Ulic Qel-Droma versus the Jedi Exile.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
So what? It could mean Pall, Ragnos, Hord, or a number of any other sith during the entire 2,000 years since the Dark Jedi came there. In no way does it mean Sadow.

Yes I know she was referring to the ancient sith, but to assume she was talking about Sadow is ridiculous.

No, it isn't - given the exact words of Kreia's quote which are:
"If you were to face an ancient Sith Lord in combat, you would learn that we are as children playing with toys compared to the prowess of the old Masters."

She's clearly referring to all ancient Sith Lords as a whole and that's a group that would certainly include Naga Sadow.

1. Kun apparently had incredible force potential and raw force abilities.

I'd say the same is true for Sadow as the other Sith are specifically mention that he is indeed powerful because he has true Jedi blood running through his veins.

2. Sadow's knowledge apparently didn't make him the force god Kun was.

And what exactly makes you think so ?

3. Kreia was referring to pure saber combat or pure combat (I forgot which). It's ridiculous to assume Sadow was included anywhere in this since Ragnos was pretty much the last uber powerful sith.

See quote above. I see no way how Sadow is not included in "an ancient Sith Lord" which clearly refers to any ancient Sith Lord there was. Sadow was one of them.

Originally posted by Borbarad
No, it isn't - given the exact words of Kreia's quote which are:
"If you were to face an ancient Sith Lord in combat, you would learn that we are as children playing with toys compared to the prowess of the old Masters."

She's clearly referring to all ancient Sith Lords as a whole and that's a group that would certainly include Naga Sadow.

I'd say the same is true for Sadow as the other Sith are specifically mention that he is indeed powerful because he has true Jedi blood running through his veins.

And what exactly makes you think so ?

See quote above. I see no way how Sadow is not included in "an ancient Sith Lord" which clearly refers to any ancient Sith Lord there was. Sadow was one of them. [/B]

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
So why is it that you're specifically referring to Sadow when there is no evidence of this whatsoeveR?

You're stupid.

So you have to have "true jedi blood" to be powerful? OR rather, you are surely powerful because you have true jedi blood? Hardly an argument Nai.

No. It certainly helps when you have half a dozen Sith Lords that claim you are powerful (for whatever reason). Or we can simply take the fact that you apparently have no point to doubt the power of Naga Sadow who is called powerful by the omniscient narrator and apparently capable of overrunning three worlds simultaneously with troops that consist of 90 % tangible illusions ?

Gee I don't know, the comics that depict him doing nothing other than throwing a brick? The fact that he was in some way killed by Nadd? The fact that he went into stasis shortly after the hyperspace war ended which means he didn't exactly have centuries to perfect his dark arts? I'm not disputing that Sadow is pretty powerful, but compared to the likes of Kun who took his knowledge to a whole new level? Not even comparable.

For sure. Creating tangible illusions that form entire armies certainly isn't impressive. Not to mention leaving all that knowledge behind for Kun.

Yet you are assuming that Kreia was referring to EVERY ancient sith lord. This would be ridiculous because we've seen very weak ancient sith lords with virtually no abilities.

No. I'm not assuming it. It's right before your eyes. She says "an Ancient Sith Lord" without any other specification. And that means: No matter which Ancient Sith Lord you'd pick, he would destroy Kreia in combat. You might question the statement itself or Kreia as a source in general - but the fact remains: Kreia obviously thinks that any of the Ancient Sith would destroy herself or the Exile in combat. And given that Sadow's knowledge turned Kun into a powerhouse in the matter of months I don't even want to know what Sadow could have done, considering he had decades upon decades to amass that knowledge and study the stuff.

Originally posted by Borbarad
You're stupid.

[quote\No. It certainly helps when you have half a dozen Sith Lords that claim you are powerful (for whatever reason). Or we can simply take the fact that you apparently have no point to doubt the power of Naga Sadow who is called powerful by the omniscient narrator and apparently capable of overrunning three worlds simultaneously with troops that consist of 90 % tangible illusions ?[/quote]
Wonderful. He was called powerful. I'm glad you can substantiate this. He has sexy illusions, this REALLY makes him powerful. By your retarded logic, Aleema is "powerful" too. Not to mention, At the beginning of the comics describing the character, Ludo Kressh was called a "Powerful sith lord" too. Way to prove absolutely nothing.

