Dimtri,Jedah VS Lord KAIN!!

Started by Violent2Dope21 pages

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1. Only Kain has things to back it up, oh, and he has matter manip, took weeks to get you to understand that without it you will never be Skyfather.

2. Really? Pyron's advanced thinking pattern would only make it harder to mind control him smart one. Also, prove it affects those without brains.

3. He was as big as the planet...then after he started moving...he was like 1/20th it's size AT BEST. And you still cannot provide conclusive proof he builds momentum. Pyron's cosmic awareness allowed him to learn all about earth, and detect the presence of Makai, WHICH IS IN ANOTHER DIMENSION! It wasn't precog. His thought speed clearly is faster than Kain's by a large amount. Did I literally mean he would throw him from one side of the universe to the other? No man...Demitri MB himself? You act like Kain can do all these powers at the same time lol...he can't. Also, apparently, according to CN...he needs to "body swap" to use Repel Shield? And what do you mean about Jedah using magic to take souls?

4. Kay. I will find my site, I know it has been posted here on KMC, and I know the thread.

5. Your mother.

6. Jedah's soul eating>>>>>>>>Kain's.

Pyron kinda makes the suns from his own body, and can use them to absorb attacks, or attacks his enemies. In other words, a big ass offensive lineman. 🙂 Repel Shield requires "body swap" according to CN. Jedah raises his hand and Kain loses. Dude...it he absorbs the souls into his hand...it's a vacuum...you can't repel it...this is common sense.

7. I'll try, tho unlike other things I can't remember where this was posted.

8. Right...a homing blast is really gonna hit three spam teleporters, one of which can move FTL. Also, he could go ahead and make loads, will just use up his own energy. So he can use Repel Shield while he's trying to raise his sword to stop time? Bullshit. Do I have to really prove Pyron can change size instantly AGAIN!? Jedah could just do soul suck, which=dead Kain. Okay. Pyron just makes a mini sun where Kain is with his Repel shield and tele away, once the shield wears off, we get a BBQ Kain. Oh, and I can say the same about Pyron's shield, it has never been broken, so isn't broken in this fight either.

9. I never said Pyron could beat Big G, not at full power anyway. Maybe a weaker one. I said Odin would probably beat Pyron, mostly due to the magic nature of Odin's power. Also, it took me WEEKS to get you to finally admit that "boundless energy manip" was hyperbole. I do think Pyron is Skyfather, you on the other hand said Kain was CELESTIAL level. Oh, and there is still the one shotting LT thing, nothing beats that, cept maybe when Rutog said Storm could beat Pheonix Force lol...

No momentum, no proof. Also, so because he only has moved in straight lines in that scan, he can only move in a straight line? Wow, bullshit. I kinda already proved Pyron thinks faster.

Why was this ignored?

Oh and BT, you've been beaten from the start. I beat you in the Pyron vs. Kain thread when you conceded.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Why was this ignored?

Oh and BT, you've been beaten from the start. I beat you in the Pyron vs. Kain thread when you conceded.

ill read it through...

when did i concede?

ive never been beaten throughout this entire thread, only the Darkstalkers have as their souls are taken, stop beating the dead horse V2D, although ill still read that through

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1. Only Kain has things to back it up, oh, and he has matter manip, took weeks to get you to understand that without it you will never be Skyfather.

2. Really? Pyron's advanced thinking pattern would only make it harder to mind control him smart one. Also, prove it affects those without brains.

3. He was as big as the planet...then after he started moving...he was like 1/20th it's size AT BEST. And you still cannot provide conclusive proof he builds momentum. Pyron's cosmic awareness allowed him to learn all about earth, and detect the presence of Makai, WHICH IS IN ANOTHER DIMENSION! It wasn't precog. His thought speed clearly is faster than Kain's by a large amount. Did I literally mean he would throw him from one side of the universe to the other? No man...Demitri MB himself? You act like Kain can do all these powers at the same time lol...he can't. Also, apparently, according to CN...he needs to "body swap" to use Repel Shield? And what do you mean about Jedah using magic to take souls?

4. Kay. I will find my site, I know it has been posted here on KMC, and I know the thread.

5. Your mother.

6. Jedah's soul eating>>>>>>>>Kain's.

Pyron kinda makes the suns from his own body, and can use them to absorb attacks, or attacks his enemies. In other words, a big ass offensive lineman. 🙂 Repel Shield requires "body swap" according to CN. Jedah raises his hand and Kain loses. Dude...it he absorbs the souls into his hand...it's a vacuum...you can't repel it...this is common sense.

