Omnipotence,Omniscience,Omnipresence

Originally posted by Supermanluv
Your firts staemnet contradicts your second. I agree with your first but not your second.

But the statement/problems requires that the Entity to implace the limits upon himself. Just because he has Infinite power doens't mean he cannot restrict himslef infinitely becasue infinity doesn't have any limits. The Entity is beyond infinity, by Intrinsic nature !

Yes an Entity could place those Limits upon themselves but at the same time they don't have to and without restrictions there is nothing they can not do such as failing at something.

And I would like to point out Infinity equals without bounds but what you are trying to say is that since the entity could impose limits on themselves they are greater than Infinity.

I hate to tell you this but Infinity can do that as well. It's called constraints. Like using the Interval [-7, 189]

Does this interval mean that Infinity no longer exists no it just means that more this moment we are only looking at this specific point.

The same would imply to any Restrictions a Omnipotent being would place on themselves.

Originally posted by Newjak
How did I.

Yes an Entity could place those Limits upon themselves but at the same time they don't have to and without restrictions there is nothing they can not do such as failing at something.

And I would like to point out Infinity equals without bounds but what you are trying to say is that since the entity could impose limits on themselves they are greater than Infinity.

I hate to tell you this but Infinity can do that as well. It's called constraints. Like using the Interval [-7, 189]

Does this interval mean that Infinity no longer exists no it just means that more this moment we are only looking at this specific point.

The same would imply to any Restrictions a Omnipotent being would place on themselves.

So you believe that (And I agree with you), and still don't believe there is NO paradox ? I don't think thats possible ?

I just love linear thinking. [/sarcasm]

Originally posted by Supermanluv
So you believe that (And I agree with you), and still don't believe there is NO paradox ? I don't think thats possible ?

God=Infinity

God=Restrictions

restrictions=Infinity

Because restrictions does not mean the absence of Infinity it just means at a specific point and time this is what we are working with.

So it is like God deciding not use all of his power doesn't mean it isn't there. So a self-imposed restriction is just God not using all of his power.

Originally posted by Creshosk
I just love linear thinking. [/sarcasm]

So you also don't believe there is a paradox either, and that the concept of an actual infinity resolves the entire problem that has troubled philosophers for Milenia ?

If so please could you explain in laymans terms because Im finding it very hard to comprehend Mister New Jack ?

Originally posted by Supermanluv
So you also don't believe there is a paradox either, and that the concept of an actual infinity resolves the entire problem that has troubled philosophers for Milenia ?

If so please could you explain in laymans terms because Im finding it very hard to comprehend Mister New Jack ?

the numbers 1 through 9 existing doesn't mean that infinity doesn't exist.

I'd also like to note that someitmes new knowledge and ways of thinking can shed light on older problems. The philosiphers of old were very inteligent, but they did not have all the answers, in fact some of the answers they did have were wrong. For example they theorized about atoms. but that which we call atoms is a terrible misnomer. As the word atom is derived from atomos which is "a" not and "tomos" cutting. refering to a basic building block of the universe we know know of the existence of not only sub-atomic particles of protons, neutrons and electrons, but of levels bbelow that which those particles are made out of.

The classical elements were at one time beleived to be the basic building blocks, Water, Fire, Earth, Air and Aether. We now know that water air and earth are composed of smaller things, and that fire is a chemical reaction.

So please don't try to use an ad hominem appeal to authority like that comment of yours.

Its only a paradox if there is a contradiction. But there is no contradicition, just a misunderstanding of concepts derived from the limitations on the language.

Originally posted by Creshosk
The existence of one thing does not mean the nonexistence of another dissimilar concept.

the numbers 1 through 9 existing doesn't mean that infinity doesn't exist.

Never said it didn't so I don't really know why your bringing that up.

