Student gets arrested and tasered at John Kerry Forum

Started by BackFire36 pages

He was just being a dick, how could he possibly know that cops would come in and abuse their authority simply for asking some questions and being loud? Even Kerry wanted to answer his questions.

Again, a dumbass he may be, but that's no good reason to taser someone. As you said before, the point of tasing someone is to ensure the cops safety and negate a threat, this guy was no threat. It's hard to be threatening when you're lying face down on the ground with your arms held behind your back.

Yeah man, you mentioned earlier that you may have the option to become a cop. Don't. You clearly don't have the restraint or the knowledge of the laws to be a good one. If you think it's okay to tase anyone just for being an asshat then you really have no business being an officer, last thing we need is more hypocrites with a badge and authority thinking they're serving the peace while not even realizing they're promoting unnecessary violence.

Originally posted by BackFire
He was just being a dick, how could he possibly know that cops would come in and abuse their authority simply for asking some questions and being loud? Even Kerry wanted to answer his questions.

Again, a dumbass he may be, but that's no good reason to taser someone. As you said before, the point of tasing someone is to ensure the cops safety and negate a threat, this guy was no threat. It's hard to be threatening when you're lying face down on the ground with your arms held behind your back.

Yeah man, you mentioned earlier that you may have the option to become a cop. Don't. You clearly don't have the restraint or the knowledge of the laws to be a good one. If you think it's okay to tase anyone just for being an asshat then you really have no business being an officer, last thing we need is more hypocrites with a badge and authority thinking they're serving the peace while not even realizing they're promoting unnecessary violence.

say that shit, say that shit, but the bottom line is that we were not there. we dont know 100% what happened. I stated earlier that if someone can show me EVERYTHING that happened, and I see that the taze was excessive, that I'd eat my words.

YOU, however, are doing a whole lot of assuming. assuming that the cops are dicks, assuming that the guy did nothing wrong. Until I see everything that happened, I will continue to laugh at his "ow ow ow!!!"

This is a report:

BY ALICE WALLACE
The Gainesville Sun

5:52 p.m.

GAINESVILLE - Police have released the incident report detailing the Tasering of a University of Florida student during a campus forum with Sen. John Kerry Monday, and the officer who actually Tasered Andrew Meyer wrote in the report that Meyer later told police, "You didn't do anything wrong."

In the 12-page report, which gives accounts of the incident from the perspective of eight different officers who were present Monday afternoon, Officer Nicole Mallo writes that Meyer would only resist officers when cameras were present.

"As (Meyer) was escorted down stairs (at the University Auditorium) with no cameras in sight, he remained quiet, but once the cameras made their way down stairs he started screaming and yelling again," Mallo wrote.

Mallo was one of two officers who actually rode in the vehicle as Meyer was escorted to the Alachua County jail, and she said said he told them during the ride: "I am not mad at you guys, you didn't do anything wrong, you were just trying to do your job," according to Mallo's account.

Mallo also wrote in her report that he asked, at one point, if cameras would be present at the jail.

The report details the events leading up to Meyer's arrest, saying that Meyer was in line to ask a question of Sen. Kerry when it was decided that no more questions would be allowed.

Meyer continued down the aisle toward Sen. Kerry angrily, according to police, saying he wanted the senator to answer his question because he had been waiting for two hours.

Though Sen. Kerry directed that Meyer be allowed to ask his question, police reported that Meyer did not ask any specific question and instead "badgered" the senator, and at one point said something about President Clinton being impeached over a sexual act.

At that point, police reported that ACCENT Director Max Tyroler turned off Meyer's microphone and asked police to escort him out of the auditorium, saying, "He had said enough," according to Officer Mallo's report.

Officers then proceeded to attempt to remove Meyer from the room, but when he resisted, they placed him on the ground and tried to handcuff him. The six officers who actually took part in holding Meyer down while he was being handcuffed reported that they were only able to get a handcuff on his right hand because he was squirming so much.

The supervising officer, Sgt. Eddie King, attempted to Taser Meyer on his chest, but he reported that his Taser would not deploy. He then instructed Mallo to Taser Meyer, and she Tasered him on his shoulder, according to one of the officer's report.

The officers were then able to fully handcuff Meyer and escort him from the building. Each of the six officers reported that Meyer yelled things like, "They're going to kill me," and, "They are giving me to the government," while he was being taken from the room.

Friends say student arrest not a stunt
6:37 p.m.

Despite humorous videos, pictures and acts attributed to Andrew Meyer online, friends of the University of Florida student insist his arrest Monday at an appearance by Sen. John Kerry was not any sort of publicity stunt.

"I think he just got scared," said Jon Levy, who identified himself as a student and a friend of Meyer's. "He is a funny person, but he is a funny person who really wants political change.

"He went there to ask some tough questions," Levy said.