For sure. Creating tangible illusions that form entire armies certainly isn't impressive. Not to mention leaving all that knowledge behind for Kun.

No. I'm not assuming it. It's right before your eyes. She says "an Ancient Sith Lord" without any other specification. And that means: No matter which Ancient Sith Lord you'd pick, he would destroy Kreia in combat. You might question the statement itself or Kreia as a source in general - but the fact remains: Kreia obviously thinks that any of the Ancient Sith would destroy herself or the Exile in combat. And given that Sadow's knowledge turned Kun into a powerhouse in the matter of months I don't even want to know what Sadow could have done, considering he had decades upon decades to amass that knowledge and study the stuff. [/B]

Originally posted by Borbarad
[B]First: I was referring to Kun's speed there and not to his duelling ability.
Second: He was the best duelist in his time and Ulic is the only person that ever stalemated him
Third: Come back when you have learned to construct argument instead of coming up with feat wars. Really. “Ulic spread death on a genocidal level throughout the Galaxy and the Exile did only kill a few hundret opponents. Ulic > Exile”. Holy shit.

First of all combat feats matter. Ulic spreading genocidal death is not a combat feat and therefore it is irrelevant. You don't have to be good at combat to start a war. So as usual, your arguments are pretty poor at best. You don't even know when you're spouting useless drivel.

Originally posted by Borbarad
[B]ROFL. No. I suggest that somebody who spent a century or more (average life time of the ancient Sith) with studying all aspects of the force has a little bit more knowledge than a librarian who might be in her 50s and who didn't have that much Sith knowledge. The correct analogy here is that you are trying to tell me, that somebody who got some Ancient Egypt relics into his hands has more knowledge about Ancient Egypt than a Pharao who lived there.

BS. Your making an unfounded assertion that some random Sith spirit that possessed Dovos had more knowledge in the Sith arts than Atris had, stored in Sith and Jedi holocrons, and that's bs. There's no EVIDENCE for this Sith's supposed great knowledge except Warb Null's medieval-looking armor.

So your argument based on evidence is essentially: lousy looking ineffective armor > generations of accumulated Jedi stores of Sith Lore. Wow Nai?! You really s**k at debating.

Originally posted by Borbarad
And nowhere does it state, that a Jedi historian that digged around in the Sith Arts for a few years suddenly has more Sith knowledge than a freaking Ancient Sith. And after pretty much assuming this you really call my logic “flawed”. LMAO.

A Jedi Historian who had spent most of her life studying the force, and studying Sith Holocrons on top of that, for at least 5 years. Yes, she'd have more force knowledge than some oh-so-knowledgable ancient Sith, that could only help Dovos with some shitty armor.

Originally posted by Borbarad
Oh my f*cking God. How stupid can somebody be. I said that if wielding three lightsabers around telekinetically would be more efficient than using one lightsaber with your hand, we would see every damn powerful force user running around, fighting with levitated lightsabers. .

Oh shut up, you idiot! And you see other powerful users becoming immortal, or draining planet's of the force. What are you?! A retard with no concept of FICTION? Is this supposed to be an argument? Or are you not aware that, I don't know... it's possible for a character to use a UNIQUE combat technique in a piece of fiction? You are aware that despite the fact that Kreia is an anceint times Jedi in the continuity, she' still a relatively new character in the mythos?

Just making sure we're on the same page. Get the f**k out of here with such arguments. The rest of your bs I already addressed even before you thought to comment on this issue.

Originally posted by Borbarad
This obviously doesn't happen. Why ? Because you need to focus on every object you affect with the force. In this case on three lightsabers and then you have to think about movement patterns that would make that lightsaber move in a coordinated or dangerous fashion. So basically all you doing is to move the blade with your force powers instead with your physical power which will always require more effort than doing the same with your hand. So obviously fighting with levitating lightsabers can't be as efficient as using a single blade with your hand.

