Dimtri,Jedah VS Lord KAIN!!

Originally posted by Classic NES
Demitri's charging has nothing to do with the move, it's just theatrics for the sake of gameplay. The reaver feeds on souls, you can say that souls are intrinsic to it's power. What does charging and saying "C'mon Baby" have to do with Demitri's power?

Your being a spiteful is really cute, but if you want to limit "Midnight Bliss" then okay. Kain will still have too charge in the debate. Also, at close range there is no charge in-game. So, you can keep the charge, because it does not change the fact that he can Teleport and Midnight Bliss.

-I've played the games as well, just pointing out your bias.

-Go ahead, that will limit Kain as well and Demitri will stay the same. 🙂

Except that casting "Inspire Hate" would lead to everyone fighting. Repel shield can reflect abstract curses, since when? Pyron could easily dodge.

-Bats cannot be touched, LOL. They can teleport as well, you forget? They'll just track him, and most of the team can sense presence of Kain and hunt him like a little punk. Mist won't stop Jedah from sucking his soul from the mist.

-Most of them can do the same.

-While Jedah is being held, Pyron will instantly teleport to space and crush the planet by augmenting his size. Demitri teleports to Kains face and "Midnight Bliss".

1. the power of the reaver is souls, the only need for the reaver is for Raziel inside the blade to keep well fed, theres nothing that states that he loses all his power however after one use, the reaver has been known to still be active and alive after thousands of years of starvation..the reavers charge is gameplay mechanic, and this is obvious since for balance if that did not happen, you would be even more unbeatable.

2. ime not limiting anything, midnight bliss needs charging...if its a game mechanic then its as much as one as reaver charging, in which case their both dropped to no charge because this is not a gameplay fight.

3. all the games? you seem not to have much knowledge on it then do you, since you did not know Kain could teleport without the reaver...

4. what do you mean abstract curses? also Repel simply reflects spells and physical attacks, the only limitation to it is what spite mongers put on it, its shown no weakness to attacks and while kain has it on, he is immune while the attacks are reflected back.

5. no bats cannot teleport, i was simply saying the bats can certainly be a way of escaping and his transition is fast, also theres thousands of bats all over the place youd never kill them all but thats not the point, as i said he can escape a bunch up with teleport simply. No mist wont stop Jedah, repel will, and its repel that could be the end of Jedah, who ofcourse cannot od anything trapped in TK

6. not neccerily how it will be, in process of teleportation Kain could easily of already dimension moved to Nosgoth in escape but thats unncecery, he would simply take pyrons soul or slow time so that as soon as pyron appears, Kain is there and Pyron is slowed in the flow, then gets his soul taken or is put in 100% stasis, Demitri teleporting near kain is a doom to himself, straight into the time lapse, where his hand reaching out to touch kain is slowed and kain laughs then imapales Demitri or takes his soul via soul death.

7. looking again it looks more of a earth base, but the argument isnt that Pyron would fall into the planet, its the planet that would be moving into him.

Originally posted by Burning thought
-the power of the reaver is souls, the only need for the reaver is for Raziel inside the blade to keep well fed, theres nothing that states that he loses all his power however after one use, the reaver has been known to still be active and alive after thousands of years of starvation..the reavers charge is gameplay mechanic, and this is obvious since for balance if that did not happen, you would be even more unbeatable.

-ime not limiting anything, midnight bliss needs charging...if its a game mechanic then its as much as one as reaver charging, in which case their both dropped to no charge because this is not a gameplay fight.

-Once again, I'm not talking about his ability to use the reaver itself. Just the spells which call on the emblems magic. Your theory about the reaver at the end of the series is conjecture. We do not know the specifics because the series has ended. Unless, you have proof of course.

- Why the change of heart, you were dead aim at trying to force that charge as a restriction. We can both keep our charge, it makes zero difference to me. . .Oh, but I guess you would have to admit that Kain cannot continuously use the spells of the reaver without energy charge. It's not a mechanic, because it's been stated that the reaver needs to feed for power.

Originally posted by Burning thought

- all the games? you seem not to have much knowledge on it then do you, since you did not know Kain could teleport without the reaver...

- what do you mean abstract curses?

-also Repel simply reflects spells and physical attacks, the only limitation to it is what spite mongers put on it, its shown no weakness to attacks and while kain has it on, he is immune while the attacks are reflected back.

-Never stated all the games, Buddy.

