Dimtri,Jedah VS Lord KAIN!!

Originally posted by Burning thought
1. right and you said mr pyron is skyfather as well...

2. mind powers are nothing to do with the brain, mind spark is, the mind is the thought line, since both of them can think and according to you Pyron has cosmic awareness so his awareness will be an easy target for kain to take hold of, Pyron would be easy meat

3. cant prove it? when did i say that, i just told you were it shows it, also how is pyron going FTL in that first one? no he is not, he is moving slowly then he goes into the distance, and so his travel speed needs momentum. Pyrons thought speed doesnt mean anything to do with his planetary awareness, nor can you prove the time it takes for him to think this as well as the fact its more Precognition than anything else which shows no speed either of thought at all. Also hows he gonna throw him across the universe, his strength is nothing on that lmao....overhype right there. Demitri MB himself, show me where Jedah does use magic to take souls?

4. ill try and find some as well

5. no not in this context

6. so can kain, how fast can he make these suns? proof of the speed, also what worth are they at all? magic bolts that will reflect back. Kain can survive and make a shield to reflect all their pathetic attempts. Inspire hate is magical, it has no projectile. Kain raises his hand and Jedah loses, also he could just use soul wrack stright off the bat and destroy Jedah, make things much easier, i think thats the one that shields him at the same time as he posseses completly Jedah, and then he can use Jedahs body to destroy the remaining beings, but ofc Inspire hate will do that. Also prove this vaccume ability, does he use the vaccume to rip the souls or simly suck them in? dont just tell me, show me please.

7. has it? good plz find it, also yes kain does have resistences to soul suck

8. rubbish, according to what? it will be homing around, your simply stating rubbish again, it wont be hitting them, why? if its a homeing projectile he could make loads of them. MB rubbish again, hes going to have to teleport first, then MB, then hell find out too late the repel shield and hes a female......Show me him changing size instantly, ive seen him change shape but not size, when does he change size so dramatically. Tk will not allow him to do anything, hell be getting thrown about, not that Kain wont just take his soul anyway or he could ofcourse inspire hate or possess. to reach and touch maybe, to teleport then reach out, no, it takes less than a second for kain to cast his spells, infact their mostly instant cast attacks in the game. Repel shield has never been broken so it cannot in this fight, Pyron will end up damaging himself, not that hell last long after his soul is ripped after kain gestures.

9. you claimed all these things about pyron, you claimed he could possibly beat Galactus the same i did with kain, the diffrence being i said only if his moves considered hyperbole were allowed like infnite energy manip. You also claimed Pyron for skyfather....i have all these things plus the Andromeda thing.

FTL after momentum yes....never shown in battle either, never seen to move in anything other than striaght lines..also the thinking faster is not proven at all. Kain casts huge varities of diffrent spells through his time with just the thought to cast them, he is a far faster thinker or at least on equel footing with Pyron. Also please tell me, whats making him mush going to do?

2. Really? Pyron's advanced thinking pattern would only make it harder to mind control him smart one. Also, prove it affects those without brains.

3. He was as big as the planet...then after he started moving...he was like 1/20th it's size AT BEST. And you still cannot provide conclusive proof he builds momentum. Pyron's cosmic awareness allowed him to learn all about earth, and detect the presence of Makai, WHICH IS IN ANOTHER DIMENSION! It wasn't precog. His thought speed clearly is faster than Kain's by a large amount. Did I literally mean he would throw him from one side of the universe to the other? No man...Demitri MB himself? You act like Kain can do all these powers at the same time lol...he can't. Also, apparently, according to CN...he needs to "body swap" to use Repel Shield? And what do you mean about Jedah using magic to take souls?

4. Kay. I will find my site, I know it has been posted here on KMC, and I know the thread.

5. Your mother.

6. Jedah's soul eating>>>>>>>>Kain's.

Pyron kinda makes the suns from his own body, and can use them to absorb attacks, or attacks his enemies. In other words, a big ass offensive lineman. 🙂 Repel Shield requires "body swap" according to CN. Jedah raises his hand and Kain loses. Dude...it he absorbs the souls into his hand...it's a vacuum...you can't repel it...this is common sense.