And that's impossible how? Because the great authority on SW Mr.Nai, says so. Nothing about the overriding theme of the force is grounded on hard science. So focusing on three moving lightsabers is quite possible for someone like Kreia, with her power and her mental discipline and focus.

Kreia may not be the most powerful, but she shows a very great degree of mental focus in the way she applies the force.

The impression that she maximizes her force power with meditation and mental focus is clear in the narrative.

So no, it's not impossible.

As far as efficiency goes, of course a single lightsaber is more efficient, however it doesn't change the fact that three lightsabers have the potential to be more dangerous.

Originally posted by Borbarad
Apparently you still don't have anything to even suggest that Kreia did handle those lightsabers around in a way which posed a challenge to the Exile. Thanks for agreeing that you don't have a point here.

Nothing to suggest? How about the simple fact that their only purpose was to be a mortal THREAT to the Exile? How about rereading your arguments before you post them?

i dont quite undertsand how you can argue an undefineable chracacter to a well- defined character..

Originally posted by Tengu
i dont quite undertsand how you can argue an undefineable chracacter to a well- defined character..

Well the Exile is defined enough: female, lightside + we have an idea of what force forms and lightsaber techniques she mastered or knew (unlike Revan) and she has combat feats. In contrast Ulic's skill level is unknown as well, his forms and lightsaber techniques are unknown and he has lesser combat feats.

A debate is open in this case..

Originally posted by Borbarad
No, it isn't - given the exact words of Kreia's quote which are:
"If you were to face an ancient Sith Lord in combat, you would learn that we are as children playing with toys compared to the prowess of the old Masters."

She's clearly referring to [b]all ancient Sith Lords as a whole and that's a group that would certainly include Naga Sadow.

[/B]

And so far, all we've seen from Sadow ON HIS OWN, was him throwing a brick. Woopty f**king doo.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Says the moron who can't even back up his stupid assertion.

I'm not going to debate with people that can't read, DS.

Wonderful. He was called powerful. I'm glad you can substantiate this. He has sexy illusions, this REALLY makes him powerful. By your retarded logic, Aleema is "powerful" too. Not to mention, At the beginning of the comics describing the character, Ludo Kressh was called a "Powerful sith lord" too. Way to prove absolutely nothing.

Apparently those people are powerful and I don't see you coming up with something to argue that position of the omniscient narrator. And I don't have to proof anything. I was referring to Kreia's statement only and Kreia obviously thinks that Sadow (or any other ancient Sith Lord) would be far superior to herself and the Exile in combat. So what ?

Then Aleema wtfpwns most people. Leaving knowledge behind for Kun to use doesn't make Sadow powerful. Sadow's best force feat was throwing a brick. Having a lot of knowledge doesn't make you powerful Nai, especially if you don't have the time to use it and master it. Sadow went into stasis shortly after the hyperspace war.

Yes, oh great jackass. You did notice that Sadow had already lived for more than a century before he became Dark Lord of the Sith ? Yes ? What do you think he did during that time ? Learning Sith magic maybe ? Doing some Sith Alchemic experiments ? Yes ? Good god.

Decades? HE went into stasis after the Hyperspace war. You're ASSUMING he had decades to do something with his knowledge. Sadow COULD have done a lot i'm sure, but there's no reason to assume that he's powerful because he had a lot of his sith alchemy and sith magic. Furthermore, beating Kreia or the Exile in combat isn't a big feat and if you're going to claim "All the ancient sith", then the Jedi on Coruscant during the Hyperspace War must be combat gods because they were fighting these "ancient sith" and defeating them.

I'm not assuming anything. He had decades to study his knowledge prior to becoming the Dark Lord. And sorry...the sheer knowledge about certain techniques Kun later shows make Sadow a potentially dangerous foe. Don't see how this can be argued. And since you calling it "no big feat" to beat Kreia or the Exile in combat, I don't see WTF you started arguing with me, troll. Remember...I just asked how Kreia or the Exile would beat the likes of Sadow or Warb Null, given that Kreia herself thinks to be inferior to people like them. Got that now ?

I just asked how Kreia or the Exile would beat the likes of Sadow or Warb Null, given that Kreia herself thinks to be inferior to people like them. Got that now ?

