Dimtri,Jedah VS Lord KAIN!!

Started by Burning thought21 pages

Originally posted by Classic NES
-Not regardless, you went through this whole mode of posting videos and constantly mentioning teleportation in a pathetic Strawman.

-He was since: A] There was no mention in time from the description other then what Kain added. B] He was not plain speaking, at all. c] Kain is seldom frank, he constantly adds romanticisms in his dialogue. I already post excerpts from site, BT. If you have the time go to youtube and look for video just to strawman. You can actually read my post and find where i posted proof. If your claiming I did not post proof, I can easily quote myself and make you look foolish as always. If your being sincere, then I repeat: Go back and read over what I said. You have time to post videos for a Strawman; then surely you must have time to actually look for evidence of something I posted already.

-Yeah, we know he's stopped in his tracks, but it has nothing to do with time. That's all I'm saying, homie. As for the sake of argument, your the on with huge double standards. You were constantly hounding me about Jedah's character, but now when Kains come in too question. You dodge and claim it's unimportant, but of course Jedah's is? You call that fair and objective, mate? You'd be lying if you said yes. I have nothing to gain from doing this, since I do not dislike Kain nor do I care too much if he wins or loses. If you could prove he has infinite energy or mastery over all said elements, I would concede. Now what would it take for you to concede, If you cannot answer or ignore said evidence when it is presented. Then you are simply too bias, it's simple debating principles.

-He's going to reform into mist and breakdown again. Is mist not subjected to gravity's laws, If Pyron becomes the size of a dwarf star. Kain will be crushed, it's as simple as that. Bats and Mist will not change that, his only chance is the reavers "dimensional Teleport

-I was waiting for you to mention that attack from Blood Omen. That's not a mental attack, Kain cast out your soul and replaces it with his. He then takes over your body, while his is protected by a shield. Indestructable, prove it, because that's easily dismissed as a game mechanic. Also, that attack is not mind control, "Charm" from Blood Omen 2 is and that's what I was reffering too.

nah, read it again, i said here in this video is shows of infnite reaver usage, teleportation etc etc, not knowing anything about a character is a bad entrance to a debate, at least have something as basic as that knowledge, i do when debating DSkers

the description is gameplay and what it does to look at, the time moment is something kain says, theres nothing potetic about saying freezing an opponent in time, your being foolish youself

Yes i was hounding on Jedahs character because of the words he was using have many uses, Destroy for example, wheras the phrase "frozen in time" doesnt have other meanings, regardless of how one says it. The proof is the tonnes of sites on my respect pagehere which has tonnes of sites for information on kains powers.

i wont concede because ive had this debate so many times, Kain cannot be defeated full stop, put it this way, if you can actually prove Demitri doesnt even gesture, has unlimtied range and has faster thought than Kain all in one, ill concede, if you can prove any of these 3 are immune to mind powers ill take that as a bonus.

if Pyron became that size, he would crush Demitri and Jedah at the same time, Jedah for one may reform, Demitri would be a gonner, Kain being crushed has no meaning, by what? the pressure of the sun is only within the thing itself, and as V2D has stated unless what he says is false, pyron is cosmic, his weight and gravity does not excist apparently which is why he doesnt have a gravity field making planets move towards him when he is large.

then what? break down the mist, Mist condenses and expands the more heat and pressure that goes through it, so youll just make more mist, then kain will reform elsware, whos to say Pyron will have a chance before hes incapacitated or soul ripped. And why the reavers dimensional, he would just teleport himself...easy, no need to use the reaver.

as it says hes protected read the spells again he is protected by a repel shield while he is using it, and as it says protects again all enemy attacks including projectiles and if you read what kain says, it reflects spells back at his enemies, making anything any of them do worthless while hes controlling one of them, isnt magic fun

his teleport is far faster than pyrons, or any of the DSers or equel to Demitris, and he doesnt even gesture in the first video, he just dispears and is gone Also mist is unhittable by a physical attack or spell, unless its fire or lightning but you would have to prove the fires heat range. Also no, as ive stated, pyron is not made up of the sun itself and his gravity does not work like this, if he has gravity at all.

sure, you may as well if i do Strawman, just make sure if ime not strawmanning dont state it 😉 like the vids, that was not a Strawman

also, dispursing kains mist if it was possible, would be like killing him, you cannot kill kain

Stupid things in this thread:
1. BT called me a fanboy, when he rides Kain's undead rotten penis and thinks he can beat Galactus and Odin.