-My bad, I meant how can he reflect a curse that is based on touch?
I've seen him reflect energy bolts or blades. But, a spell that transform you through touch? If he has a field, Demitri cannot touch him, it's not something that can be sent back. Besides, demitri could most likely turn himself back. 😬

Originally posted by Burning thought

-no bats cannot teleport, i was simply saying the bats can certainly be a way of escaping and his transition is fast,

-also theres thousands of bats all over the place youd never kill them all but thats not the point,

-No mist wont stop Jedah, repel will, and its repel that could be the end of Jedah, who ofcourse cannot od anything trapped in TK

-They would all be killed by Pyrons Gravity.

-Lol, Demitri creates thousand of flaming bats that kill Kains bats.

- How can he repel vacuum force, that makes no sense.

Originally posted by Burning thought

- not neccerily how it will be, in process of teleportation Kain could easily of already dimension moved to Nosgoth in escape but thats unncecery, he would simply take pyrons soul or slow time so that as soon as pyron appears, Kain is there and Pyron is slowed in the flow, then gets his soul taken or is put in 100% stasis, Demitri teleporting near kain is a doom to himself, straight into the time lapse, where his hand reaching out to touch kain is slowed and kain laughs then imapales Demitri or takes his soul via soul death.

-None of that would happen because Kain cannot do all of said things to Pyron before the other two attack. They will evade all his reaver spells with it's lame range or counter long distance with projectiles. Hell, Jedah can suck his soul while he's busy with Pyron or Pyron absorbs the reavers energy. Impale demitri, when a Hyperspace arrow that shattered Time/Space could not?

Originally posted by Burning thought

7. looking again it looks more of a earth base, but the argument isnt that Pyron would fall into the planet, its the planet that would be moving into him.

That depends on Pyrons positioning, buddy.

Kain looks like a green raisin. He still loses.

Originally posted by Burning thought
1. depends, i dont know too much on Odin but it depends on these factors

A: can he take souls
B: can he protect himself from soul taking

2. that doesnt mean they have resistence to mind attacks outright....also resistence does not=immunity, also why would kain use mind attacks

3. it wont be hitting him, kain can also tele, his not getting hit by his own bolt, also the speed of the bolt is unkown, all we know is that theres a bolt that is homing, wether it moves at light speed or snail pace who knows, maybe the bolt is just as instant neither can be proven unless you can ofcourse? Also pyrons momentum build up will work against him, just as pyron moves kain has fired the bolt, pyron blasts at him at full speed and goes straight into the bolt.

4. probably not, if i cant find a video and so far ive looked and there are rare videos for time powers if any at all, but it cannot be disproven either, youd have to take my word for it like i take yours and Classics on how that FAQ is apparently a Japanese guide translated 🙂

5. sure, because first can you show me any more dialogue of Jedahs, and Jedah as ive said before is using loose terms like Destroy, wheras Kain is quite accurate by saying "frozen in time" ofcourse, its poetic liecense because it cant possibly be a bolt that can freeze kains opponents in time.

6. diffrence being he has no time powers to help him, while frozen he wont be able to do anything so much as a gesture or while hes under the power of inspire hate and kills Demitri and Pyron...

7. you cannot bring a point like that up, it could be many diffrent things like PIS or CIS, cant just assume because he doesnt do it, its must be innefective, thats not a good debatable point

8. neither will happen since before any of them move theres a time lapse round him and Jedah could possibly be in Shackles, also who says theres a reforming time, even if he uses the slower bats reform time he reforms in seconds.

9. i said you make fanboyish remarks, at least to Classic

2. Ummm...yeah it does. Hell, even B.B. Hood, a human, is immune to mind attacks. Also, how powerful is Kain's Mind powers?

3. Pyron can fly FTL, you still have yet to prove he has to build momentum(and don't tell me to prove he doesn't, can't prove a negative, and burden of proof is on you). Pyron can tele also.

4. No, give me proof. Those are stated to be based on info from the games and the DS sourcebook, learn Japanese and buy it if you want better.

5. I could get some quotes from Jedah if you want. Jedah is not one to exaggerrate, the only time he breaks his composure are on brief fits of insanity. Also, destroy's different meanings were all synonyms.

6. Too bad it won't hit any of them.

7. They are commonplace in Makai. One can make a logical deduction that Makai beings have varying degrees of resistance to soul sucking...matter of fact, that's already been said, the average Makai soul has 10 times more power than what it takes to bust earth, their souls are far stronger than normal ones, and Demitri and Jedah are not average Makai. 🙂

8. Pathetically ranged time lapse, and isn't it a projectile? Right. It takes less that a second for Pyron to throw Kain to the other side of the universe, for Jedah to raise his hand and eat his soul, or for Demitri to initiate Midnight Bliss.