Originally posted by Allankles
First of all combat feats matter. Ulic spreading genocidal death is not a combat feat and therefore it is irrelevant. You don't have to be good at combat to start a war. So as usual, your arguments are pretty poor at best. You don't even know when you're spouting useless drivel.

Apparently somebody isn't capable of recognizing sarcasm even if it jumps right into his face. Thank you for proving that you're a dumbass once more.

BS. Your making an unfounded assertion that some random Sith spirit that possessed Dovos had more knowledge in the Sith arts than Atris had, stored in Sith and Jedi holocrons, and that's bs. There's no EVIDENCE for this Sith's supposed great knowledge except Warb Null's medieval-looking armor.

You can't be that dumb. Really. It can't be.
Atris had five years tops to study some holocrons. The Sith possessing Dovos, growing up in the Ancient Sith Empire, had decades or centuries learning from a greater knowledge source (as he grew up in an enviroment dominated by the Sith Arts). How can Atris possible have more Sith knowledge ?

So your argument based on evidence is essentially: lousy looking ineffective armor > generations of accumulated Jedi stores of Sith Lore. Wow Nai?! You really s**k at debating.

Apparently you once more didn't get it. My argument is that generations of accumaleted Jedi and Sith Lore studied by a guy over decades or even centuries > some Jedi and Sith Lord in holocrons studied by a woman for some years. Got that into your head now ? What you do is basically assuming that an Ancient Sith Lord (who are all force users, all descendants of former Jedi and all pretty knowledgeable in terms of Sith magic / alchemy) didn't know jack shit about Jedi and (even more hilarious) Sith powers. But I suck at debates ? Hooray.

A Jedi Historian who had spent most of her life studying the force, and studying Sith Holocrons on top of that, for at least 5 years. Yes, she'd have more force knowledge than some oh-so-knowledgable ancient Sith, that could only help Dovos with some shitty armor.

Apparently you ignoring the fact that Dovos wasn't a force user. The Sith spirit apparently turned him into a being capable of matching (and even overpowering) Jedi in combat. Considering that Dovos was a regular human before, this is quite impressive. And your oh so knowledgeable Atris seems to be limited to some force lightning when it comes down to Sith Arts. Why doesn't that sound impressive, eh ?

Oh shut up, you idiot! And you see other powerful users becoming immortal, or draining planet's of the force. What are you?! A retard with no concept of FICTION? Is this supposed to be an argument? Or are you not aware that, I don't know... it's possible for a character to use a UNIQUE combat technique in a piece of fiction? You are aware that despite the fact that Kreia is an anceint times Jedi in the continuity, she' still a relatively new character in the mythos?

Just making sure we're on the same page. Get the f**k out of here with such arguments. The rest of your bs I already addressed even before you thought to comment on this issue.

Thanks for trying to dodge the argument with some pointless ad hominem talk. Maybe you want to go check the fundamental workings of the SW universe (such as: using the force needs some focus / concentration) before holding yourself up to ridicule further. And we're not on the same page, not even in the same book if you can't even understand such basic concepts.

And that's impossible how? Because the great authority on SW Mr.Nai, says so. Nothing about the overriding theme of the force is grounded on hard science. So focusing on three moving lightsabers is quite possible for someone like Kreia, with her power and her mental discipline and focus.

You apparently still not mentally capable to grasp the point. I'm trying to explain it to you one more time:

a) Wielding a lightsaber with your hand requires skill of the amount X
b) Doing the same thing with telekinesis requires skill of the amount X + concentration / focus / force power of the amount Y

So. Wielding around one blade telekinetically already requires more effort than doing the same thing with your hand. Understand that so far ? If yes...you may understand as why wielding around three blades telekinetically wouldn't be as easy as fighting with one blade in your hand.

Kreia may not be the most powerful, but she shows a very great degree of mental focus in the way she applies the force.

Did somebody argue that ? No. Does that mean that if she levitates three lightsabers those must automatically form a deadly whirlwind of lightsaber blades cutting through anything ? Nope.

As far as efficiency goes, of course a single lightsaber is more efficient, however it doesn't change the fact that three lightsabers have the potential to be more dangerous.