7. I'll try, tho unlike other things I can't remember where this was posted.

8. Right...a homing blast is really gonna hit three spam teleporters, one of which can move FTL. Also, he could go ahead and make loads, will just use up his own energy. So he can use Repel Shield while he's trying to raise his sword to stop time? Bullshit. Do I have to really prove Pyron can change size instantly AGAIN!? Jedah could just do soul suck, which=dead Kain. Okay. Pyron just makes a mini sun where Kain is with his Repel shield and tele away, once the shield wears off, we get a BBQ Kain. Oh, and I can say the same about Pyron's shield, it has never been broken, so isn't broken in this fight either.

9. I never said Pyron could beat Big G, not at full power anyway. Maybe a weaker one. I said Odin would probably beat Pyron, mostly due to the magic nature of Odin's power. Also, it took me WEEKS to get you to finally admit that "boundless energy manip" was hyperbole. I do think Pyron is Skyfather, you on the other hand said Kain was CELESTIAL level. Oh, and there is still the one shotting LT thing, nothing beats that, cept maybe when Rutog said Storm could beat Pheonix Force lol...

No momentum, no proof. Also, so because he only has moved in straight lines in that scan, he can only move in a straight line? Wow, bullshit. I kinda already proved Pyron thinks faster.

1. he doesnt have matter manip, he created matter, not manipulated it, matter manip is when you change something in another being of their matter, like transmution or take matter apart like phoenix does, creating matter is not true manipulation.

2. its mind control, not brain control...surely you can understand the diffrence, the brain is what projects the mind of a human, however Pyron does not have this, yet he has a mind, but this is not neccery, he rips out souls and replaces them.

3. ive seen that scan so many times, he starts moving, he doesnt go faster than light he starts to build momentum before he gains any real speed as we see, its not like he instantly flashes and hes gone we see him move...Cosmic awareness is precog, face it, all he does is foresee the Earths evolution, a modern scientist of Earth could certainly predict life on planets, but regardless this is nothing to do with awareness. Clearly on what? his precog, kain has superior attributes to humans in every way and thats before he drained the mind powers of Marcus who has the mind control, now he has the mind emblem who through the power of the pillars the mind guardian could create illusions and all sorts of mind magic, pyrons mind is not this adept. False, read it yourself and stop jumping all over everything CN says, Repel is a completly diffrent spell, but as i said, hes going to body swap with Jedah which would put him in the shield, also it takes one arm as seen in blood omen 1, where when kain uses two handed weapons he cannot use spells yet when he uses one handers he can cast spells with the other hand, with one hand hes also been clearly shown to use TK as well, if with one hand he can do a spell, he can cast repel which protects him and with the other, use TK to mess up the most dangerous threats.

4. gdgd

5. ...... 😄

6. no, Jedahs soul eating>>>Kains amount of souls he can take, means nothing in this fight since jedah has one target.

Jedah doesnt even raise his hand, Kain body swaps, also no your talking falsely, read the spells yourself, you can clearly see Repel is a seperate spell, just because ripping anothers soul so kain posseses them keeping his body in a repel shield doesnt say anything about this spelll being exlusive only for when he does it, its just a double whammy, soul steal, possession AND a shield...how wonderful, in one move he takes out this little DS threat.

7. okie

8. spam teleporters? first teleporting means nothing, its still a homing projectile, which while their teleporting their not doing anything about the far greater threat of kain, give him the time and hell have inspire hate and time powers all over them. As weve stated already, The balance guardian does not use energy, he has infnite magic like Ganon has. What makes you think he "needs" to raise his sword? have you seen him do this, the only time hes raise his sword is when he casts balance emblems balance magic blast, thats it, as you can see in the vids he uses dimension warping without doing it, its a game mechanic. Yes you do have to prove it, ime wondering now if your just looking at backgrounds again, we know how that turned out dont we. Jedahs not sucking anyones soul, at least not kains, when Kain takes possession, then Jedah will be sucking out the darkstalkers souls. Pyrons shield is an anomoly, its never even been hit by an attack, ive yet to see him use it while not teleporting like in the OVA, nor do i know if it can stop magic attacks, obviously it cannot be as fast as you think since Pyron gets eaten by Demitri....show me the mini suns lasting a long amount of time please, or kain could teleport? the shield is around kain not the area his in, its not like hes leaving it behind...