9. Right, because saying Kain will evolve to be more powerful than LT isn't fanboyish at all. 🙄

Originally posted by Classic NES
-Once again, I'm not talking about his ability to use the reaver itself. Just the spells which call on the emblems magic. Your theory about the reaver at the end of the series is conjecture. We do not know the specifics because the series has ended. Unless, you have proof of course.

- Why the change of heart, you were dead aim at trying to force that charge as a restriction. We can both keep our charge, it makes zero difference to me. . .Oh, but I guess you would have to admit that Kain cannot continuously use the spells of the reaver without energy charge. It's not a mechanic, because it's been stated that the reaver needs to feed for power.

-Never stated all the games, Buddy.

-My bad, I meant how can he reflect a curse that is based on touch?
I've seen him reflect energy bolts or blades. But, a spell that transform you through touch? If he has a field, Demitri cannot touch him, it's not something that can be sent back. Besides, demitri could most likely turn himself back. 😬

-They would all be killed by Pyrons Gravity.

-Lol, Demitri creates thousand of flaming bats that kill Kains bats.

- How can he repel vacuum force, that makes no sense.

-None of that would happen because Kain cannot do all of said things to Pyron before the other two attack. They will evade all his reaver spells with it's lame range or counter long distance with projectiles. Hell, Jedah can suck his soul while he's busy with Pyron or Pyron absorbs the reavers energy. Impale demitri, when a Hyperspace arrow that shattered Time/Space could not?

That depends on Pyrons positioning, buddy.

1. kain has to charge the reaver yes, ive already admited that, the soul reaver on the other hand, nopes, hes not using the blood reaver in this battle

2. neither did i say you did, ime asking you if youve played "all" the games which is why theres a question mark.

3. how can he reflect a curse, its either magic or physical either way and it will be reflected, the magic will be reflected back of the attack, hits by swords are still physical just like a touch is physical, magic as kain says are reflected back on opponents, the magic that Demitri uses for his Midnight bliss=reflected, and now your falling again, you actually debate well for a moment but then you say something like Demitri could most likely turn himself back...well so could kain then 🙄 according to what, apprently the spell turns you into a defenceless human female, Demitri will lose his power.

4. since when does gravity outright kill you, pressure kills a human of body and blood, and as i said, you cannot kill kain, only stop him, and no even i have to defend DS there since his gravity would not kill Jedah either.

killl kains bats, the bats are of kain so no that would be like killing him, thats if they were normal bats, their shadow bats, proof of this is that first of all their all completly dark and transparent if you watch, as well as being able to move through walls to reform kain.

what do you mean vaccume force? with a wave of his hand Kain can have Jedah in shackles at the same time as with his other hand casting Repel, he only needs one hand for each power.

5. What do you mean all of said things, Kain will be in the repel shield with Jedah in TK, Demitri is likely going to be female by now since hes tried to Midnight bliss, then the physical nature of Pyrons attack will simply smash him, or Kain would dimension warp to Nosgoth to escape an attack. Stating their lame ranged over and over doesnt mean anything, their range is so much more than Demitris Midnight bliss and thats a touch, not lame though is it? also his reaver spells are in an area around him, if he activated time reaver, demitri teleporting into him will slow him to a crawl, same with pyron who just teleported to him will be in a crawl to do something. Since when can pyron suck souls?, ive already argued this, Jedah will be sucking his own soul out due to the repel shield, and the fact hell be in TK shackles also negates this. The DS have no chance before kain. Hyperspace arrow that shatters time and space? all ive heard is that it broke the dimensions boundry nothing about time and space, can you show me this, also that was Demitri at the beginning before weakened by this attack, he would be a lot weaker in DS now.

6. Pyrons position was directly over the planet, same with Helstorm, if he had gravity, the planet would be slowly be moving in his direction, especially at that close, something would certainly be going itno him, theres nothing to state pyron has gravity nor that he plays by the same rules of it consisdering he can apprently go faster than light.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Not sure, but he can fly at speeds that make Superman look slow, and throw Kain to the moon.

2. Ummm...yeah it does. Hell, even B.B. Hood, a human, is immune to mind attacks. Also, how powerful is Kain's Mind powers?

