Originally posted by DigiMark007
I fail to see how I insulted you at all, certainly not enough to warrant you calling me reatrded.Also, 'i' is next to the 'o' on the keyboard. But yes, I obviously meant that I am impotent, because that's what any logical person would conclude from the passage. I can't get a hard on. lol. Done with the sophomoric laugh? Take your time....
Anyway, if you can't speak civilly to me, you're not worth my time.
You Insulte me first mate. 😉
As for Newjak's continuing argument, the infinite loop to him makes it so the paradox can never exist. To me it seems like the paradox still exists, you aren't shunting the question simply by making it infinitely recursive...the problem is simply never resolved.
And the focus has been on the rock paradox, but any could be substituted.
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As for mod business, I've seen a lot of insults flying around directed at all kinds of people...if you can't act respectfully, the thread will be closed, no questions asked. And hopefully they follow suit in the vs. forum if it continues.
Originally posted by Supermanluv
You Insulte me first mate. 😉
As I said, I fail to see where. I'm a d*ck about grammar, sure, but I'm an English teacher and do it all the time...in terms of the debate, I stated why I thought you were wrong and nothing more.
As it is, I would've apologized if you thought you were slighted, but flying off the handle with multiple insults didn't exactly make me warm to the idea
Originally posted by DigiMark007
As for Newjak's continuing argument, the infinite loop to him makes it so the paradox can never exist. To me it seems like the paradox still exists, you aren't shunting the question simply by making it infinitely recursive...the problem is simply never resolved.
EXACTLY !!!!!!!!!!!!
OMG someone has the balls to admit its crap.
Thankyou I could Kiss You !
Originally posted by DigiMark007And that causes the problem most of the Paradox's about Omnipotence assumes that a being that supposedly can do anything can fail.
As for Newjak's continuing argument, the infinite loop to him makes it so the paradox can never exist. To me it seems like the paradox still exists, you aren't shunting the question simply by making it infinitely recursive...the problem is simply never resolved.And the focus has been on the rock paradox, but any could be substituted.
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As for mod business, I've seen a lot of insults flying around directed at all kinds of people...if you can't act respectfully, the thread will be closed, no questions asked. And hopefully they follow suit in the vs. forum if it continues.
As I said, I fail to see where. I'm a d*ck about grammar, sure, but I'm an English teacher and do it all the time...in terms of the debate, I stated why I thought you were wrong and nothing more.
As it is, I would've apologized if you thought you were slighted, but flying off the handle with multiple insults didn't exactly make me warm to the idea
So Digi I ask when do we conclude that said Entity failed?
Originally posted by DigiMark007As I said, I fail to see where. I'm a d*ck about grammar, sure, but I'm an English teacher and do it all the time...in terms of the debate, I stated why I thought you were wrong and nothing more.
As it is, I would've apologized if you thought you were slighted, but flying off the handle with multiple insults didn't exactly make me warm to the idea
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Well good for you, I'm sure "university" is thrilled to have you,
Originally posted by Newjak
And that causes the problem most of the Paradox's about Omnipotence assumes that a being that supposedly can do anything can fail.So Digi I ask when do we conclude that said Entity failed?
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I realize it's a trick question, because we can't set a point. But the nature of your scenario will remain indefinitely infinite, so we can conclude that he won't succeed because it will remain in the recursive loop (presumably) forever.
Originally posted by Supermanluv
Like I said, I'm a d*ck about grammar. You said you were attending university, not a university. It wasn't a personal attack, and to interpret it as such is kind of a reach....especially when you went as far as calling me a bigot, retard, and moron in subsequent posts.
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Originally posted by DigiMark007Ah but the question posed isn't can he succeed we know he can do anything for an Infinite amount of Range, Scope, and Time. The question posed is when does he fail at failing.
😉I realize it's a trick question, because we can't set a point. But the nature of your scenario will remain indefinitely infinite, so we can conclude that he won't succeed because it will remain in the recursive loop (presumably) forever.
If there can be no set point there can be no set Failure because Failure is the outcome of something is it not?