Originally posted by Creshosk
I'd also like to note that someitmes new knowledge and ways of thinking can shed light on older problems. The philosiphers of old were very inteligent, but they did not have all the answers, in fact some of the answers they did have were wrong. For example they theorized about atoms. but that which we call atoms is a terrible misnomer. As the word atom is derived from atomos which is "a" not and "tomos" cutting. refering to a basic building block of the universe we know know of the existence of not only sub-atomic particles of protons, neutrons and electrons, but of levels bbelow that which those particles are made out of.

The classical elements were at one time beleived to be the basic building blocks, Water, Fire, Earth, Air and Aether. We now know that water air and earth are composed of smaller things, and that fire is a chemical reaction.

Old news, and also questionably 'relevant'. So far you seem to be side tracking the question.

Originally posted by Creshosk
So please don't try to use an ad hominem appeal to authority like that comment of yours.

Implying that I'm exaggerating. Oh the Irony ! 🙄

Originally posted by Creshosk
Its only a paradox if there is a contradiction. But there is no contradicition, just a misunderstanding of concepts derived from the limitations on the language.

I agree with there being various limitations upon the language and symbolism, but that doesn't mean there is no paradox ? Any way how does this relate to New Jack apparent solution involving infinities. Please be more direct this time, and avoid irrelevant history leas sons as its very late where I live and i want to ge this sorted tonight !

Originally posted by Supermanluv

I agree with there being various limitations upon the language and symbolism, but that doesn't mean there is no paradox ? Any way how does this relate to New Jack apparent solution involving infinities.

Originally posted by Newjak
I really fail to see why this matters. Seriously I stated that Omnipotence=Infinite Power. Therefore there is no limit to what an Omnipotent being can do. So how can there be The Paradox of Rock involving something that is Infinite(unlimited) when you are asking for something Finite(Limited)

How is moving an unmoveable rock finite ?

Originally posted by Supermanluv
Never said it didn't so I don't really know why your bringing that up.

Originally posted by Supermanluv
Old news, and also questionably 'relevant'. So far you seem to be side tracking the question.

Originally posted by Supermanluv
Implying that I'm exaggerating. Oh the Irony ! 🙄

and appeal to authority for mentioning these "philosiphers".

I did not say strawman. Please, try not to get the fallacies confused.

Originally posted by Supermanluv
I agree with there being various limitations upon the language and symbolism, but that doesn't mean there is no paradox ? Any way how does this relate to New Jack apparent solution involving infinities. Please be more direct this time, and avoid irrelevant history leas sons as its very late where I live and i want to ge this sorted tonight !

Omni = all
potent = power

all is synonamous with infinite.

in = not
finite = finis = end

If a person is omnipotent there is no end to there power. To put a limitation on their power outside of self imposed limitations is to detract from the concept of "all power" or "endless power".

So trying to seperate infinity from omnipotence is a sham distinction. That's a fallacy.

A self imposed limitation is a false or fake one and doesn't really count. Just because a person who does and can walk sits down doesn't mean they can't walk when they are not walking.

Originally posted by Supermanluv
How is moving an unmoveable rock finite ?

How is it infinite?

I gave an example of an "unliftable" rock already. and it can have a definte size, and a definite mass, a definite physical existence (that of being a rock)

The rock also has a very definite location.

All of these things are quite finite.

Originally posted by Creshosk

A self imposed limitation is a false or fake one and doesn't really count.

subjective bullshit, that you cannot pass off to be absolute trust, as your are trying to do.

I've ignored the rest because its irrelevant bullshit, and you example is terrible.

Originally posted by Supermanluv
How is moving an unmoveable rock finite ?

So since we know that God will not be able to Fail because he can never be finished because there is always more he can do. So the Paradox that relies on him failing can not exist because God can not fail.

Originally posted by Creshosk
you're kidding right?

How is it infinite?

I gave an example of an "unliftable" rock already. and it can have a definte size, and a definite mass, a definite physical existence (that of being a rock)

The rock also has a very definite location.

All of these things are quite finite.

Replace the word rock with Entity and the word immoveable with more powerful, and the paradox returns.