7. I'll try, tho unlike other things I can't remember where this was posted.

8. Right...a homing blast is really gonna hit three spam teleporters, one of which can move FTL. Also, he could go ahead and make loads, will just use up his own energy. So he can use Repel Shield while he's trying to raise his sword to stop time? Bullshit. Do I have to really prove Pyron can change size instantly AGAIN!? Jedah could just do soul suck, which=dead Kain. Okay. Pyron just makes a mini sun where Kain is with his Repel shield and tele away, once the shield wears off, we get a BBQ Kain. Oh, and I can say the same about Pyron's shield, it has never been broken, so isn't broken in this fight either.

9. I never said Pyron could beat Big G, not at full power anyway. Maybe a weaker one. I said Odin would probably beat Pyron, mostly due to the magic nature of Odin's power. Also, it took me WEEKS to get you to finally admit that "boundless energy manip" was hyperbole. I do think Pyron is Skyfather, you on the other hand said Kain was CELESTIAL level. Oh, and there is still the one shotting LT thing, nothing beats that, cept maybe when Rutog said Storm could beat Pheonix Force lol...

No momentum, no proof. Also, so because he only has moved in straight lines in that scan, he can only move in a straight line? Wow, bullshit. I kinda already proved Pyron thinks faster.

With this spell, Kain could possess a human. He removed their soul from their body and replaced it with his own, taking control of their flesh. Kain's own body was protected by a magical Repel shell while his soul was absent. When Kain released his hold on the human mind, the hijacked body died.

http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/bo1/spells.php

Repel shell just protects Kains body when he tries to swap his bodies with an enemy.

Originally posted by Classic NES
http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/bo1/spells.php

Repel shell just protects Kains body when he tries to swap his bodies with an enemy.

Originally posted by Sado-sama
Yup, people can make bs claims as much as they want. They won't be setting a good reputation for themselves. At the same time they would not be trolling unless they were bashing members or spamming irrelevant crap.

Demitri wins due to the fact that he has spikey hair, and Jedah is purple, not to mention all of their godly feats which consist of......of ........umm ...........err .......uh ..........umm ............hmm ......uh .....................n-n-n-o-t-h-i-n-g-?.....wait....did I just say that? haermm

You said Demitri and Jedah win as well. 😖hifty:

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
I am starting to wonder if BT is just misinformed, or is lying to us.

I vote for the former, dude eliminated BFR when I brought up Pyron destroying the battlefield.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
It doesn't say that at all. 😬

i was correct, now Classic your using information that is false it doesnt say "only", repel is another seperate spell if you look at the top of the page, this one just says hes protected in the shield while using this, so he could quite comfortably possess Jedah or one of them who have souls even Pyron and while his body is safely protected, stomp the others

also ime sure youll admit BFR is cheap, it means theres not going to be a battle at all, same if Kain BFR to Nosgoth, diffrence being useing the Dimension pillar you can take beings out of other dimensions. Also destroying worlds is ridiculous, that would automatically make it, all beings of the world VS the character who would try and destroy it.

Apparently, control mind only works on humans.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Apparently, control mind only works on humans.

thats mind control, but it says to a human, it doesnt limit it to a human, in the actual describtion from the lore and not the in-game mechanic discription, kain simply says his enemies.

Although Spirit wrack is the more powerful version, which is down the page that definatley works on all enemies, perhaps the weaker mind control is only working on humans but spirit wrack works on all

Okay, I concede that point, but the spell doesn't last long nor does is it proven to defend against DS attacks. Your telling me it will prevent BFR, Soul Suck, and Gravity? Is Kain Juggernaut now? 😬

Control Mind is a body swap and Spirit Wrack is a stronger verison of that. Why Can't Jedah suck his soul while he's transfering or Demitri?

Originally posted by Burning thought
thats mind control, but it says to a human, it doesnt limit it to a human, in the actual describtion from the lore and not the in-game mechanic discription, kain simply says his enemies.

Although Spirit wrack is the more powerful version, which is down the page that definatley works on all enemies, perhaps the weaker mind control is only working on humans but spirit wrack works on all

Originally posted by Classic NES
Okay, I concede that point, but the spell doesn't last long nor does is it proven to defend against DS attacks. Your telling me it will prevent BFR, Soul Suck, and Gravity? Is Kain Juggernaut now? 😬

all we can debate is the facts, BFR can only be done by Jedah, so Jedah can be Kains candidate for possession, whats more, as i said we can only debate facts, the facts are that the spell protects the body, saying "has this been proven against DS attacks" have DS attacks been proven to do anything to kain at all? hmm no they are not in the same universe thats a silly thing to say. It protects against magic and physical....considering Jedah is the only one who can bypass this shield for sure since apparently his soul suck is not magic then Kain can win this battle quite easily through possesing Jedah and taking the others out with Jedah. Do you honestly think Jedah cannot take out Demitri or Pyron fairly quickly? BFR he is able of and afaik pyron has never escaped dimensions.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Except people with strong minds like Demitri or Jedah, or advanced minds such as Pyron's.

read it, the skill name is a bit off puting, the attack isnt attacking minds, its attacking soul, especially the spirit wrack

Control Mind is a body swap, Charm is Mind Control and it only works on weak minded enemies. None of which would apply to this team, reason being is that you need a strong mind to perceive Makai, let alone see it. Bishiamon had to meditate in solitude for years before he could see Makai. Pyron knew about it instantly.