Oh. Somebody finally got the point. Yes. The potential to be more dangerous but as we don't know how Kreia used them (unless you want to use the ingame animation for detail) you can't simply state that : "Zomg. Fighting against three lightsabers must require far more skill than fighting against one." Because this is wrong unless you quantify the skill of the corresponding opponent. Which is either nonexistant (going by ingame animations) or not quantifyable.

Nothing to suggest? How about the simple fact that their only purpose was to be a mortal THREAT to the Exile? How about rereading your arguments before you post them?

No. The simply fact is that Kreia only started with the levitating after she didn't have any hand left any longer to fight with the Exile. Of course those blades should have been a mortal thread for the Exile but that doesn't mean that they were. Because, I point it out just one more time: Had they be more dangerous to the Exile than one blade, Kreia would have used them from the beginning on. End of story.

Isn't it an RPG rule that the final boss saves their trump card till last, though? It's a classic rule: You need to fight the villain's numerous forms, with each getting progressively stronger.

Originally posted by Borbarad
I'm not going to debate with people that can't read, DS.

Apparently those people are powerful and I don't see you coming up with something to argue that position of the omniscient narrator. And I don't have to proof anything. I was referring to Kreia's statement only and Kreia obviously thinks that Sadow (or any other ancient Sith Lord) would be far superior to herself and the Exile in combat. So what ?

Yes, oh great jackass. You did notice that Sadow had already lived for more than a century before he became Dark Lord of the Sith ? Yes ? What do you think he did during that time ? Learning Sith magic maybe ? Doing some Sith Alchemic experiments ? Yes ? Good god.

I'm not assuming anything. He had decades to study his knowledge prior to becoming the Dark Lord. And sorry...the sheer knowledge about certain techniques Kun later shows make Sadow a potentially dangerous foe. Don't see how this can be argued. And since you calling it "no big feat" to beat Kreia or the Exile in combat, I don't see WTF you started arguing with me, troll. Remember...I just asked how Kreia or the Exile would beat the likes of Sadow or Warb Null, given that Kreia herself thinks to be inferior to people like them. Got that now ? [/B]

Originally posted by Borbarad
Apparently somebody isn't capable of recognizing sarcasm even if it jumps right into his face. Thank you for proving that you're a dumbass once more.

HA! You cal it sarcasm when it's not, regardless it was irrelevant. You started by saying: "stop arguing feat wars." I'm making it clear that COMBAT feats are relevant in this assessment for obvious reasons. Are you sure you don't have some kind of reasoning deficiencies.

Originally posted by Borbarad

Atris had five years tops to study some holocrons. The Sith possessing Dovos, growing up in the Ancient Sith Empire, had decades or centuries learning from a greater knowledge source (as he grew up in an enviroment dominated by the Sith Arts). How can Atris possible have more Sith knowledge ?.

The Sith possessing Dovos was just some random dark spirit. There's no evidence, both in what he accomplished through Dovos and what was said about him suggest he had anywhere near as much knowledge as Atris. Atrsi was studying the generations of accumulated Jedi knowledge on Sith Lore and surrounded herself with many Sith holocrons. Dovos's spirit represents only one holocron (if at all).

Yes, logic, evidence dictates that Atris had more knowledge at her disposal and therefore was more knowledgeable in the force than some unknown random Sith spirit.

Originally posted by Borbarad
Apparently you once more didn't get it. My argument is that generations of accumaleted Jedi and Sith Lore studied by a guy over decades or even centuries > some Jedi and Sith Lord in holocrons studied by a woman for some years. Got that into your head now ? What you do is basically assuming that an Ancient Sith Lord (who are all force users, all descendants of former Jedi and all pretty knowledgeable in terms of Sith magic / alchemy) didn't know jack shit about Jedi and (even more hilarious) Sith powers. But I suck at debates ? Hooray.?.

The random Sith spirit never possessed the knowledge of generations of accumulated Sith lore, because there is simply no evidence that he possessed anything but the rudimentary knowledge. Unless you have evidence Nai, you don't have an argument.