3. Pyron can fly FTL, you still have yet to prove he has to build momentum(and don't tell me to prove he doesn't, can't prove a negative, and burden of proof is on you). Pyron can tele also.

4. No, give me proof. Those are stated to be based on info from the games and the DS sourcebook, learn Japanese and buy it if you want better.

5. I could get some quotes from Jedah if you want. Jedah is not one to exaggerrate, the only time he breaks his composure are on brief fits of insanity. Also, destroy's different meanings were all synonyms

6. Too bad it won't hit any of them.

7. They are commonplace in Makai. One can make a logical deduction that Makai beings have varying degrees of resistance to soul sucking...matter of fact, that's already been said, the average Makai soul has 10 times more power than what it takes to bust earth, their souls are far stronger than normal ones, and Demitri and Jedah are not average Makai. 🙂

8. Pathetically ranged time lapse, and isn't it a projectile? Right. It takes less that a second for Pyron to throw Kain to the other side of the universe, for Jedah to raise his hand and eat his soul, or for Demitri to initiate Midnight Bliss.

9. Right, because saying Kain will evolve to be more powerful than LT isn't fanboyish at all. 🙄

1. i see and apprently speed means everything

2. well hes enhanced many times, first pwoers he steals from Marcus who can mind control large groups of humans completly, then hes sort of enhanced by taking Magnus blood, not really mind control but its sort of a mind power, he just seems to focus and enemies combust and explode from inside out. The most powerful enhancement is probably the mind emblem from the pillars which have the power of the mind pillar which governs the very force of the mind itself, although its exact power is unkown, you would have to prove pretty good resistances to stop kains powers.

3. no have not to prove anything, ive shown you 1000 times already in that scan, he moves a fair distance from the Earth to build up his momentum before he actually goes at some speeds, not to menstion weve never seen him fight eitther at FTL, not even close to light, so your assuming. All these can tele, saying pyron can tele is not new.....

4. well no give me proof its japanese translated, go and play the LOK games and find out if you want better, see it doenst work does it, using your own silly arguement against you.

5. yes please, and Kain is not one to exaggerate, when has he ever exagerated, hes never done such and speaking poetically doesnt mean anything considering his time period, what that speach in the game is a turotial on waht the spell is, if hes lieing randomly somehow and using "poetic license" (lol) then its purpose would not be met, theres more evidence backing up kains phrase he uses to be false wheras Jedahs Destroy that has many "as you wish" sysnonyms on it is more suspect, especially since its an uncannon ending as well.

6. what wont hit any of them, if any of them try and close the range with kain their going into his field of time reaver which will make them slow, if he teleports next to them, the same effect, imediatley Jedah and Demitri lose, and same if Pyron teleports near kain, their sunk, with a wave of his hand Jedah is unable to do anything while with his other hand he can put a shield around himself that can reflect their feeble efforts, then all he has to do is beat pyron, thats if he doesnt want to use inspire hate to make them all kill eachother while he teleports away and goes invicible somewhere.

7. this has yet to be proven that their souls themselves are of that power, this has never been shown at all.....also going by your logical deduction kain has resistence to all their abilities apart from maybe midnight bliss, since all these types of magic are fairly common in Nosgoth, even used by humans.

8. Projectile is the one that completley freezes them in time, the lag is the reaver spell that is not projectile based, you call it pathetic simply because Classic is, good one for having your own opinion, "lets all jump on the bandwagan woooo" go find out information for youself i say, his range is more than enough to reach them, especialyl since pyron is so large so hes sunk already, and one teleport and hes next to Demitri or Jedah but thats unncecery, TK and Repel shield ftw. You mean for Jedah to raise his hand to take his own soul and no bs, midnight bliss is a touch, or is definatley close range, takes a lot more time than a second, same with Pyron throwing kain across the universe, Kain does not have that durability, if he hit kain with that he would turn to mush and reform, going nowhere, not to menstion Pyron will not be hitting kain any time soon and if he did, hed go flying off into space himself when he strikes kains repel shield, it doesnt just work on Magic.

