Kain(LOK) vs. Pyron(DS)

does he transmute all his enemies into rocks?, can he transmute anyone he comes up against into a rock..he must be able to pwn Galactus then, also id like to see this myself if it is possible, can he turn beings into anything he likes instantly, has near instant reaction and is unaffected by time and space, some feets proof would be nice 😄

also whats his range, could he do it across the universe..diffrent dimensions range? also it says he only manipulates elements, kains whole body would not be made up of elements....also Kain is shown to be immune to this since Anacrothe in Blood omen is unable to do this to him at kains weakest form

Originally posted by Burning thought
does he transmute all his enemies into rocks?, can he transmute anyone he comes up against into a rock..he must be able to pwn Galactus then, also id like to see this myself if it is possible, can he turn beings into anything he likes instantly, has near instant reaction and is unaffected by time and space, some feets [B] proof would be nice 😄

also whats his range, could he do it across the universe..diffrent dimensions range? also it says he only manipulates elements, kains whole body would not be made up of elements....also Kain is shown to be immune to this since Anacrothe in Blood omen is unable to do this to him at kains weakest form [/B]

Originally posted by Estacado
Do you enjoy talking so much bullshit?
How could he turn Galactus into a rock he only has 1% of Galan's power?Off course he can transmutate anyone who is below him in power also he could just rearange Kain's molecules SS controll over time and space himself....also What the hell are you talking about again?Kain's dimension power stops at teleporting....SS beats him because he is more powerful(he can easily destroy planets) also a lot faster.

erm no it doesnt stop at teleporting, he has the emblem of dimension from the pillars...the dimension guardian who the emblem has more power than could rip beings from dimensions, move through dimensions as well...beyond silver surfer..silver surfer as far as ime aware cannot rip other beings from other dimensions but ime not a marvel Maniac..

so your automatically assuming kain has less power than silver surfer? according to what....their from completly diffrent universes, kain can do a lot of feets and things Surfer cannot, he just doesnt bust planets..also ime interested in seeing SS power over time and space, i know he can time travel..anything else..

teleporting is another of kains abilities diffrent from dimensioning, also power is not measured only in destroying planets, you fail in that and a lot faster according to what? it seems he can dimension just like kain can..or have you proof he can dimension faster?

Poor Kain.
Pyron kills him and all of Nosgoth with ease.
Kain's power is only planetary.

nah, because you obviously have zero knowledge on LOK, so dont try, pyron gets soul raped, but theres a more interesting fight somewhere else in this forum with more than just Pyron, why did you resurrect this tho to talk senselessness?

nah, because you obviously have zero knowledge on LOK, so dont try

More than likely I know more about it than you.

pyron gets soul raped,

Who says he even HAS a soul?

Besides, Kain can't swing the Soul Reaver before he's eaten.

As for other topics, do you mean this one?

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=464704&highlight=title%3A%28Pyron+Kain%29

It's guaranteed to kill brain cells and take away hours of your life you'll never get back.

wtf? you shouldnt go on forums like this, although most of the debators are all gone, you probably make even the least of skilled debators on here look good and no i dont mean that one, i meant the one with Kain alone VS Pyron, Jedah and Demitri, where i destroyed the "so called" debators against me, who like you did not know anything on kain either it seems

I know everything there is to know about Kain's abilities.
I just don't make up shit like you do.

prove you do so then, you obviously dont know anything

you need to disprove this so called "made up sh*t" and stop with the profantity or the good general will have to take you for a little walk

ive made up nothing at all, and from thinking Kain is killable smashes your credability into pulp

prove you do so then, you obviously dont know anything

Where do you want me to start?

How about how Kain has to dissolve into bats to avoid water?
How a mountain of rubble could have buried him?

He has a lot of TK, Mist, speed, strength and some gameplay magic spells but none of that means shit to an FTL planet-eating energy being.

you need to disprove this so called "made up sh*t" and stop with the profantity or the good general will have to take you for a little walk

If it wasn't allowed, it be censored like all the other swears.
And I don't have to disprove it. You claim Kain has a ton of powers because he's the Balance Guardian and Scion of Balance...that the powers of all the other Pillars are in him and he can use them freely.

This. Never. Happened.