2. Mind control is not working on either Pyron or Jedah for sure, neither have brains, and Demitri is likely resistant, it's not like mind control is an uncommon power in Makai.

3. Apparently...Kain has to blast enemies with a projectile to freeze them in time? Lol...Pyron shields himself, while Jedah just teles to other dimension, and Demitri teles.

4. People don't seem to see how fast lightspeed is. Even if Pyron was slowed, his FTL speeds would STILL make Pyron faster than Kain.

5. Apparently, Kain's character doesn't matter when brought to question over things he has said, but Jedah's does.

6. Jedah could just soul suck Kain at start of fight.

7. Soul eating is an extremely common power in Makai. I am willing to bet Demitri and Jedah are resistant to it.

Also, CN, did Bishamon have soul eating powers?

8. Pyron could end the fight by moving towards Kain at FTL, turning him to goo.

9. BT, you are acting like an idiot. You flame CN like a douche, when he hasn't flamed you once.

Originally posted by Burning thought
-nah, read it again, i said here in this video is shows of infnite reaver usage, teleportation etc etc, not knowing anything about a character is a bad entrance to a debate, at least have something as basic as that knowledge, i do when debating DSkers

-the description is gameplay and what it does to look at, the time moment is something kain says, theres nothing potetic about saying freezing an opponent in time, your being foolish youself

-I never questioned Kains Teleportation and I was talking about "Reaver Spells". Not infinite manifestation of the reaver. Why don't you take the time to read what I post?

-Except that the way he said is poetic, just like all his dialouge. Kain is not frank, he never has been known to be frank.

Originally posted by Burning thought

-Yes i was hounding on Jedahs character because of the words he was using have many uses,

Just like kains, depending on context. It's obvious that Kain is not a frank person, he uses romanticism in his dialogue. His descriptions can be described as long winded.

Originally posted by Burning thought

-Destroy for example, wheras the phrase "frozen in time" doesnt have other meanings, regardless of how one says it. The proof is the tonnes of sites on my respect pagehere which has tonnes of sites for information on kains powers.

- All of the descriptions you claimed were completely different for Destroy are synonymous. Never mind how you ignore context, in that particular sentence. Kain never said he manipulates time, he simple stated that his opponent is frozen in time.

Originally posted by Burning thought

-i wont concede because ive had this debate so many times, Kain cannot be defeated full stop, put it this way, if you can actually prove Demitri doesnt even gesture, has unlimtied range and has faster thought than Kain all in one, ill concede, if you can prove any of these 3 are immune to mind powers ill take that as a bonus.

-I did not ask you too concede, I asked you what it would take to concede.

*As for evidence, Demitri only gestures after "Midnight Bliss":

YouTube video

Notice he only bows after the touch.

*Faster thought than kain, WTF?

* Unlimited Range, he has projectiles for long range and can teleport.
Pyron can create force blast out of thin air and Teleport. They all have the same range, buddy.

Originally posted by Burning thought

-if Pyron became that size, he would crush Demitri and Jedah at the same time, Jedah for one may reform, Demitri would be a gonner, Kain being crushed has no meaning,

-by what? the pressure of the sun is only within the thing itself, and as V2D has stated unless what he says is false, pyron is cosmic, his weight and gravity does not excist apparently which is why he doesnt have a gravity field making planets move towards him when he is large.

-Except that they can Teleport away from the field or Jedah brings Demitri into Majigen.

- That's false, everything emits gravity. Especially something with that much mass. Besides, in his ending when he becomes that size. The planets get caught in his orbit.

Originally posted by Burning thought

-then what? break down the mist, Mist condenses and expands the more heat and pressure that goes through it, so youll just make more mist, then kain will reform elsware,

whos to say Pyron will have a chance before hes incapacitated or soul ripped. And why the reavers dimensional, he would just teleport himself...easy, no need to use the reaver.

-Then BFR him or consume him.

-Too bad he can only use one of the reaver spells at one time, right.