9. no andromeda size because of a background easily beats that, especially since i was ignorenent, you were being foolish straight out.

erm no you have not proven, also hes never moved FTL in any direction except forwards so your playing about again, can Star trek enterprise move warp speed in circles around its opponents? no....not afaik it warps forwards....so does Pyron from what we have seen.

DS=gonners

ahh well kain could probably smash DSers around all night but ime human and tired, cya tomorrow V2D, everyone ime sleeping, dont have nightmares of kain kicking Pyron about now durlaugh

This is a curbstomp in Jedah's/Dimetri's favor.

First off, time stopping is the cheapest power concievable.

And, "Kain=Celestial"= Massive overration. Overration overload.

But Kain can turn into mist. MISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSTTTTTTTT.

Originally posted by HonkyTonkMan
But Kain can turn into mist. MISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSTTTTTTTT.
"Oh no! He's vaporized himself! He's unbeatable!"

Try telling a certain someone this.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
This is a curbstomp in Jedah's/Dimetri's favor.

First off, time stopping is the cheapest power concievable.

And, "Kain=Celestial"= Massive overration. Overration overload.


sorry if ime misjudging you but are you a honkytonk clone, it seems you sorta go into threads, state randomness without any reason and go out again or since Honkytonks posts are less its probably the other way round

and yes Kain can turn into mist...sorta like Jedah can turn into liquid only Mist is less dense and even more difficult to hit

Originally posted by Burning thought
sorry if ime misjudging you but are you a honkytonk clone, it seems you sorta go into threads, state randomness without any reason and go out again or since Honkytonks posts are less its probably the other way round

and yes Kain can turn into mist...sorta like Jedah can turn into liquid only Mist is less dense and even more difficult to hit

I'm not a Honkytonk clone.

If anything, he's a clone of me.

If you assumed me as a serious debator, then in fact, you did misjudge me.

Nothing I've said is random. I'm just jokingly reveling in the fact that you seem to think of Kain as unbeatable.

Honestly, are there any characters you can see beating Kain?

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
I'm not a Honkytonk clone.

If anything, he's a clone of me.

If you assumed me as a serious debator, then in fact, you did misjudge me.

Nothing I've said is random. I'm just jokingly reveling in the fact that you seem to think of Kain as unbeatable.

Honestly, are there any characters you can see beating Kain?


fair enough

ofcourse there are, loads, in the comic book unvierses half of them probably could, especially the big ones but hes beatable in this battle, but its unlikely, he has too many powers to defeat these beings and can even use their own powers against them

however there are probably great numbers of characters in gaming and other univeres that have souls that are completly immune to soul stealing and manipulating, have super shields of their own as well as strong minds rolled into one, AND can themselves rip souls, thats when Kain falls

No, any character her by himself would beat Kain.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
No, any character her by himself would beat Kain.

durdurlaughdur

with Pyronz uburz Andromeda Destroyin an Jedaz instant Universe wipe!! ftw ftwww!!1

Originally posted by Burning thought
durdurlaughdur

with Pyronz uburz Andromeda Destroyin an Jedaz instant Universe wipe!! ftw ftwww!!1

No, with Pyron's FTL speed and class 100 strength to put him to the sun, Demitri's midnight bliss tele combo, or Jedah's soul eating.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
No, with Pyron's FTL speed and class 100 strength to put him to the sun, Demitri's midnight bliss tele combo, or Jedah's soul eating.

put him to the sun, yeh rite, failure, first the thing wont begin moving fast enough to hit kain before his does his spells, his momentum build up wont be fast enough also hows he gonna put him to the sun, if you hit him at that speed he would splat but anyway it wont happen.

then the others get owned from the offstart, Kain posseses Jedah, his shield reflects Demitris power back onto him making him female, Jedah then turns to pyron and rips his soul or absorbs him completly, either way will do, and Kain takes a drink from the female Demitri

game...set...match

Originally posted by Burning thought
fair enough

ofcourse there are, loads, in the comic book unvierses half of them probably could, especially the big ones but hes beatable in this battle, but its unlikely, he has too many powers to defeat these beings and can even use their own powers against them

however there are probably great numbers of characters in gaming and other univeres that have souls that are completly immune to soul stealing and manipulating, have super shields of their own as well as strong minds rolled into one, AND can themselves rip souls, thats when Kain falls

Kay. But doesn't Jedah have the ability to rip souls?