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Like I said, I'm a d*ck about grammar. You said you were attending university, not a university. It wasn't a personal attack, and to interpret it as such is kind of a reach....especially when you went as far as calling me a bigot, retard, and moron in subsequent posts.😬
And who would call a mod those things? dontgetit
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Like I said, I'm a d*ck about grammar. You said you were attending university, not a university. It wasn't a personal attack, and to interpret it as such is kind of a reach....especially when you went as far as calling me a bigot, retard, and moron in subsequent posts.😬
I can assure that others interpretted it in a simillar vain, so its isn't that much of a reach, actually.
I don't pull my punches when people insult me.
Originally posted by SupermanluvNo its not. Choosing not to do something is not the same as not being able to do that in the first place. This is not a matter of opinion.
Putting my inferior intellect aside, the following statement ;'A self imposed limitation is a false or fake one and doesn't really count. '
Is subjective.
Originally posted by SupermanluvNu uh... subjective means a matter of opinion.
The limitation imposed upon god maybe fake, but does it necessarily mean that it doesn't count, I don't think so ? Its impossible to verify this analytically and empirically so therefore subjective.
the fact that he can at anytime ignore those limitations means they are not the same as a limitation where he couldn't do something even if he wanted.
Like I gave in examples. Just because you choose not to do something doesn't mean you can't. If you are presently sitting that doesn't mean you cannot stand, and if you are standing that does not mean you cannot sit. You don't need to ALWAYS be doing something to be able to do it. This is a fact, and not a matter of opinion.
Originally posted by SupermanluvThank you. Now I can tell the ELite's to put you on ignore now that I have a confession of admission of intent to troll. Also I'm going to report this to the moderator that you are trolling.
And there is no need to get so shirty. I was intending on tolling you all in the Elite group anyway, so your threat is laughable.
Originally posted by CreshoskThank you. Now I can tell the ELite's to put you on ignore now that I have a confession of admission of intent to troll. Also I'm going to report this to the moderator that you are trolling.
I'm not actually trolling here, but i will do if you continue. And I've been banned more 10 times previously and i always come back. Your threat is laughable, and u remind of that annoying little kid at school who couldn't understand why he had no friends although he always used to 'tell'.
It is subjective. The limitations imposed by god, are only inferior in your mind, God has intentionally made them as equal as natural limitations. Why?, because he can.
Originally posted by Newjak
Ah but the question posed isn't can he succeed we know he can do anything for an Infinite amount of Range, Scope, and Time. The question posed is when does he fail at failing.If there can be no set point there can be no set Failure because Failure is the outcome of something is it not?
My point all along. Setting aside success/failure concepts, "a resolution to the paradox" is well within the realm of All That Is. It should be possible for an omnipotent being, but it isn't. And if it is resolved (say, in this example, he makes a rock too big to lift in order to resolve it) you're cutting off the other possible resolution to the paradox, which is also within the realm of "All."
Originally posted by Supermanluv
I can assure that others interpretted it in a simillar vain, so its isn't that much of a reach, actually.I don't pull my punches when people insult me.
Vein.
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Well, in that case, you have my apologies, as I wasn't intending to insult you. However, the apology has nothing to do with (indeed, it seems in spite of) your reaction to it. Stooping far lower than the other person as soon as you think you've been slighted is hardly a noble or compassionate approach to any situation, and you would do well to correct it.
Originally posted by DigiMark007The problem is that if he is truly Omnipotent(Infinite Power) he will always be able to lift said rock but once again he will always be able to make a Bigger rock than the one he just lifted and lift that one so I ask once more when do we claim that he has failed.
My point all along. Setting aside success/failure concepts, "a resolution to the paradox" is well within the realm of All That Is. It should be possible for an omnipotent being, but it isn't. And if it is resolved (say, in this example, he makes a rock too big to lift in order to resolve it) you're cutting off the other possible resolution to the paradox, which is also within the realm of "All."
Which is the whole of the idea. That there can be no perfect being but if said being can not fail then doesn't that make it perfect.
Originally posted by Newjak
The problem is that if he is truly Omnipotent(Infinite Power) he will always be able to lift said rock but once again he will always be able to make a Bigger rock than the one he just lifted and lift that one so I ask once more when do we claim that he has failed.Which is the whole of the idea. That there can be no perfect being but if said being can not fail then doesn't that make it perfect.
I think we've entered our own infinite loop Nj. I'll pull out now since I think I've said all I can.