Originally posted by Burning thought

as it says hes protected [B]read
the spells again he is protected by a repel shield while he is using it, and as it says protects again all enemy attacks including projectiles and if you read what kain says, it reflects spells back at his enemies, making anything any of them do worthless while hes controlling one of them, isnt magic fun [/B]

In context of Game mechanics, using that logic. . .Demitri has no weaknesses because the plot guide says so. Therefore he cannot be hurt or lose. 🙂

Originally posted by Violent2Dope

Also, CN, did Bishamon have soul eating powers?

I doubt it, since Kien drinks blood and not souls. But, the sword can gather spirits, and create a body or use it in attacks. He's able send out ghost to possess people, and make them commit Seppaku.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope

2. Mind control is not working on either Pyron or Jedah for sure, neither have brains, and Demitri is likely resistant, it's not like mind control is an uncommon power in Makai.

The only mind control ability that Kain has is "Charmed" and it only works on the weak minds. It's been stated countless times that the only way to resist a Makai's Psychic or Psychedelic attakcs is to have a Strong mind:

If a man is confronted by a succubus, unless they have a very strong mind, they would instantly be under her spell.
A strong mind/spirit is needed to keep one self from losing their own sanity is needed.
Her stare alone can cause the lower ranking darkstalkers to be filled with fear, and she is able to deflect many kinds of mind attacks.
The moment he wore the armor, he came back to his sense's. He realizes that everything was too late and screams with the last bit of strength he has."Run......Run, Orin!!" Bishamon's mind was full of hate and accursed power.

Mind raping is nothing to a makai.

B.B. Hood isn't even a Makai, and she is immune to mind raping.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
B.B. Hood isn't even a Makai, and she is immune to mind raping.

Yeah, because if you do not have a strong mind/spirit [there the same thing, btw]. You cannot survive in or possibly even enter Makai, I don't know if it only applies to humans. But, seeing as how Makai are so proficient in mental attacks and they must deal with each other at times.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Stupid things in this thread:
1. BT called me a fanboy, when he rides Kain's undead rotten penis and thinks he can beat Galactus and Odin.

2. Mind control is not working on either Pyron or Jedah for sure, neither have brains, and Demitri is likely resistant, it's not like mind control is an uncommon power in Makai.

3. Apparently...Kain has to blast enemies with a projectile to freeze them in time? Lol...Pyron shields himself, while Jedah just teles to other dimension, and Demitri teles.

4. People don't seem to see how fast lightspeed is. Even if Pyron was slowed, his FTL speeds would STILL make Pyron faster than Kain.

5. Apparently, Kain's character doesn't matter when brought to question over things he has said, but Jedah's does.

6. Jedah could just soul suck Kain at start of fight.

7. Soul eating is an extremely common power in Makai. I am willing to bet Demitri and Jedah are resistant to it.

Also, CN, did Bishamon have soul eating powers?

8. Pyron could end the fight by moving towards Kain at FTL, turning him to goo.

9. BT, you are acting like an idiot. You flame CN like a douche, when he hasn't flamed you once.

1. never said kain beats Galactus

2. likely yeh...very likely...ime sure, according to what?

3. the projectile is like a beam to actually freeze them solid, Pyron cannot move while shielded unless weve seen him do it ofcourse, i have at least not seen him move while shielded so hell have to just sit in one place, has the shield ever reflected non-physical projectiles

4. Kains time powers lower them to a set base, as i said before demons and Raziel are set to the same speed in time lag even when Raziel is much faster than the demons, also limits are neve shown in canon

5. not in this dialogue, misconseption is a bad thing

6. Kain could just soul suck Jedah at start of the fight, also how? the only time weve seen him soul suck is when he raises his hand...in that moment Kain could also teleport/time lag or projectile him

7. your willing to bet just because its common, that holds no weight, no more than the mind one, Kain however does have resistence

8. turning him to goo, then he reforms, weve been through this 1001 times now

9. when did i flame anyone?

Originally posted by Classic NES
-I never questioned Kains Teleportation and I was talking about "Reaver Spells". Not infinite manifestation of the reaver. Why don't you take the time to read what I post?

-Except that the way he said is poetic, just like all his dialouge. Kain is not frank, he never has been known to be frank.

Just like kains, depending on context. It's obvious that Kain is not a frank person, he uses romanticism in his dialogue. His descriptions can be described as long winded.

- All of the descriptions you claimed were completely different for Destroy are synonymous. Never mind how you ignore context, in that particular sentence. Kain never said he manipulates time, he simple stated that his opponent is frozen in time.

-I did not ask you too concede, I asked you what it would take to concede.