Of course you'll ignore that, saying it's a conceptual Kain. Which means BS/Non-Existent Kain.

ive made up nothing at all, and from thinking Kain is killable smashes your credability into pulp

Get lots with your No Limit Fallacy.

Originally posted by IdiotGod
Where do you want me to start?

How about how Kain has to dissolve into bats to avoid water?
How a mountain of rubble could have buried him?

He has a lot of TK, Mist, speed, strength and some gameplay magic spells but none of that means shit to an FTL planet-eating energy being.

If it wasn't allowed, it be censored like all the other swears.
And I don't have to disprove it. You claim Kain has a ton of powers because he's the Balance Guardian and Scion of Balance...that the powers of all the other Pillars are in him and he can use them freely.

[B]This. Never. Happened.

Of course you'll ignore that, saying it's a conceptual Kain. Which means BS/Non-Existent Kain.

Get lots with your No Limit Fallacy. [/B]

how about with descrbing how time will not allow Kain to die, Kain can never die because of it and neither can the scion of balance status it gives him.

his only gameplay weakness it seems, problem is water is hardly a weakness at all as Raziel has shown us.
Prove it could of, as ive just said Kain is not allowed to die, so unless the rubble stopped him as Elder God said it would of stopped him, not killed however it didnt happen, since Kain "has" to meet his destiny

it will mean everything to a FTL (when he actually starts going at that speed, hes not instant like superman unfortunatley), and when he gets his soul ripped out by a Soul wrack spell or spirit death, bye bye Galaxy sized Pyronzzzz 😆

this never happend? you are saying he never became scion of balance? you say he never gained a link to the pillars like all the balance gaurdians did, your saying he has no connection to the other pillars even though he not only has a sword with them on it, but is connected to all of the pillars like all balance guardians are.....

you missed A LOT of LOK games then and sorry but sh*t is a swear, ime sure general will know and so will Lana

no i wont ignore the whole game like you have, hes got connection, hes got balance as well, hes got the full power of the pillars in the palm of his hand, and he will annhilate Pyron even before he gained conceptual control

how about with descrbing how time will not allow Kain to die, Kain can never die because of it and neither can the scion of balance status it gives him.

Um, Kain died in the original timeline. He was killed by Raziel in the tomb of William the Just.

his only gameplay weakness it seems, problem is water is hardly a weakness at all as Raziel has shown us.

Raziel outgrew all his vampiric weaknesses and some theorize Kain has gotten passed them too at the end of Defiance but that's just a theory.

Prove it could of, as ive just said Kain is not allowed to die, so unless the rubble stopped him as Elder God said it would of stopped him, not killed however it didnt happen, since Kain "has" to meet his destiny

Destiny and that sort of thing don't mean anything in these threads.
I didn't say the rubble would kill Kain. But many beings in fiction could not only survive being buried, they could throw it all off.

it will mean everything to a FTL (when he actually starts going at that speed, hes not instant like superman unfortunatley), and when he gets his soul ripped out by a Soul wrack spell or spirit death, bye bye Galaxy sized Pyronzzzz

You still haven't even proven if Pyron HAS a soul.

this never happend? you are saying he never became scion of balance?

No. I'm saying he never used the powers you say he can.

no i wont ignore the whole game like you have, hes got connection, hes got balance as well, hes got the full power of the pillars in the palm of his hand, and he will annhilate Pyron even before he gained conceptual control

Pyron will laugh at Kain's pathetic merely planetary power and kill him.
Oh and conceptual Kain
DOES NOT EXIST.
He nver used the powers you say he has so they are worthless in a debate of facts.

Originally posted by IdiotGod
Um, Kain died in the original timeline. He was killed by Raziel in the tomb of William the Just.

Raziel outgrew all his vampiric weaknesses and some theorize Kain has gotten passed them too at the end of Defiance but that's just a theory.

Destiny and that sort of thing don't mean anything in these threads.
I didn't say the rubble would kill Kain. But many beings in fiction could not only survive being buried, they could throw it all off.

You still haven't even proven if Pyron HAS a soul.

No. I'm saying he never used the powers you say he can.