9. at least i had a reason of ignorence, you on the other hand are a pyron fan and you were going on for ages about how he is the size of andromeda from that poor picture, lmao...and this wasnt too long ago either, DK showed your foolishness as well, wheras i was ignorent over a year ago.

these DSers wont touch kain, within the time it takes for them to ready any of their skills, Kain has long range powers that can take them out of action, Jedah TK shackles, his repel shield to repel their spells back onto them, and if he got splattered reform ftw, by the time he gets splattered its likely the only ones who can make use of it would be incapacited, as i said, jedah in shackles, Demitri Midnight bliss himself, or has his soul ripped out. And playing on the fact their projectiles means nothing, theyll be running around the battlefield trying to escape and teleporting while kain has free reign to take advantage. OR as i said before, if he doesnt want to get his hands dirty, Inspire hate to make them kill eachother, Jedah will probably pocket dimension his allies.

They're just normal bats dude, the game was poorly made. That's all.

Originally posted by HonkyTonkMan
They're just normal bats dude, the game was poorly made. That's all.

stop trolling please or ill report

Trolling is viewed as different things by different people.

I personally did not see how what he said was trolling. I think he had every right to say that, regardless of whether or not it's correct.

Originally posted by Sado-sama
Trolling is viewed as different things by different people.

I personally did not see how what he said was trolling. I think he had every right to say that, regardless of whether or not it's correct.

then if hes not trolling in here, hes certainly using proofless debating Tact, quality of games can be brought into so many debates, for example DS characters cannot move left or right lol....their 2D

Yup, people can make bs claims as much as they want. They won't be setting a good reputation for themselves. At the same time they would not be trolling unless they were bashing members or spamming irrelevant crap.

Demitri wins due to the fact that he has spikey hair, and Jedah is purple, not to mention all of their godly feats which consist of......of ........umm ...........err .......uh ..........umm ............hmm ......uh .....................n-n-n-o-t-h-i-n-g-?.....wait....did I just say that? haermm

Originally posted by Sado-sama
Yup, people can make bs claims as much as they want. They won't be setting a good reputation for themselves. At the same time they would not be trolling unless they were bashing members or spamming irrelevant crap.

Demitri wins due to the fact that he has spikey hair, and Jedah is purple, not to mention all of their godly feats which consist of......of ........umm ...........err .......uh ..........umm ............hmm ......uh .....................n-n-n-o-t-h-i-n-g-?.....wait....did I just say that? haermm

😆 i would even prefer that to "pyron wins because its common sense" durlaugh, damn i wish i hadnt lost my common sense otherwise i would know that, silly me

Originally posted by Burning thought
then if hes not trolling in here, hes certainly using proofless debating Tact, quality of games can be brought into so many debates, for example DS characters cannot move left or right lol....their 2D

🙄

Uhhhh 'kay.....
What are you gonna be doing next, saying the glitches in the game are Kains feats? "Kain can enter a dimension where enemies can't hurt him" when you've glitched through the ground or a wall. Cool.

Originally posted by HonkyTonkMan
🙄

Uhhhh 'kay.....
What are you gonna be doing next, saying the glitches in the game are Kains feats? "Kain can enter a dimension where enemies can't hurt him" when you've glitched through the ground or a wall. Cool.

hm..no...that doesnt happen in the games....

I beg to differ, I have fallen through the ground before and jumped through a pillar in Soul Reaver.

M'kay, we're not going to use glame glitches in debates.

Originally posted by HonkyTonkMan
I beg to differ, I have fallen through the ground before and jumped through a pillar in Soul Reaver.

well exactley, a system bug then because it doesnt happen to me, infact i have not got stuck in a wall or something in any games for ages, the last one i remember was GTA 3 but thats about it

which is why game errors cannot be brought into this battle for any party or any side of the debate

Originally posted by Burning thought
1. i see and apprently speed means everything

2. well hes enhanced many times, first pwoers he steals from Marcus who can mind control large groups of humans completly, then hes sort of enhanced by taking Magnus blood, not really mind control but its sort of a mind power, he just seems to focus and enemies combust and explode from inside out. The most powerful enhancement is probably the mind emblem from the pillars which have the power of the mind pillar which governs the very force of the mind itself, although its exact power is unkown, you would have to prove pretty good resistances to stop kains powers.

3. no have not to prove anything, ive shown you 1000 times already in that scan, he moves a fair distance from the Earth to build up his momentum before he actually goes at some speeds, not to menstion weve never seen him fight eitther at FTL, not even close to light, so your assuming. All these can tele, saying pyron can tele is not new.....

4. well no give me proof its japanese translated, go and play the LOK games and find out if you want better, see it doenst work does it, using your own silly arguement against you.