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Kay. But doesn't Jedah have the ability to rip souls?

he does, but he has to raise his hand to do it, his soul is going to be cast out of him when kain does Spirit wrack, kains spirit is now in Jedah while kains body is in a repel shield protected, now Kain sorta IS Jedah for the battle. Kains method of spirit wrack is not projectile nor is it a spell timered ability, it has a duration however.

Originally posted by Burning thought
put him to the sun, yeh rite, failure, first the thing wont begin moving fast enough to hit kain before his does his spells, his momentum build up wont be fast enough also hows he gonna put him to the sun, if you hit him at that speed he would splat but anyway it wont happen.

then the others get owned from the offstart, Kain posseses Jedah, his shield reflects Demitris power back onto him making him female, Jedah then turns to pyron and rips his soul or absorbs him completly, either way will do, and Kain takes a drink from the female Demitri

game...set...match

1. Okay, he teles him to it. He teles next to Kain, then teles him to the sun. Or he could just solve this quicker by making his own mini sun.

2. Lol, with a gesture, Jedah would rip his soul, and do it much faster than Kain could, from all around a dimension, he in seconds ate all their souls, Kain is closer and is one soul, it would take much less effort and little times. Once again, you make it like Kain can do all these powers at the same time. Also, do you really think Demitri is stupid enough to use MB on an opponent with a shield(which won't save him from Jedah). Also, according to Kain's own description, it is a very short lasting shield.

Checkmate.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1. Okay, he teles him to it. He teles next to Kain, then teles him to the sun. Or he could just solve this quicker by making his own mini sun.

2. Lol, with a gesture, Jedah would rip his soul, and do it much faster than Kain could, from all around a dimension, he in seconds ate all their souls, Kain is closer and is one soul, it would take much less effort and little times. Once again, you make it like Kain can do all these powers at the same time. Also, do you really think Demitri is stupid enough to use MB on an opponent with a shield(which won't save him from Jedah). Also, according to Kain's own description, it is a very short lasting shield.

Checkmate.

1. the process of Pyron teleporting THEN teleporting again is faster than Kain possessing Jedah how? all kain does is possibly gesture, no more than that and the target has its soul not only cast out but his replaces it, it has to be this quick because of the speed of the game which is the spells function, Then Pyron dies through Jedahs soul powers

2. with less than a gesture kain will enter Jedahs soul, also when does Jedah rip? i was told he vaccumes, theres a diffrence, also no speed is shown either, prove his faster, prove in seconds as well, the video ive seen doesnt show time, nor does it show him eating them, hes sending them into Shintai, phail....also nothing in the video shows speed at all superior to kain, their both gestures, kains maybe less of a gesture since Jedah uses his hand and seems to have it in the air longer than kain takes jsut to gesture, or Jedah will open his chest, you would have to prove this would all take a fraction of time as well.
Demitri in his haste wouldnt have time to think constantly, judging by how fast you say all this will happen, Kain will enter Jedah just as his hand raises, at the same time Demitri touches the shield which comes up turning him human then pyron either gets ripped by Jedah just as he is fractons away from hitting kain or he bounces off the repel shield and gets ripped.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
No, he is a being that can take more souls, THAT IS IT! speed is a factor that comes into play.

how embarassing it must be, ive just taken your own quote and used it against you, Speed is not how many, this is near enough to what you said to Cosmic....or do the rules change when its a DSker involved? hmm

not quite a checkmate, unless your under the illusion my Pawn is the king?

