Originally posted by SamZED
They're going to fight soon? In that case BW. Avengers have been winning everything ever since the movie came out.
You didn't read War Zone #1? Steve sent her after Frank.
I doubt it. Spider-Man and Widow are just a warm-up before Black&Gold Iron Man and Thor 😎
Natasha's been pwned by drugged Daredevil in a few panels, Castle gives Matt hell every time they meet.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWYou think he needs a warm-up to beat current Thor?
You didn't read War Zone #1? Steve sent her after Frank.I doubt it. Spider-Man and Widow are just a warm-up before Black&Gold Iron Man and Thor 😎
Natasha's been pwned by drugged Daredevil in a few panels, Castle gives Matt hell every time they meet.
Didnt get to it yet, only seen the scans. What does Steve want with Punisher?
Natasha stalemated Elektra, that's easily as impressive. Then tgere's that fight with Magik. Jokes aside I do believe that Frank should take the majority.
Originally posted by SamZED
You think he needs a warm-up to beat current Thor?
My bad, he doesn't 😂
From what I heard here though, Aaron wrote a good Thor issue recently. Pangs of conscience perhaps?
Originally posted by SamZED
Didnt get to it yet, only seen the scans. Why does Steve want with Punisher?
I read it just recently, pretty good issue.
*spoilers warning*
That's the best part of the book. Even you should stop liking Spider-Man at this point. All bruised, beaten and butthurt Spidey called an Avengers meeting and complained about the Punisher, how they should bring him in (emphasizing that just sending him to a prison doesn't work), etc. Everyone but Steve ignored him, Wolverine mocked him when he saw him missing glove and webshooter.
You'd need to read at least a few recent Punisher issues to get the big picture, but long story short, Punisher's new partner shot a cop by an accident and NYPD didn't like that one bit.
Originally posted by SamZED
Natasha stalemated Elektra, that's easily as impressive. Then tgere's that fight with Magik. Jokes aside I do believe that Frank should take the majority.
Yeah, but she did that just once. Great showing nonetheless, I admit.
Forgot about that 😛 Yeah, the movie success definitely had a big influence on AvX fights...
Ugh.. I hate it when years of character development go down the toilet. Pete and Frank were never
Much of friends but they helped one another on seperate occasions and I like to think Pete doesnt see him as just another murdering scumbag. Thats not right. Now
Im definitely going to read it though. Wanna see Wolvie mock Pete.😛 Always fun to watch. Have you read the recent x-man issue? The one where Kitty was looking for a new teacher?
He's angered that Castle used his webbing (something he invented helping in his murdering spree is unacceptable for Peter) and is not sure whether he's guilty or not (for killing cops).
Wolverine and the X-Men? No, I need to catch up on this series. But I have seen some previews with Blade and GR running for a teacher position and Husk leaving. What happened exactly?
First of all, regarding the ABC stuff, BW wasn't ready for Bullseye and had never fought him before and I would discount any DD fights as serious. In their last encounter that I can think of in DD vs. Punisher. Frank basically gave up and let DD beat his brains out because he knew he couldn't beat him.
Consider that Natasha has at least 35 years of combat and firearms experience on Frank. She's physically enhanced with super soldier formulas and had people like Wolverine as teachers.
Frank's normal and in good shape but old. Natasha is pushing 90 with the body of 30 year old. I'd give this one to the widow.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Actually, I think Frank's body's been deaged somewhat?
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Yes, he's been officially rejuvenated.
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In the Ennis fight, Frank wasn't fighting back because he didn't really need to, he had Matt right where he wanted and owned him with sonics. That wasn't their last fight under that writer, either - Frank later owned Murdock again by tackling him through the window. Daredevil looked much better then, true, but Castle still prevailed.
And it's important to note that those aren't their only encounters. In Punisher's last book (by Rucka) there was a flashback of the old story of them fighting on the roof. They were pretty even, iirc.
Widow attacked handicapped Daredevil, he blocked her kick and beat her in one panel.
Re: Punisher vs Black Widow.
Originally posted by Deadline
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