The only thing this oh-so-glorious Sith spirit accomplished, was getting trapped in a sith manuscript and then giving Warb Null some clearly ineffective medieval-looking armor. Whereas Atris was a Jedi historian who did extensive study and research on the force, going as far as studying a galaxies worth of accumulated Sith Lore for 5 or more years. I would say there's greater evidence of Atris having greater knowledge.

Originally posted by Borbarad
Thanks for trying to dodge the argument with some pointless ad hominem talk. Maybe you want to go check the fundamental workings of the SW universe (such as: using the force needs some focus / concentration) before holding yourself up to ridicule further. And we're not on the same page, not even in the same book if you can't even understand such basic concepts.

Thanks for clarifying to me that you have no firm grasp of fiction. You didn't have an argument. Who said using the force doesn't need focus? However there's nothing to suggest, that manipulating three lightsabers with TK is impossible. We've seen more difficult feats accomplished. The gist of your argument can be summarized as : "My opinion is the ultimate authority on all things Kotor 2?"

If you don't even show a grasp of the concept of fiction how the hell can you form a logical argument?

Allankles, you are the only one on any of these forums that doesn't know when to shut up, especially after you've been pwned for about 6 pages. Seriously, you have no argument, nor did you ever, so shut up.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
I don't see you debating at all. I see you assuming that Sadow was powerful because Kreia said the ancient sith were powerful.

No. I did just state that I don't see Kreia or the Exile defeating somebody like Sadow or Kun because she practically states that she is inferior to Sadow. There is nothing to debate here.

Except in no way can you quantify power in this situation. However we CAN compare it to others and come to the conclusion that they are not nearly as powerful as most of the SW characters.

Right dude. The next person coming up with armies of tangible illusions was...not Aleema Keto but DE Luke Skywalker on the Dark Side. And while that action alone is pretty damn impressive, Sadow apparently knew some quite uncommon techniques. Rip the spirit of a force user out of his body ? Store spirits of Jedi in Sith crystals ? Force drain ? And in addition some nice amount of Sith gimmics including his amulet. The guy with his amassed power, knowledge and tools is definetely more impressive than most "ancient" SW characters.

And what is it that he took with him to Yavin IV? Oh right, he had 1 piece of paper.

WTF ? Are you confusing Sadow with Kun or Nadd ? Apparently Sadow left an entire alchemical apparatus behind and enough knowledge to have...

a) ...Kun considering Sadow's secret a danger for him until he has finally mastered them.
b) ...the omiscient narrator saying that Kun enters "a world of Sith magic" when he discovers what Sadow left behind.

That aside from the fact that we see different books and scrolls everywhere that were apparently left behind by Sadow.

Gosh, you are one of the very few morons who not only abuse the word troll, but obviously have no concept of its meaning. I suggest you stop riding other people's nuts until you gain further understanding of that word.

Gosh, I accuse you of being a troll. You deny it and come up with more trolling. Hooray. 🙄

Originally posted by Allankles
HA! You cal it sarcasm when it's not, regardless it was irrelevant. You started by saying: "stop arguing feat wars." I'm making it clear that COMBAT feats are relevant in this assessment for obvious reasons. Are you sure you don't have some kind of reasoning deficiencies.

That bit about Ulic clearly was sarcasm as I was pointing out how feat war works. Fact: You're using the Exile's defeats of opponents that were vunerable because of the Exile's very nature and the fact that the Exile's nature as unique to put the Exile above Ulic. Why: "Because only the Exile could have done this and that" (e.g. killing Nihilus).

Now simple question for you once more: Assuming Ulic was a wound in the force and had the knowledge required to break Sion's will. Could he have repeated the Exile's feat ? Yes. Vice versa: Could the Exile have repeated Ulic's feats ? I doubt she would have managed to stalemate Kun in a fight or hold off a Jedi without any force powers.

So who's the superior combatant here ?

The Sith possessing Dovos was just some random dark spirit. There's no evidence, both in what he accomplished through Dovos and what was said about him suggest he had anywhere near as much knowledge as Atris. Atrsi was studying the generations of accumulated Jedi knowledge on Sith Lore and surrounded herself with many Sith holocrons. Dovos's spirit represents only one holocron (if at all).