*As for evidence, Demitri only gestures after "Midnight Bliss":

YouTube video

Notice he only bows after the touch.

*Faster thought than kain, WTF?

* Unlimited Range, he has projectiles for long range and can teleport.
Pyron can create force blast out of thin air and Teleport. They all have the same range, buddy.

-Except that they can Teleport away from the field or Jedah brings Demitri into Majigen.

- That's false, everything emits gravity. Especially something with that much mass. Besides, in his ending when he becomes that size. The planets get caught in his orbit.

-Then BFR him or consume him.

-Too bad he can only use one of the reaver spells at one time, right.

In context of Game mechanics, using that logic. . .Demitri has no weaknesses because the plot guide says so. Therefore he cannot be hurt or lose. 🙂

1. what do you mean infnite manifestatiosn of the reaver? that doesnt make sense to me, please explain....i was telling you that that video shows him using the reaver many many times to use the powers and it wasnt needing to charge it by slashing anything or draining energy like you think he does

2. yes he says his opponent is frozen in time

3. he is charged up in that battle, he needs to charge to use the move i see, also he does, he says "come on baby" and moves his arm extremely quickly, he is also at close range when doing it, their not going to be situated as the battle starts this close

faster thought than kain yes, kain thought=reaver spell, does Demetri have the ability to think faster than kain and the proof if you think he does.

*so Kain can also teleport and shoot at long range, what states unlimited range? when he seems to go up to them, it shows he has to be right near his opponent to cast the spell.

Kain could teleport to Nosgoth then "shrug"

-thats not false, when ever does Pyron have gravity, show me please, he never from what ive seen and what me and V2D have debated before has gravity ever come into this equation. When hes the size of the earth he doesnt end up having his gravity effect it, therefore he does not have any, neither does he seem to have gravity when he takes hellstorm at the beginning, theres no gravity present.

*Kain BFR them to Nosgoth, infact i may remove BFR and make it a rule that it cannot be used in these battles.

*game mechanic, theres no way in-game a character could use more than one reaver spell because when you select another reaver you lose the power of the last one, theres nothing in canon to say he cannot use more than one.

what are you saying about game mechanics and Demitri? please explain this

Originally posted by Burning thought
1. never said kain beats Galactus

2. likely yeh...very likely...ime sure, according to what?

3. the projectile is like a beam to actually freeze them solid, Pyron cannot move while shielded unless weve seen him do it ofcourse, i have at least not seen him move while shielded so hell have to just sit in one place, has the shield ever reflected non-physical projectiles

4. Kains time powers lower them to a set base, as i said before demons and Raziel are set to the same speed in time lag even when Raziel is much faster than the demons, also limits are neve shown in canon

5. not in this dialogue, misconseption is a bad thing

6. Kain could just soul suck Jedah at start of the fight, also how? the only time weve seen him soul suck is when he raises his hand...in that moment Kain could also teleport/time lag or projectile him

7. your willing to bet just because its common, that holds no weight, no more than the mind one, Kain however does have resistence

8. turning him to goo, then he reforms, weve been through this 1001 times now

9. when did i flame anyone?

1. Yes you have. But he can beat Odin?

2. The fact that you have to have a strong mind to even live in Makai.

3. Pyron can't move while shielded? Lol, now who doesn't know a thing about the character? In gameplay and even in the OVA he can move while shielded. Even so, it will not be hitting them. He will just tele behind Kain, and the homing Time Spell will freeze Kain. 🙂

4. Can you prove this?

5. But it matters in Jedah's dialogue?

6. Jedah's soul suck is also done with a gesture or raising his hand(like you said Kain's is), and his is obviously superior.

7. Okay. Then why doesn't Lord Raptor, who can soul eat multiple opponents at once, just do it? Common sense.

8. In the reforming time, Jedah or Demitri eat his soul, or Pyron absorbs him.

9. The multiple times you called CN a fanboy and when you called me one.

Originally posted by Burning thought

-what do you mean infnite manifestatiosn of the reaver? that doesnt make sense to me, please explain....i was telling you that that video shows him using the reaver many many times to use the powers and it wasnt needing to charge it by slashing anything or draining energy like you think he does

-yes he says his opponent is frozen in time

-That's great that your finally posting proof, but I was not talking about him just using the reaver. I was talking about him using the "Reaver Spells" and how it takes energy to use, buddy. He didn't use any reaver spells that I know of except maybe Teleportation, but it sure as hell does not compare to the "Dimensional Teleport Blitz" he does in "Defiance".