5. yes please, and Kain is not one to exaggerate, when has he ever exagerated, hes never done such and speaking poetically doesnt mean anything considering his time period, what that speach in the game is a turotial on waht the spell is, if hes lieing randomly somehow and using "poetic license" (lol) then its purpose would not be met, theres more evidence backing up kains phrase he uses to be false wheras Jedahs Destroy that has many "as you wish" sysnonyms on it is more suspect, especially since its an uncannon ending as well.

6. what wont hit any of them, if any of them try and close the range with kain their going into his field of time reaver which will make them slow, if he teleports next to them, the same effect, imediatley Jedah and Demitri lose, and same if Pyron teleports near kain, their sunk, with a wave of his hand Jedah is unable to do anything while with his other hand he can put a shield around himself that can reflect their feeble efforts, then all he has to do is beat pyron, thats if he doesnt want to use inspire hate to make them all kill eachother while he teleports away and goes invicible somewhere.

7. this has yet to be proven that their souls themselves are of that power, this has never been shown at all.....also going by your logical deduction kain has resistence to all their abilities apart from maybe midnight bliss, since all these types of magic are fairly common in Nosgoth, even used by humans.

8. Projectile is the one that completley freezes them in time, the lag is the reaver spell that is not projectile based, you call it pathetic simply because Classic is, good one for having your own opinion, "lets all jump on the bandwagan woooo" go find out information for youself i say, his range is more than enough to reach them, especialyl since pyron is so large so hes sunk already, and one teleport and hes next to Demitri or Jedah but thats unncecery, TK and Repel shield ftw. You mean for Jedah to raise his hand to take his own soul and no bs, midnight bliss is a touch, or is definatley close range, takes a lot more time than a second, same with Pyron throwing kain across the universe, Kain does not have that durability, if he hit kain with that he would turn to mush and reform, going nowhere, not to menstion Pyron will not be hitting kain any time soon and if he did, hed go flying off into space himself when he strikes kains repel shield, it doesnt just work on Magic.

9. at least i had a reason of ignorence, you on the other hand are a pyron fan and you were going on for ages about how he is the size of andromeda from that poor picture, lmao...and this wasnt too long ago either, DK showed your foolishness as well, wheras i was ignorent over a year ago.

these DSers wont touch kain, within the time it takes for them to ready any of their skills, Kain has long range powers that can take them out of action, Jedah TK shackles, his repel shield to repel their spells back onto them, and if he got splattered reform ftw, by the time he gets splattered its likely the only ones who can make use of it would be incapacited, as i said, jedah in shackles, Demitri Midnight bliss himself, or has his soul ripped out. And playing on the fact their projectiles means nothing, theyll be running around the battlefield trying to escape and teleporting while kain has free reign to take advantage. OR as i said before, if he doesnt want to get his hands dirty, Inspire hate to make them kill eachother, Jedah will probably pocket dimension his allies.

2. Since the Mind Emblem's powers are unknown, they have no relevance to this debate. Makai's C class slaves even have strong enough minds to keep from dying in Makai, Demitri is not a C class Makai, and Pyron and Jedah will not be affected by any mind powers...dude to lack of brain(Pyron is cosmic fire and Jedah is pure liquid).

3. Right...so you can't prove it...that's great. Oh, and btw, he was traveling FTL even in the first panel of him moving too btw. Also, why can't he just use his travel speed to smush Kain? FTL>>>>>>>>Speed of thought, and Pyron's cosmic awareness clearly makes is thinking speed faster than Kain's, he anaylyzed all about earth almost instantly. So before Kain can think to use any powers, Pyron splats him. Then he throws him to the other side of the universe, Jedah soul eats him, or Demitri MB him. I know, they all have tele, but I was just saying, it makes dodging easier.

4. Kay, I will get that proof. You get mine.

5. Funny thing is, I wasn't denying anything Kain said, just found it kinda funny and hypocritical that you would question Jedah's character, but claim Kain's has no relevance.

6. Jedah can soul eat from a distance. 🙂 Pyron can make mini suns to incinerate him, from a distance. 🙂 Demitri can fire magic bolts, from a distance. 🙂 Pyron can make a shield to deflect Kain's pathetic attacks, as for inspire hate, how long does it work, is it a projectile, and is it a mind or magic attack. Jedah raises his hand, Kain loses. Oh, and as CN said, you can't reflect vacuum force, that is a literal impossibility, that's what Jedah sucking souls is, vacuum force.

