would take 40lb or more (20x or more) for me to be injured.
Originally posted by carver9I would say it explains gaps in power fairly well where the character can go from not even flinching against an attack to screaming pain against a similar style attack.
Pretty much. The only thing we have to figure out now is "when Juggernaut or Colossonaut" is at full power. We can't throw everything that happens to either as them not being at full power...we need to find a middle ground. I honestly don't believe we will ever see Classic Juggernaut again.
I've always felt Cain's powers had a dynamic mental capacity to them a lot like the Hulk and his anger.
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Originally posted by janus77
Yes blasts count.Let me put it another way, NO MAGIC CANCELLATION and NO MIND ****ING.
Odin is free to beat up on Juggernaut any way and how, so long as it's not cancelling out Juggernaut's powers or trying to mind manipulate him.
Comment made by the OP.
Really, that should end this farce of a thread. It's spite against Juggernaut and any sane poster who reads comics - or even just skims respect threads - will come to the same conclusion. Cain gets merced.