-He didn't necessarily mean literally frozen in time, buddy. It's like a figure of speech, which is commonly used to discribe pictures or paintings. We know Kain is a very wordy individual, So, we can question it like you did with Jedah. Why can't his character be questioned, Bt?

Originally posted by Burning thought

- he is charged up in that battle, he needs to charge to use the move i see, also he does, he says "come on baby" and moves his arm extremely quickly, he is also at close range when doing it, their not going to be situated as the battle starts this close

-faster thought than kain yes, kain thought=reaver spell, does Demetri have the ability to think faster than kain and the proof if you think he does.

-He doesn't have to say "C'mon Baby" to do the move; That's quite stupid even from you, BT. The charge is a game mechanic, seeing how the move does not start until he touches you. All he has to do is touch you, and he doesn't have to extend his arm to touch you the exact sameway he does in the video. 😬

He just teleports and Touches kain. [Game-Over]

-All brain impulses are assumed to be the same. I'm sure Kain can react to Instantaneous teleportation, but he's fighting three people, BT. Your Telling me that he won't get touched by Demitri along the lines?

Originally posted by Burning thought

*so Kain can also teleport and shoot at long range, what states unlimited range? when he seems to go up to them, it shows he has to be right near his opponent to cast the spell.

Kain could teleport to Nosgoth then "shrug"

-I never said "Midnight Bliss" has unlimited range, I said his projectile has long range. Furthermore, everyone can teleport in this bout. Kains isn't gonna really give him an advantage.

-Except that Kains main long range teleportation ability is turning into bats. Gravity still works on Bats last time I checked.

Originally posted by Burning thought

-thats not false, when ever does Pyron have gravity, show me please. . .

Worst post ever, but here:

Originally posted by Burning thought

-Kain BFR them to Nosgoth,

-infact i may remove BFR and make it a rule that it cannot be used in these battles..

-How does Kain do that?

-Just so Kain can not be BFR, how non-Bias.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1. Yes you have. But he can beat Odin?

2. The fact that you have to have a strong mind to even live in Makai.

3. Pyron can't move while shielded? Lol, now who doesn't know a thing about the character? In gameplay and even in the OVA he can move while shielded. Even so, it will not be hitting them. He will just tele behind Kain, and the homing Time Spell will freeze Kain. 🙂

4. Can you prove this?

5. But it matters in Jedah's dialogue?

6. Jedah's soul suck is also done with a gesture or raising his hand(like you said Kain's is), and his is obviously superior.

7. Okay. Then why doesn't Lord Raptor, who can soul eat multiple opponents at once, just do it? Common sense.

8. In the reforming time, Jedah or Demitri eat his soul, or Pyron absorbs him.

9. The multiple times you called CN a fanboy and when you called me one.

1. depends, i dont know too much on Odin but it depends on these factors

A: can he take souls
B: can he protect himself from soul taking

2. that doesnt mean they have resistence to mind attacks outright....also resistence does not=immunity, also why would kain use mind attacks

3. it wont be hitting him, kain can also tele, his not getting hit by his own bolt, also the speed of the bolt is unkown, all we know is that theres a bolt that is homing, wether it moves at light speed or snail pace who knows, maybe the bolt is just as instant neither can be proven unless you can ofcourse? Also pyrons momentum build up will work against him, just as pyron moves kain has fired the bolt, pyron blasts at him at full speed and goes straight into the bolt.

4. probably not, if i cant find a video and so far ive looked and there are rare videos for time powers if any at all, but it cannot be disproven either, youd have to take my word for it like i take yours and Classics on how that FAQ is apparently a Japanese guide translated 🙂

5. sure, because first can you show me any more dialogue of Jedahs, and Jedah as ive said before is using loose terms like Destroy, wheras Kain is quite accurate by saying "frozen in time" ofcourse, its poetic liecense because it cant possibly be a bolt that can freeze kains opponents in time.

6. diffrence being he has no time powers to help him, while frozen he wont be able to do anything so much as a gesture or while hes under the power of inspire hate and kills Demitri and Pyron...