7. Actually, it has, I'll have to find it..........again. Kain may have resistances against some of their powers, idk.

8. Projectile won't be hitting them, and doesn't Kain have to raise his sword to do area of effect magic? Right...in less time, Demitri can MB him. Also, Pyron can change his size instantlt dammit. TK and Repel Shield? Not only will repel shield not work on Jedahs soul eating abilities, but are TK shackles just that, shackles? Too bad it will not work on Jedah's soul eating abilities. Midnight Bliss' initiation takes less than a second, it takes less than one to reach out your hand and touch someone. Same with Pyron, extends his arm and b*tchslaps Kain to the other side of the universe. Also, how powerful is Repel Shield? Can it be broken?

9. Right. Let's see what else you have said. You claimed Kain would beat Galactus, you claimed Kain was Skyfather, you claimed Kain would beat Odin, and prolly more, but I can't think of it. All you have on me is the Andromeda thing.

Too bad Pyron can think faster and move at FTL speeds to turn Kain to mush before Kain gets a thought out.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1. Oh, and he can blow up the galaxy. Among other things. And speed is very important, Mr. Kain is Skyfather.

2. Since the Mind Emblem's powers are unknown, they have no relevance to this debate. Makai's C class slaves even have strong enough minds to keep from dying in Makai, Demitri is not a C class Makai, and Pyron and Jedah will not be affected by any mind powers...dude to lack of brain(Pyron is cosmic fire and Jedah is pure liquid).

3. Right...so you can't prove it...that's great. Oh, and btw, he was traveling FTL even in the first panel of him moving too btw. Also, why can't he just use his travel speed to smush Kain? FTL>>>>>>>>Speed of thought, and Pyron's cosmic awareness clearly makes is thinking speed faster than Kain's, he anaylyzed all about earth almost instantly. So before Kain can think to use any powers, Pyron splats him. Then he throws him to the other side of the universe, Jedah soul eats him, or Demitri MB him. I know, they all have tele, but I was just saying, it makes dodging easier.

4. Kay, I will get that proof. You get mine.

5. Funny thing is, I wasn't denying anything Kain said, just found it kinda funny and hypocritical that you would question Jedah's character, but claim Kain's has no relevance.

6. Jedah can soul eat from a distance. 🙂 Pyron can make mini suns to incinerate him, from a distance. 🙂 Demitri can fire magic bolts, from a distance. 🙂 Pyron can make a shield to deflect Kain's pathetic attacks, as for inspire hate, how long does it work, is it a projectile, and is it a mind or magic attack. Jedah raises his hand, Kain loses. Oh, and as CN said, you can't reflect vacuum force, that is a literal impossibility, that's what Jedah sucking souls is, vacuum force.

7. Actually, it has, I'll have to find it..........again. Kain may have resistances against some of their powers, idk.

8. Projectile won't be hitting them, and doesn't Kain have to raise his sword to do area of effect magic? Right...in less time, Demitri can MB him. Also, Pyron can change his size instantlt dammit. TK and Repel Shield? Not only will repel shield not work on Jedahs soul eating abilities, but are TK shackles just that, shackles? Too bad it will not work on Jedah's soul eating abilities. Midnight Bliss' initiation takes less than a second, it takes less than one to reach out your hand and touch someone. Same with Pyron, extends his arm and b*tchslaps Kain to the other side of the universe. Also, how powerful is Repel Shield? Can it be broken?

9. Right. Let's see what else you have said. You claimed Kain would beat Galactus, you claimed Kain was Skyfather, you claimed Kain would beat Odin, and prolly more, but I can't think of it. All you have on me is the Andromeda thing.

Too bad Pyron can think faster and move at FTL speeds to turn Kain to mush before Kain gets a thought out.

1. right and you said mr pyron is skyfather as well...

2. mind powers are nothing to do with the brain, mind spark is, the mind is the thought line, since both of them can think and according to you Pyron has cosmic awareness so his awareness will be an easy target for kain to take hold of, Pyron would be easy meat

3. cant prove it? when did i say that, i just told you were it shows it, also how is pyron going FTL in that first one? no he is not, he is moving slowly then he goes into the distance, and so his travel speed needs momentum. Pyrons thought speed doesnt mean anything to do with his planetary awareness, nor can you prove the time it takes for him to think this as well as the fact its more Precognition than anything else which shows no speed either of thought at all. Also hows he gonna throw him across the universe, his strength is nothing on that lmao....overhype right there. Demitri MB himself, show me where Jedah does use magic to take souls?

