Originally posted by DigiMark007
Vein.😉
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Well, in that case, you have my apologies, as I wasn't intending to insult you. However, the apology has nothing to do with (indeed, it seems in spite of) your reaction to it. Stooping far lower than the other person as soon as you think you've been slighted is hardly a noble or compassionate approach to any situation, and you would do well to correct it.
If i want lessons in life from you, I'll ask ...
And I appologise for calling you a retard !
Originally posted by DigiMark007We have not reached an Infinite loop I say durfist
I think we've entered our own infinite loop Nj. I'll pull out now since I think I've said all I can.
But the questions simple we know that an Omnipotent being will always succeed but at what point do we determine that being has failed at failing, noting that they keep going higher intervals every time?
It's a legit question Digi 😛
Originally posted by Newjak
We have not reached an Infinite loop I say durfistBut the questions simple we know that an Omnipotent being will always succeed but at what point do we determine that being has failed at failing, noting that they keep going higher intervals every time?
It's a legit question Digi 😛
No its an unanswearble question, hence being a paradox !
Originally posted by Supermanluvdur
I'm not actually trolling here, but i will do if you continue. And I've been banned more 10 times previously and i always come back. Your threat is laughable, and u remind of that annoying little kid at school who couldn't understand why he had no friends although he always used to 'tell'.It is subjective. The limitations imposed by god, are only inferior in your mind, God has intentionally made them as equal as natural limitations. Why?, because he can.
Originally posted by SupermanluvActually I'm the annoying little kid who has friends and got the sock to admit to socking in front of a mod. 😛
I'm not actually trolling here, but i will do if you continue. And I've been banned more 10 times previously and i always come back. Your threat is laughable, and u remind of that annoying little kid at school who couldn't understand why he had no friends although he always used to 'tell'.
Originally posted by SupermanluvI answered it.. hence its not a paradox. 😉
No its an unanswearble question, hence being a paradox !
Originally posted by Air LegendIts found in 4 of the 27 translations I know about under Revelations 19:6
However this is all inconsequential because the word omnipotent is not found in the Bible. God has been reffered to as the Almighty but not as "omnipotent". God cannot do everything; for example he cannot sin or lie, it is against His nature.
"And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth."
Originally posted by SnazzySmurphI know its ineffable. I'm explaining why it is.
I said this way before Digi's comment. 😬Give Smurph his props!
Anyways one last time for this thread, say it with me everybody...
IT'S F*CKING INEFFABLE, DIPSHITS!
The fact is Digi I didn't ask a Trickquestion. I asked the only question that matters. The one question you actually need to be able to answer.
Your entire point is that at some point God will fail be reaching either a max or making the biggest rock he can and lift. Either way he fails.
So once again the problem is that God(Omnipotent Being) will always be able to make a bigger rock that the one he just previously lifted and make a bigger rock than the one he lifted before that.
So you say the Paradox is there it's just an infinite loop delaying it. Even though you can not delay a Paradox let's just say the Paradox is there.
Where is it at?
Saying something doesn't mean you have proven it. So then let's actually look at what needs to happen for you to be right. A paradox that requires failing can only happen on the point of failure.
So the question that needs to be answered and must be answered for anything you said to be true. I mean if you can answer this then yes the Paradox does exist and I will leave it be.
So then Digi and everyone at what point can we determine and say the Entity has failed?
If you can answer factually then yes you have your Paradox and Omnipotence can never be truly omnpotent but if you cannot answer it with a factual statement then your Paradox can not exist as God cannot fail.
Originally posted by Newjak
Yeah thats right.And that is what the fundamental problem of the Paradox of the Rock is.
Ok this is how it is generally represented.
1. Ok if God Exists
-So right off the bat we are to assume that God(Omnipotent Being) exists. No question of belief according to this example we say he does.2. Than can he make a rock he can not lift and he can not then how can he be all powerful.
- So then now we are saying that a being with unlimited power is trying to make a rock he can not lift.The Problem: God can always make a bigger rock to lift therefore we can never be sure.
Therefore the "Paradox" doesn't exist because there is no answer.
And this is the problem when Infinity is applied to anything.
That argument reminds me of the famous atheist turned Christian theologian, C.S Lewis who answered the question "Are there any questions God can't answer?" with "Of course. All nonsense questions are unanswerable." 😄
Originally posted by willRulesIt probably is the same but the question still remains. 😛
That argument reminds me of the famous atheist turned Christian theologian, C.S Lewis who answered the question "Are there any questions God can't answer?" with "Of course. All nonsense questions are unanswerable." 😄
And in order for the whole Paradox of the Rock to prove true at some point an Omnipotent being has to fail so when does it fail?
No God can‘t create the rock, the answer’s just that simple. And the answer isn’t no because there’s a limit to Gods power, it’s rather BECAUSE of God’s power. See the whole problem is that the omniscience possessed by God isn’t taken into consideration, just his omnipotence. When omnipotence and omniscience go hand, perfection is the end result. Now in order for God to WANT to create a rock so heavy that he himself can’t lift it there would have to be something wrong with Gods “vision” of the future, otherwise he would have written the laws of the universe so that the paradox of whether or not he could create and lift the rock wouldn’t exist. You have to remember that everything in the universe is supposed to fit into God’s “plan”, and for the stipulations to be that God up and decide out of no where to create some unimaginable rock goes against that plan and imposes the imperfection of humanity upon a being beyond those imperfections. The situation basically ask “Is God’s power so limitless that it actually has limits?” which is stupid.
So can God lift the rock? No. Why? Because if he did he’d be just as dumb as humanity in general for thinking of it and wouldn’t actually be God.
Originally posted by Newjak
We have not reached an Infinite loop I say durfistBut the questions simple we know that an Omnipotent being will always succeed but at what point do we determine that being has failed at failing, noting that they keep going higher intervals every time?
It's a legit question Digi 😛
And I answer it already. Like I said, infinite loop.
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