7. you cannot bring a point like that up, it could be many diffrent things like PIS or CIS, cant just assume because he doesnt do it, its must be innefective, thats not a good debatable point

8. neither will happen since before any of them move theres a time lapse round him and Jedah could possibly be in Shackles, also who says theres a reforming time, even if he uses the slower bats reform time he reforms in seconds.

9. i said you make fanboyish remarks, at least to Classic

Where the hell is pyrons ending?

EDIT:

Fvcking finally:

http://www.vgmuseum.com/end/arcade/d/nwpyr.htm

See how those planets orbit around his fingers, that because of gravity.

I think it's rather obvious whose won this debate. We all should move on now.

Originally posted by Classic NES

-That's great that your finally posting proof, but I was not talking about him just using the reaver. I was talking about him using the "Reaver Spells" and how it takes energy to use, buddy. He didn't use any reaver spells that I know of except maybe Teleportation, but it sure as hell does not compare to the "Dimensional Teleport Blitz" he does in "Defiance".

-He didn't necessarily mean literally frozen in time, buddy. It's like a figure of speech, which is commonly used to discribe pictures or paintings. We know Kain is a very wordy individual, So, we can question it like you did with Jedah. Why can't his character be questioned, Bt?

-He doesn't have to say "C'mon Baby" to do the move; That's quite stupid even from you, BT. The charge is a game mechanic, seeing how the move does not start until he touches you. All he has to do is touch you, and he doesn't have to extend his arm to touch you the exact sameway he does in the video. 😬

He just teleports and Touches kain. [Game-Over]

-All brain impulses are assumed to be the same. I'm sure Kain can react to Instantaneous teleportation, but he's fighting three people, BT. Your Telling me that he won't get touched by Demitri along the lines?

-I never said "Midnight Bliss" has unlimited range, I said his projectile has long range. Furthermore, everyone can teleport in this bout. Kains isn't gonna really give him an advantage.

-Except that Kains main long range teleportation ability is turning into bats. Gravity still works on Bats last time I checked.

Worst post ever, but here:

-How does Kain do that?

-Just so Kain can not be BFR, how non-Bias.

-gameplay mechanic, Demitris charging=game mechanic? so does kains soul reaver charging then, see whos the hypocrite?

- ill drop the point, i know what i know to be true so i suppose you can belive waht you like until youve played the games, all we know is that it puts a being in stasis for a fact, what i know is that its time but if your not going to be convinced i wont waste time on this one small point.

- ah i see a game mechanic, read above then, if thats a game mechanic, so is kains reaver charges...snap! 😄

nah not really, as he teleports kain could easily cast repel shield, then the next few attacks that hit him are reflected, Midnight bliss turns Demetri female and helpless, Jedah rips out his own soul. Pyron who just starts getting momenum ends up frozen...your rite, game over....

its not as simple as just because hes fighting 3 people hes not going to get touched, he has teleport, he has mist, he has bats, he has so many ways to escape a bunch up and so many support powers to stop them in their tracks, take their souls or powers to protect himself outright. He has all their attacks OR he has a protecton or ability to stop them or defeat the attack, Jedah for example is not going to raise his hand or anything while being thrown with TK, all Kain needs is one arm for this, he doesnt use both arms to cast freeze time or Repel shield so right there, thats him winning in the time it takes for either of them to attack him.

worst post? not really, how is it, we can see in his beginning that gravity is not affecting him, we can see him right next to the earth at one point and is quite large, gravity is not being affected, if he was affected by gravity in this way, he wouldnt be able to absorb like he usually does, planets and objects would ned up smashing into him, another fact is that when the space satellite orbiting is not sucked into his gravity, hes massive at that point about to take the earth yet their not taken by gravity.

he uses the dimension reaver, look on the respect page, its now all about kain so it should be easy to find, all about reavers and the pillars, and how he enchants his reaver with the emblems of the pillars, among them is the dimensions reavers power to move into dimensions, and summon things from other dimensions.

Originally posted by Classic NES
Where the hell is pyrons ending?

EDIT:

Fvcking finally:

http://www.vgmuseum.com/end/arcade/d/nwpyr.htm

See how those planets orbit around his fingers, that because of gravity.

if they were orbiting through gravity they would not be going round his fingers, his main body mass would be pulling them into him, the planets would either go into his body or orbit his main body especially being that close to him.