4. ill try and find some as well

5. no not in this context

6. so can kain, how fast can he make these suns? proof of the speed, also what worth are they at all? magic bolts that will reflect back. Kain can survive and make a shield to reflect all their pathetic attempts. Inspire hate is magical, it has no projectile. Kain raises his hand and Jedah loses, also he could just use soul wrack stright off the bat and destroy Jedah, make things much easier, i think thats the one that shields him at the same time as he posseses completly Jedah, and then he can use Jedahs body to destroy the remaining beings, but ofc Inspire hate will do that. Also prove this vaccume ability, does he use the vaccume to rip the souls or simly suck them in? dont just tell me, show me please.

7. has it? good plz find it, also yes kain does have resistences to soul suck

8. rubbish, according to what? it will be homing around, your simply stating rubbish again, it wont be hitting them, why? if its a homeing projectile he could make loads of them. MB rubbish again, hes going to have to teleport first, then MB, then hell find out too late the repel shield and hes a female......Show me him changing size instantly, ive seen him change shape but not size, when does he change size so dramatically. Tk will not allow him to do anything, hell be getting thrown about, not that Kain wont just take his soul anyway or he could ofcourse inspire hate or possess. to reach and touch maybe, to teleport then reach out, no, it takes less than a second for kain to cast his spells, infact their mostly instant cast attacks in the game. Repel shield has never been broken so it cannot in this fight, Pyron will end up damaging himself, not that hell last long after his soul is ripped after kain gestures.

9. you claimed all these things about pyron, you claimed he could possibly beat Galactus the same i did with kain, the diffrence being i said only if his moves considered hyperbole were allowed like infnite energy manip. You also claimed Pyron for skyfather....i have all these things plus the Andromeda thing.

FTL after momentum yes....never shown in battle either, never seen to move in anything other than striaght lines..also the thinking faster is not proven at all. Kain casts huge varities of diffrent spells through his time with just the thought to cast them, he is a far faster thinker or at least on equel footing with Pyron. Also please tell me, whats making him mush going to do?

Originally posted by Burning thought
- kain has to charge the reaver yes, ive already admited that, the soul reaver on the other hand, nopes, hes not using the blood reaver in this battle

-neither did i say you did, ime asking you if youve played "all" the games which is why theres a question mark.

-Except that the Soul Reaver has a charge as well in defiance for many reaver spells.

-I played most.

Originally posted by Burning thought

-how can he reflect a curse, its either magic or physical either way and it will be reflected, the magic will be reflected back of the attack, hits by swords are still physical just like a touch is physical, magic as kain says are reflected back on opponents, the magic that Demitri uses for his Midnight bliss=reflected, and now your falling again, you actually debate well for a moment but then you say something like

-Demitri could most likely turn himself back...well so could kain then 🙄 according to what, apprently the spell turns you into a defenceless human female, Demitri will lose his power.

Show me him reflecting a touch, please. Because I never seen Kain reflect all forms of magic with that field. Furthermore, he needs to perform his body swap to activate the field. I never seen him do it without that spell. Also, he's not reflecting soul suck, because it's not physical.

-Never said you become totally powerless, we do not know how long the effect last. If they are poowerless, how would Kain turn himself back? Demitri at least has the knowledge of the spell, since it is his. Kain does not.

Originally posted by Burning thought

-since when does gravity outright kill you, pressure kills a human of body and blood, and as i said, you cannot kill kain, only stop him, and no even i have to defend DS there since his gravity would not kill Jedah either.

-killl kains bats, the bats are of kain so no that would be like killing him, thats if they were normal bats, their shadow bats, proof of this is that first of all their all completly dark and transparent if you watch, as well as being able to move through walls to reform kain.

-what do you mean vaccume force? with a wave of his hand Kain can have Jedah in shackles at the same time as with his other hand casting Repel, he only needs one hand for each power.

-Since Black holes and Star with massive gravitational pulls. Kain would not be able to escape a pull that can grab planets

-Game mechanic, there is no evidence that they are "Shadow Bats"

-He cannot cast repel without body swap, though

Originally posted by Burning thought

-Pyrons position was directly over the planet, same with Helstorm, if he had gravity, the planet would be slowly be moving in his direction, especially at that close, something would certainly be going itno him, theres nothing to state pyron has gravity nor that he plays by the same rules of it consisdering he can apprently go faster than light.

Because Hellstorm is too big as opposed to earth, I just showed a pic of planets around it's orbit.