Pyron will laugh at Kain's pathetic merely planetary power and kill him.
Oh and conceptual Kain
[B]DOES NOT EXIST.
He nver used the powers you say he has so they are worthless in a debate of facts. [/B]

1. Time is still immutable, that was always going to happen, he was always going to be reborn and regain his "scion" status

2. no ime talking about when Raziel was cast into the Abyss, he took what seemed to him millenia to die and by the time he came out, 10,000 years had passed, water is no real weakness to nosgoth vampires, and Kain is now immune, he gained the soul of Rahab his son who was water immune

3. but status and power does, his status as "scion" means he cannot die, he just simply cannot, he cannot be stopped either since that would try and go in line with what he is trying to do. Yes and many things in fiction would grab the DS universe and throw them out of excistence but getting out of rubble is not relevent here.

4. Pyron was a mortal humanoid being on Hellstorm once, there is no reason why he would lose his soul, if pyron does not have a soul, then excellent, Kain uses soul wrack to possess him

5. no he has never used them, that doesnt mean he cannot if he has the possibility which as ive shown you, he does through the links he now has after Defiance

6. no Pyron wont laugh, he will just dissolve and dissipate out as Kain takes his soul OR posseses him, either way Kain annhilates Pyron with ease

7. ime debating facts, its fact he has all these connections, wether he has used them or not is neither here or there

1. Time is still immutable, that was always going to happen, he was always going to be reborn and regain his "scion" status

No, he was always going to die but then he changed everything by convicing Raziel not to kill him. Then he saved Raziel from the Reaver and that totally changed history ala Blood Omen 2.

2. no ime talking about when Raziel was cast into the Abyss, he took what seemed to him millenia to die and by the time he came out, 10,000 years had passed, water is no real weakness to nosgoth vampires, and Kain is now immune, he gained the soul of Rahab his son who was water immune

Um, the water completely destroyed Raziel's body.
And Kain doesn't have his soul, Raz does. And Raz is in the Reaver. Unless you're saying Kain has all the powers Raziel did now?

3. but status and power does, his status as "scion" means he cannot die, he just simply cannot, he cannot be stopped either since that would try and go in line with what he is trying to do. Yes and many things in fiction would grab the DS universe and throw them out of excistence but getting out of rubble is not relevent here.

Except Kain's presence and position mater only to a single planet.
So if the planet is destroyed,

4. Pyron was a mortal humanoid being on Hellstorm once, there is no reason why he would lose his soul, if pyron does not have a soul, then excellent, Kain uses soul wrack to possess him

I don't know if there's anything about what Pyron was except in the non-canon comics.

5. no he has never used them, that doesnt mean he cannot if he has the possibility which as ive shown you, he does through the links he now has after Defiance

Except if debates were about "well he COULD do this" then the forum be even more chaotic than it is.
We go by what they HAVE done. Everyone guessing about this and that in a debate of feats is rubbish.

6. no Pyron wont laugh, he will just dissolve and dissipate out as Kain takes his soul OR posseses him, either way Kain annhilates Pyron with ease

"With this spell I can tear a creature's soul from its body, leaving its vacant flesh mine to control!"

You need to have a soul to do Soul Wrack....

time is immutable, they cannot change history

yes over a period that seemed like an eternity to him, so no fight in a VS is going to be like that anyway
He has most of them, all the powers Raziel got from stealing souls from Kains sons, Kain now regains to complete his soul, and all the powers within Raziels reaver which technically is also him, go into Kain.

that doesnt make sense, "kains presence and position"

it has been proven before by others that the comics are canon

All the debates in this whole games vs is based around what "he could do" because theyve never battled in canon so your logic is shattered right there, theres no guessing at all

it doesnt say it needs a soul at all, Kain says "leaving vacant flesh mine to control", pyron is already vaccant thats all.....and thats guessing deeply that he suddenly doesnt have a soul

IG, I would like to let you know that the comics are not storyline canon, but show canon abilities.

Kain takes it.

I came across this thread and read (on this page) some of the most hilarious things I've seen, but nothing tops this

Originally posted by Estacado
Do you enjoy talking so much bullshit?

My jaw hurts 😆

But, seriously Kain wins for the reasons already stated.

Kain never beats Pyron. Ever.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Kain never beats Pyron. Ever.