^what he said.
Pyron can swing his limbs all he wants, if Kain can become invulnerable through teleporting and using shields, you wonder what's the use. 😂
And I like all the speculated bs about Pyron, what with him being FTL and other nonsense. I like how none of his accomplishments were stated (and) proven in this thread. Pyron wins for being a big cosmic being who can eat planets. durlaugh
Originally posted by 4RX
^what he said.Pyron can swing his limbs all he wants, if Kain can become invulnerable through teleporting and using shields, you wonder what's the use. 😂
And I like all the speculated bs about Pyron, what with him being FTL and other nonsense. I like how none of his accomplishments were stated (and) proven in this thread. Pyron wins for being a big cosmic being who can eat planets. durlaugh
Sad hmm
Originally posted by 4RXTeleporting? Where will he teleport when the very planet Kain relies on for support isn't even there. Shields? If you really think that Kain's puny shields can withstand Pyron, well you are an idiot. Plain and simple.
^what he said.Pyron can swing his limbs all he wants, if Kain can become invulnerable through teleporting and using shields, you wonder what's the use. 😂
And I like all the speculated bs about Pyron, what with him being FTL and other nonsense. I like how none of his accomplishments were stated (and) proven in this thread. Pyron wins for being a big cosmic being who can eat planets. durlaugh
Well he IIRC traverses space eating planets across several galaxies in a relatively short amount of time and made it from the other side of the universe to Earth in three years. That is much faster than light.
Pyron wins because:
A. Kain can't freeze him in time, until Kain proves he can actually freeze time on a beyond planetary level.
B. Kain can't take his soul since it is an optional move in a game that is never mentioned in the series again, because Pyron can eat Makai, which requires a powerful soul and mind to even exist in with your mind intact(or some such shit), and because Kain couldn't even hit Pyron at the range Pyron will be from, several Nosgoth's away.
C. Kain can't teleport to Pyron in space, that is just stupid, he has never shown to be able to do anything of the sort, and saying he can is biased speculation based on personal opinions, which are in turn based on nothing more than what they want to believe.
D. Any attack from Pyron at his full size should logically annihilate the planet, or he could just eat it and Kain with it.
E. Kain cannot take over Pyron's mind, or do anything to it, what with Pyron showing that he can influence the entire dimension of Makai which houses trillions of intelligent lifeforms with his own telepathy, and do so from another dimension.
F. Pyron could just make Nosgoth orbit Pyron's finger. Kain would have no logical way to stop this other than fan-based assumptions and bias.
Pyron ftw.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Well he IIRC traverses space eating planets across several galaxies in a relatively short amount of time and made it from the other side of the universe to Earth in three years. That is much faster than light.Pyron wins because:
A. Kain can't freeze him in time, until Kain proves he can actually freeze time on a beyond planetary level.
B. Kain can't take his soul since it is an optional move in a game that is never mentioned in the series again, because Pyron can eat Makai, which requires a powerful soul and mind to even exist in with your mind intact(or some such shit), and because Kain couldn't even hit Pyron at the range Pyron will be from, several Nosgoth's away.
C. Kain can't teleport to Pyron in space, that is just stupid, he has never shown to be able to do anything of the sort, and saying he can is biased speculation based on personal opinions, which are in turn based on nothing more than what they want to believe.
D. Any attack from Pyron at his full size should logically annihilate the planet, or he could just eat it and Kain with it.
E. Kain cannot take over Pyron's mind, or do anything to it, what with Pyron showing that he can influence the entire dimension of Makai which houses trillions of intelligent lifeforms with his own telepathy, and do so from another dimension.
F. Pyron could just make Nosgoth orbit Pyron's finger. Kain would have no logical way to stop this other than fan-based assumptions and bias.
Pyron ftw.
A. Where did you get this info
B. Where did you get this info
C. Where did this come from and the reasoning there is none other than speculation, also.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Teleporting? Where will he teleport when the very planet Kain relies on for support isn't even there. Shields? If you really think that Kain's puny shields can withstand Pyron, well you are an idiot. Plain and simple.Well he IIRC traverses space eating planets across several galaxies in a relatively short amount of time and made it from the other side of the universe to Earth in three years. That is much faster than light.
Pyron wins because:
A. Kain can't freeze him in time, until Kain proves he can actually freeze time on a beyond planetary level.
B. Kain can't take his soul since it is an optional move in a game that is never mentioned in the series again, because Pyron can eat Makai, which requires a powerful soul and mind to even exist in with your mind intact(or some such shit), and because Kain couldn't even hit Pyron at the range Pyron will be from, several Nosgoth's away.
C. Kain can't teleport to Pyron in space, that is just stupid, he has never shown to be able to do anything of the sort, and saying he can is biased speculation based on personal opinions, which are in turn based on nothing more than what they want to believe.
D. Any attack from Pyron at his full size should logically annihilate the planet, or he could just eat it and Kain with it.
E. Kain cannot take over Pyron's mind, or do anything to it, what with Pyron showing that he can influence the entire dimension of Makai which houses trillions of intelligent lifeforms with his own telepathy, and do so from another dimension.
F. Pyron could just make Nosgoth orbit Pyron's finger. Kain would have no logical way to stop this other than fan-based assumptions and bias.
Pyron ftw.
A. what are you talking about, such BS? beyond planetary, explain your terms your coninig out of your @ss just to help yourself. i may as well say Pyron cannot even hit Nosgoth or Kain until he actually destroys a guy that is wrinkly and green and a planet with an Elder God on it.