Yes, logic, evidence dictates that Atris had more knowledge at her disposal and therefore was more knowledgeable in the force than some unknown random Sith spirit.

Dude. How stupid are you ? Let me do it step by step for you.

a) All Ancient Sith had access to Jedi lore as they were the descendants of former Rogue Jedi.
b) All Ancient Sith had access to Sith lore as they lived in an enviroment where it was commonly used.
c) The Sith spirit that possessed Dovos belongs to the group I named as "all ancient Sith" hence points "a" and "b" also apply to him.

Logic dictates that the Sith spirit had more knowledge because he lived in an enviroment dominated by force user far longer than Atris did study the force and especially the Dark Side. If you want to go by evidence, all that Atris does is using some force lightning. I'd say that equipping somebody with the ability to understand a foreign language instantly and then turn that non-force-sensitive metallurgic student into a fighting machine capable of taking it up with several Jedi pretty much trumps some force lightning. Which, in this case, really is something that "your average nightsister can repicate".

The random Sith spirit never possessed the knowledge of generations of accumulated Sith lore, because there is simply no evidence that he possessed anything but the rudimentary knowledge. Unless you have evidence Nai, you don't have an argument.

Right. Ancient Sith. Grew up in enviroment dominated by Sith Lore. Can't possibly have anything but "rudimentary knowledge" about said Sith Lord. Holy crap. That's the equivalent of saying that somebody who spent a century in the Jedi library on Ossus would have no idea about the Jedi order or Jedi lore. And evidence ? If you call granting somebody the ability to understand some ancient writings instantly and then turn him from some nobody into a guy that take it up with several Jedi "rudimentary knowledge" I can't really help you.

The only thing this oh-so-glorious Sith spirit accomplished, was getting trapped in a sith manuscript and then giving Warb Null some clearly ineffective medieval-looking armor. Whereas Atris was a Jedi historian who did extensive study and research on the force, going as far as studying a galaxies worth of accumulated Sith Lore for 5 or more years. I would say there's greater evidence of Atris having greater knowledge.

See above and stop boring me. A "galaxies worth of Sith Lore" ? Lmao. She had what - a dozen holocrons ? I'd really like to know how long Atris needed to study the Ancient Sith language which would have been the first step to even understand what those holocrons contained. And if all somebody can do with that uber freaking huge amount of knowledge is flooring a newly trained force user with force lightning, that knowledge can't have been too impressive or can it - at least if you consider what Kun was capable of after studying some scrolls for (according to you) some weaks.

Thanks for clarifying to me that you have no firm grasp of fiction. You didn't have an argument. Who said using the force doesn't need focus? However there's nothing to suggest, that manipulating three lightsabers with TK is impossible. We've seen more difficult feats accomplished. The gist of your argument can be summarized as : "My opinion is the ultimate authority on all things Kotor 2?"

Apparently you are still not getting the point. Of course somebody can affect more than one object with TK. That wasn't my point. My point was that wielding three lightsabers around with telekinesis in a way that results in those three sabers being more dangerous then one blade wielded by the very same force user in the regular fashion is an extremely unlikely if not impossible task. Reason: The force user would have to envision movement patterns for three lightsabers simultaneously (and coordinating two lightsabers is already reserved for the most skilled duellist - simply add another). And then the force user has to apply the TK on the lightsabers to move them exactly as he thinks they should move.

If you want something compareable: Try to do one task with your left hand, one with the right and something with one of your feet. At the same time read a book, talk with somebody about a topic not related you your movement task or the book and this while writing something to a third topic. You might consider that equal to what you suggest Kreia did while I assume she did something equivalent to juggling three balls while telling a story.

If you don't even show a grasp of the concept of fiction how the hell can you form a logical argument?

Apparently you don't have a grasp of the concept called "fiction". That something is fictional doesn't mean that "anything goes" and that rules defined for a fictional universe suddenly don't apply to that universe any longer because you don't want them to. It also doesn't mean that concepts from the real world don't apply to the fictional realm.

Now. Was that all clear enough for you or do I have to find a translator who speaks fluent moron ?

Gosh Nai, you don't have to double post your indignant lather. We all heard you, and well, I(we) don't care.