Originally posted by Burning thought
1. the process of Pyron teleporting THEN teleporting again is faster than Kain possessing Jedah how? all kain does is possibly gesture, no more than that and the target has its soul not only cast out but his replaces it, it has to be this quick because of the speed of the game which is the spells function, Then Pyron dies through Jedahs soul powers

2. with less than a gesture kain will enter Jedahs soul, also when does Jedah rip? i was told he vaccumes, theres a diffrence, also no speed is shown either, prove his faster, prove in seconds as well, the video ive seen doesnt show time, nor does it show him eating them, hes sending them into Shintai, phail....also nothing in the video shows speed at all superior to kain, their both gestures, kains maybe less of a gesture since Jedah uses his hand and seems to have it in the air longer than kain takes jsut to gesture, or Jedah will open his chest, you would have to prove this would all take a fraction of time as well.
Demitri in his haste wouldnt have time to think constantly, judging by how fast you say all this will happen, Kain will enter Jedah just as his hand raises, at the same time Demitri touches the shield which comes up turning him human then pyron either gets ripped by Jedah just as he is fractons away from hitting kain or he bounces off the repel shield and gets ripped.

how embarassing it must be, ive just taken your own quote and used it against you, Speed is not how many, this is near enough to what you said to Cosmic....or do the rules change when its a DSker involved? hmm

not quite a checkmate, unless your under the illusion my Pawn is the king?

1. Well, I am talking on an individual basis, like Pyron vs. Kain. Also, Jedah's mind and soul will not be easily taken dude.

2. Less than a gesture? Wtf is that? A limp-wristed fingerpoint!? haermm Rip, vacuum, WHATEVER! He sucks the soul out, that is both a vacuum and a rip. Actually, it does show time, it shows him eating souls for a few seconds with his hand in the air, then the Shintai awakening. Jedah had his whole hand in the air longer, CAUSE HE WAS DOING IT TO MORE SOULS FROM A MUCH GREATER DISTANCE!

So Demitri is too blind to notice a big ass shield around Kain? Right...

Also, how does Kain go about entering Jedah? Like how does he do it?

3. Where is that from? Is that when I was talking to CC about Pyron vs. Gigyas?

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1. Well, I am talking on an individual basis, like Pyron vs. Kain. Also, Jedah's mind and soul will not be easily taken dude.

2. Less than a gesture? Wtf is that? A limp-wristed fingerpoint!? haermm Rip, vacuum, WHATEVER! He sucks the soul out, that is both a vacuum and a rip. Actually, it does show time, it shows him eating souls for a few seconds with his hand in the air, then the Shintai awakening. Jedah had his whole hand in the air longer, CAUSE HE WAS DOING IT TO MORE SOULS FROM A MUCH GREATER DISTANCE!

So Demitri is too blind to notice a big ass shield around Kain? Right...

Also, how does Kain go about entering Jedah? Like how does he do it?

3. Where is that from? Is that when I was talking to CC about Pyron vs. Gigyas?

1.Pyron VS kain would be easier, as ive said he only uses one hand to cast a spell, so effectively he could use two hands to cast two spells, or the reave could cast one spell, while he casts one, either way you cannot prove it wont be easily taken, its not like its taken at all infact, its just like its being punted out and kains is replacing it.

2. yes probably, infact its possible kain doesnt even gesture, he usually doesnt unless hes using an attack around an area of effect or a porjecile, his eyes often just glow green and the enemy is under his power, while Jedahs mucking about gesturing, hell for all i know he could take a lot longer to get his connnection to take souls due to him having to use his hand to call them in the first place, this would point to him needing concentration to do it as well. He doesnt eat any souls, the only ones we see in that video are going into Shintai also thats no excuse, i still have not been shown how fast he is for one soul, what he does with one soul.

who says the shield is big ass? i think all it looks like is 4 glowing balls going around you in the art, so all Demitri will see is these 4 glowing balls and hell think "hmm i will MB through one of the holes" then bam, hes a human, more importantly all this is rubbish, as if hes got time in this battle to sit and think whats happening, their all likely to jump on kain as fast as they possibly can, unfortunatley for Demtri, judging time it takes for kain just to have his eyes go green, and to go into Jedah and his shield come up is going ot be the end of Demitri, unless hes going to stand back for awhile? be my guest, Jedah is now under kains power....also ive not actually seen Demitri teleport myself, nor do i know his range.

i dont know, all i know he casts out the soul of the opponent, then suddenly is inside it, wether his soul teleports or whatever who knows, its damn quick and regardless if you were thinking of Jedah somehow sucking kains soul before he gets it forget it, because as i said, jedahs soul is already smashed out.

3. aye, you took speed into factor as a diffrence to amount, which is what people are trying to argue in this thread that just because Jedah has show to take more souls than kain, its irrelevent to how fast he can do soul suck.