Originally posted by Newjak
Because then you are only looking at a Finite point in an Infinite line because no matter what the fact is that God can always make a bigger Rock and can lift it. So when do conclude the God has finally failed because that is the biggest point of the Paradox of the Rock. It tries to prove that a supposedly Omnipotent Being can shown failure one way or the other.

So since we know that God will not be able to Fail because he can never be finished because there is always more he can do. So the Paradox that relies on him failing can not exist because God can not fail.

But the problem requires him to fails ! Its supposed to be an impossible task. Thats its intrinsic nature.

The task requires him to pass and fail, therefore impossible and a paradox !

God, i think we'll have to agree to disagree !

Originally posted by Supermanluv
subjective bullshit, that you cannot pass off to be absolute trust, as your are trying to do.

I've ignored the rest because its irrelevant bullshit, and you example is terrible.

Tell me, because you are not currently walking, that means you can't, right?

Because you're not talking that means you can't. Because you're not siging or reading a book or playing a game... you can't.

Cause hey, is you have the power you have to use it right? Otherwise its the same as you not having it. Obviously as self imposed limitations are just as real as the regular ones.

No I'm sorrym, but that is bullshit and pigheaded thinking. You delved into the realm of subjective bullshit where since you can't counter a point (obviously otherwise you would have) you disregard it as bullshit.

You've shown timke and time again to lack the reading comprehension needed to participate in the conversation. So My patience with your trollish antics has reached a breaking point. Continue to be as obviously oblivious as you are and you will be reported for trolling.

Also, don't request admission into the elites again. If you do I will vote against it.

Originally posted by Supermanluv
First off, no one is talking about imnipotence, or whatever the hell you
where referring to.

I know your desperate to enforce your seemingly superior intellect, but confusing the word Omnipotence, with a derivative that is closely associated with ones inability to get a hard on (i.e. impotence), is actually very amusing at your expense.

second, surrounding traditionally obvious words such as true, with quotation marks doesn't make you clever. It gives off the impression that your having difficulty quantifying the meaning of the word true, which in itself is pretty retarded also.

I fail to see how I insulted you at all, certainly not enough to warrant you calling me reatrded.

Also, 'i' is next to the 'o' on the keyboard. But yes, I obviously meant that I am impotent, because that's what any logical person would conclude from the passage. I can't get a hard on. lol. Done with the sophomoric laugh? Take your time....

Anyway, if you can't speak civilly to me, you're not worth my time.

Originally posted by Supermanluv
But the problem requires him to fails ! Its supposed to be an impossible task. Thats its intrinsic nature.

The task requires him to pass and fail, therefore impossible and a paradox !

God, i think we'll have to agree to disagree !

Originally posted by Creshosk
It seems that you' are reaching beyond your own intelectual capabilities here. You've resorted to nothing less than trolling.

Tell me, because you are not currently walking, that means you can't, right?

Because you're not talking that means you can't. Because you're not siging or reading a book or playing a game... you can't.

Cause hey, is you have the power you have to use it right? Otherwise its the same as you not having it. Obviously as self imposed limitations are just as real as the regular ones.

No I'm sorrym, but that is bullshit and pigheaded thinking. You delved into the realm of subjective bullshit where since you can't counter a point (obviously otherwise you would have) you disregard it as bullshit.

You've shown timke and time again to lack the reading comprehension needed to participate in the conversation. So My patience with your trollish antics has reached a breaking point. Continue to be as obviously oblivious as you are and you will be reported for trolling.

Also, don't request admission into the elites again. If you do I will vote against it.

Putting my inferior intellect aside, the following statement ;

'A self imposed limitation is a false or fake one and doesn't really count. '

Is subjective.

The limitation imposed upon god maybe fake, but does it necessarily mean that it doesn't count, I don't think so ? Its impossible to verify this analytically and empirically so therefore subjective.

And there is no need to get so shirty. I was intending on tolling you all in the Elite group anyway, so your threat is laughable.

Kick his ass, Digi!!!!