Originally posted by Burning thought
-all we can debate is the facts, BFR can only be done by Jedah, so Jedah can be Kains candidate for possession,

whats more, as i said we can only debate facts, the facts are that the spell protects the body, saying "has this been proven against DS attacks" have DS attacks been proven to do anything to kain at all? hmm no they are not in the same universe thats a silly thing to say. It protects against magic and physical....

- If he try's to posssess Jedah, he will get his soul sucked.

-I asked if it could work on attacks from the DS team. It had nothing to do with universes, it's a simply question. When has Kain reflected: Soul Suck and Gravity?

-If he goes for Jedah, Demitri will attack his spirit.

Originally posted by Classic NES
Control Mind is a body swap, Charm is Mind Control and it only works on weak minded enemies. None of which would apply to this team, reason being is that you need a strong mind to perceive Makai, let alone see it. Bishiamon had to meditate in solitude for years before he could see Makai. Pyron knew about it instantly.

spirit wrack will replace their souls with kains, none of them have ever defended afaik from having their souls ripped out and replaced, theres no defence, as soon as he does it hes protected and theres no way from this information to say how long the transfer takes or more importantly how fast i can prove it is, from playing the game myself its instant basically, like most of kains spells only this one is not a projectile.

True it does not last indefinatley however

Pyron could BFR Kain's ass by destroying the planet. 😬 Or he could absorb it AND Kain.

Originally posted by Classic NES
- If he try's to posssess Jedah, he will get his soul sucked.

-I asked if it could work on attacks from the DS team. It had nothing to do with universes, it's a simply question. When has Kain reflected: Soul Suck and Gravity?

-If he goes for Jedah, Demitri will attack his spirit.

with what? if he takes Jedah, Jedah is far too much for Demitri to contend with, Jedah would annhilate Demitri. Also how will he get his soul sucked, thats a ridiculous thing to say, its not like jedah is a constant vaccume, nor does anything state this, also to menstion the fact Jedah has his soul ripped from him before kain replaces it so Jedah wont be doing much of anything in the split time where Kain is going into the body, then its both Demitri and pyron washed up for sure against Jedah.

work on attacks from the DS team, well first soul suck from Jedah wont be happening due to the point above, Demitris only soul suck i know is MB which involves him using magic at the same time, the soul part of it is grabbing, which ime afraid the shield protects against physical. Furthermore Gravity is also a physical force and in the quick time it takes for him to take over Jedah pyrons not going to do much.

So, Kain can suck out their souls faster than jedah can? Despite the fact he sucked the souls of an entire dimension in seconds flat?

Does anybody see anything wrong with that, nevermind that soul devouring is common in Makai. Demitri could possibly do it too.

EDIT:

In Makai, power is indicated by the strength of the soul.

The team is made up of A to S class makai, do the math.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Pyron could BFR Kain's ass by destroying the planet. 😬 Or he could absorb it AND Kain.

he has never absorbed souls, also the process of absorbsion is nowhere near as fast as the battle is going to commence, trust me, as much as you love him, the only effect pyron is possibly going to have is gravity, other than that, Jedah and Demitri are Kains concerns in this battle. Also what planet? who said anything about them being on a planet, this could be a random indestructable dimension or it could be Nosgoth

Originally posted by Classic NES
So, Kain can suck out their souls faster than jedah can? Despite the fact he sucked the souls of an entire dimension in seconds flat?

speed and amount do not neccerily come into consideration, theres only one soul at stake here, Jedahs OR Kains, however Jedah seems to raise his hand, also wheres the proof he does it in seconds flat? the transition of events from the videos youve shown doesnt seem to say seconds, hell if you go by the video he takes a good few seconds with his hand in the air.

Raziel can swallow all the souls around him but that does not neccerily mean he can take out a soul faster than kain can take out one.