B: At that range whats Pyron going to do to Nosgoth? or are you going to assume he can do this? also who are you to assume where Pyron starts the battle?
And this has been debated, nothing points to the spell not being canon, its just like most DMC spells and simliar GOW powers, only the hope and continual need for the spell to be uncanon since Kain could annhilate your beloved characters with it. And none of that tells anyone how Pyron can resist any soul powers, unless hes been hit by soul powers (show me) then hes not any resistance, simple. Otherwise its: based on nothing more than what you want to believe.
C: Kain can teleport, whats stopping him from teleporting into space? a magical barrier with the words "cannot teleport thru thiz!" covering the atmosphere. Not that Kain even has to.
D: Thats assuming he can attack at his full size, since weve never seen him do it, almost every time we see him at his full size he does very little actions or is in his fetal position for travel. Hell for all we know he cannot even move at that size unless we, what did you say: based on nothing more than what they want to believe.
E: Kain wouldnt use telepathy or mind control
F: how? just because all you see of Earth from an end of game uncanon ending is it orbiting his finger doesnt show you how he does it (could taken him hours to accomplish).
Kain could take Pyrons soul, freeze him in time with incapaciation, slow him then do any of the attacks before mentioned and this is before Scion Kain who could wipe the floor with as many pyrons as he sees fit.
Originally posted by Terryc250
You mean everything points to the the spell being non-canon? Since its only an optional gameplay spell, and he's never ever done it in the entire LOK series.Come on now, show me Kain taking someones soul, let alone an entity like Pyron, I dare you.
Nothing points to it being uncanon. And the option is a players decision which is irrelvent to the canon, ofc perhaps you belive players rule gaming canon for series? sorry but your Sephiroth fanfiction is not canon....
And he has snared a soul as ive shown you, he has used soul powers in the storyline.
I dont have to show you if its stated he can do it. Which it is. Also an entity like Pyron? you mean an entity who has zero soul resistance? it would be more difficult against ganon from the LOZ series.
Originally posted by Terryc250
Yeah getting the optional matera KOTR and Master Materia is player decision as well, does that mean Cloud gets it in the actual canon? No.Zero soul resistance against someone who has soul ripped zero souls? Ok.
No because those peticulour materia have no connection from a canon statement to the universe or a canon statement from the character when he gains it, Kain says he gains the spell himself which makes all the diffrence.
Zero soul resistance against someone who "can" rip souls however means hes doomed.
What does that have to do with anything? They're both just optional dialogue anyway. If you mean they describe somethin in world, then both the materia do in their optional dialogue.
Can you prove Kain can rip souls without using that optional gameplay spell? For example, like him actually ripping someones out soul in the story? And not just in your gameplay.
Originally posted by Terryc250
What does that have to do with anything? They're both just optional dialogue anyway. If you mean they describe somethin in world, then both the materia do in their optional dialogue.Can you prove Kain can rip souls without using that optional gameplay spell? For example, like him actually ripping someones out soul in the story? And not just in your gameplay.
But do they describe the materia itself as part of the universe? thats what would make it canon. And it has a lot to do with something, since in kains case the main character himself tells us he gains the power. The option part that your blabbering about is all player choice/option, Kain does not have an option since he is ruled by the developers decisions in his story....i.e hes not real dude....
In the story as ive shown he rips a soul from the underworld and puts it in another body, that alone proves he still has soul powers in general.
Sure, they describe in-world things and then offer a deal to give the materia in exchange for another in-world thing. Optional is optional, KOTR and Master Materia is both the player/characters choice to obtain or not, but nothing suggests the character obtained it in the actual storyline. Its no different then Kains optional spells.
Thats fallacy, first of all, we don't know how much time Kain needed to do that, second of all, thats not ripping a live beings soul out of his body, which goes back to my original statement, can you show me Kain ripping out someones soul?
Originally posted by 4RX
A. Where did you get this infoB. Where did you get this info
C. Where did this come from and the reasoning there is none other than speculation, also.
Originally posted by 4RX
Pyron teleports to the hills. There's no way in hell he's winning this.
Two of your many fails:
1. Debating one video game character versus another is 100% speculations. Especially in a fight such as this one.
2. Hills? What the hell? Pyron dwarves planets. Yeah, sure, he'll be safe on the hill 🙄 What'll he do next? Dig a bunker?
Originally posted by Terryc250
Sure, they describe in-world things and then offer a deal to give the materia in exchange for another in-world thing. Optional is optional, KOTR and Master Materia is both the player/characters choice to obtain or not, but nothing suggests the character obtained it in the actual storyline. Its no different then Kains optional spells.Thats fallacy, first of all, we don't know how much time Kain needed to do that, second of all, thats not ripping a live beings soul out of his body, which goes back to my original statement, can you show me Kain ripping out someones soul?
They dont describe the Materia as part of the universe though. Kain says so himself that he gains it, the optional part is irrelvent.
Yes its harder to rip it from the Nosgoth underworld than a body, since you would be basically defying the Elder God rather than the hosts menial resistance but no, I cannot "show" him doing it, theres not even a video of the gameplay that I can find atm but that is irrelvent, what a being can do, and what they have shown to be able to do, are two very diffrent things and Kain has been stated to do this power, rather than shown in a cutscene, it would not have made sense anyway to use it.