Kain standing a chance against Odin reminds me of this:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=7370139&highlight=kain+tribunal#post7370139

Originally posted by Burning thought
if they were orbiting through gravity they would not be going round his fingers, his main body mass would be pulling them into him, the planets would either go into his body or orbit his main body especially being that close to him.
Not necessarily true, the his fingers are bigger than the planets. He could be standin back while puttin his fingers close to the planets and his fingers are the one with the gravitational pull.

Basically, his fingers are closer to the planets then his entire body, so that's why the planets orbit his fingers.

And probably the fact that planets orbit his finger because he wants them to and with his powers he can make them.

Originally posted by Classic NES
Kain standing a chance against Odin reminds me of this:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=7370139&highlight=kain+tribunal#post7370139

not my fault i dont know this particulour character, like you dont know kain....

can Odin delete beings from excistence?

Originally posted by Burning thought
-gameplay mechanic, Demitris charging=game mechanic? so does kains soul reaver charging then, see whos the hypocrite?

Demitri's charging has nothing to do with the move, it's just theatrics for the sake of gameplay. The reaver feeds on souls, you can say that souls are intrinsic to it's power. What does charging and saying "C'mon Baby" have to do with Demitri's power?

Your being a spiteful is really cute, but if you want to limit "Midnight Bliss" then okay. Kain will still have too charge in the debate. Also, at close range there is no charge in-game. So, you can keep the charge, because it does not change the fact that he can Teleport and Midnight Bliss.

Originally posted by Burning thought

- ill drop the point, i know what i know to be true so i suppose you can belive waht you like until youve played the games, all we know is that it puts a being in stasis for a fact, what i know is that its time but if your not going to be convinced i wont waste time on this one small point.

- ah i see a game mechanic, read above then, if thats a game mechanic, so is kains reaver charges...snap! 😄

-I've played the games as well, just pointing out your bias.

-Go ahead, that will limit Kain as well and Demitri will stay the same. 🙂

Originally posted by Burning thought

nah not really, as he teleports kain could easily cast repel shield, then the next few attacks that hit him are reflected, Midnight bliss turns Demetri female and helpless, Jedah rips out his own soul. Pyron who just starts getting momenum ends up frozen...your rite, game over....

Except that casting "Inspire Hate" would lead to everyone fighting. Repel shield can reflect abstract curses, since when? Pyron could easily dodge.

Originally posted by Burning thought

-its not as simple as just because hes fighting 3 people hes not going to get touched, he has teleport, he has mist, he has bats, he has so many ways to escape a bunch up

-and so many support powers to stop them in their tracks, take their souls or powers to protect himself outright.

-He has all their attacks OR he has a protecton or ability to stop them or defeat the attack, Jedah for example is not going to raise his hand or anything while being thrown with TK, all Kain needs is one arm for this, he doesnt use both arms to cast freeze time or Repel shield so right there, thats him winning in the time it takes for either of them to attack him.

-Bats cannot be touched, LOL. They can teleport as well, you forget? They'll just track him, and most of the team can sense presence of Kain and hunt him like a little punk. Mist won't stop Jedah from sucking his soul from the mist.

-Most of them can do the same.

-While Jedah is being held, Pyron will instantly teleport to space and crush the planet by augmenting his size. Demitri teleports to Kains face and "Midnight Bliss".

Originally posted by Burning thought

-worst post? not really, how is it, we can see in his beginning that gravity is not affecting him, we can see him right next to the earth at one point and is quite large, gravity is not being affected, if he was affected by gravity in this way,

he wouldnt be able to absorb like he usually does, planets and objects would ned up smashing into him, another fact is that when the space satellite orbiting is not sucked into his gravity, hes massive at that point about to take the earth yet their not taken by gravity.

-This is so stupid, Pyron can fly. So, he has a method of escpaing the gravitational pull. So, of course planets will not do anything to him.

-What satelite, point to it. Because I do not see anything that reseembles that.

Originally posted by Burning thought

-he uses the dimension reaver, look on the respect page, its now all about kain so it should be easy to find, all about reavers and the pillars, and how he enchants his reaver with the emblems of the pillars, among them is the dimensions reavers power to move into dimensions, and summon things from other dimensions.

Don't need it.

Hypocritical post of the year:

Originally posted by Burning thought
not my fault i dont know this particulour character, like you dont know kain....
Originally posted by Burning thought

can Odin delete beings from excistence?