Another friend and UF student, Michael Goldman, said he didn't believe Meyer intended for anything unusual to happen.

However, one of the many videos circulating of the incident was shot with Meyer's own camera.

Clarissa Jessup, who was standing near Meyer just before UF Police Tasered him and took him into custody, said Meyer asked her to film him asking Kerry a question just before he approached the microphone.

That has given rise to rumors that Meyer, who aspires to work in the national media, was hoping to get arrested or videotaped as part of some sort of elaborate stunt. But Jessup, who says she never met Meyer prior to the forum, says she thinks he simply wanted a video of himself talking to Kerry.

"I don't even know this kid," said Jessup, rebuffing any notion that she'd collaborated with Meyer to film an incident he knew would escalate.

Additionally, some content on Meyer's Web site, TheAndrewMeyer.com, suggests that Meyer is a bit of a prankster.

For example, one post written by Meyer recounts a time that he wore a funny hat and a blue tank top to a nice restaurant. He said his friends should have been, "accustomed and expecting of my uncanny ways." The post also says: "There is no wiggle room in the world these days for the dancing jester. There are specific social mores that must be upheld no matter how silly the place, the rules must be followed."

A video titled "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder" features a man dressed in drag who becomes an attractive blonde after a few drinks.

Friends said Meyer didn't create all of the movies on the site and weren't sure which ones he had.

One of the posts on his Web site is a described as a "disorganized diatribe."

It criticizes media content, especially about the Iraq War.

A major theme in the post is lack of media coverage of important issues like the War in Iraq and the media's focus on entertainment issues.

One excerpt from that article reads: "The news is designed to keep viewers watching and sedated and not thinking bad thoughts about America, because that would be bad for the economy. Stories about a severely unbalanced budget are out, train wrecks like Paris and Anna are in. A train wreck may be senseless and pointless, but Americans sure do love to watch."

Levy said that he feels most news media are missing the issue that Meyer's incident should have brought up.

"The issue he was trying to get at was getting people to be more informed and willing to ask questions," Levy said, adding that he had talked to Meyer earlier Tuesday.

He mentioned what he called the irony that Meyer was asking a question when the scuffle with University Police began.

Meyer was a student writer at one time for the Sun-Sentinel in Fort Lauderdale. A description on the Sun-Sentinel Web site written by Meyer says: "Andrew tries to write mostly whimsical nonsense columns about nothing in particular, yet occasionally finds himself angry enough to rain down fire and brimstone on an unsuspecting politician or celebrity."

He also expresses his disdain for referring to himself in the third person, yet in most of his posts and on his Facebook.com profile he refers to himself as The Andrew Meyer.

-- Megan Rolland/The Gainesville Sun

Machen: 'We want to have civil discourse'
2:40 p.m.

GAINESVILLE - University of Florida President Bernie Machen told members of the media assembled at a campus news conference that UF officials will take a number of steps following Monday's incident in which student Andrew Meyer was Tasered during an on-campus speech by Sen. John Kerry.

"This is a university, and we want to have civil discourse," Machen said. "The fact that it didn't occur is as troubling to me as it is to our students."

Meyer was restrained by several University Police Department officers after he refused to leave the microphone during a question-and-answer session following Kerry's talk.

When he continued to struggle while being removed from the auditorium, he was subdued with a Taser.

Machen said that two UPD officers involved have been put on paid administrative leave pending an investigation.

He also said he has asked the State Attorney's Office to "act expeditiously" in deciding whether to bring any charges in the incident.

Machen said that he did not see the incident and will wait for a full report before making any further decisions.

"We will make our decisions based on the external review," he said.

Originally posted by BackFire

Yeah man, you mentioned earlier that you may have the option to become a cop. Don't. You clearly don't have the restraint or the knowledge of the laws to be a good one. If you think it's okay to tase anyone just for being an asshat then you really have no business being an officer, last thing we need is more hypocrites with a badge and authority thinking they're serving the peace while not even realizing they're promoting unnecessary violence.

Thats what the police academy is for, brainiac.

Tasered student videotaped by own camera
5:24 p.m.

One of the many videos circulating of a University of Florida student being Tasered by police was shot with the student's own camera.

Clarissa Jessup, who was standing near Adam Meyer just before UF Police took him into custody during U.S. Sen. John Kerry's speech at UF, said Meyer asked her to film him asking Kerry a question just before he approached the microphone.

That fact has given rise to rumors that Meyer, who aspires to work in national media, was performing an elaborate stunt. But Jessup, who says she never met Meyer prior to the forum, says she thinks he simply wanted a video of himself talking to Kerry.

"I don't even know this kid," said Jessup, rebuffing any notion that she'd collaborated with Meyer to film an incident he knew would escalate.

-- Jack Stripling/The Gainesville Sun

UF identifies two officers placed on leave
4:30 p.m.

The University of Florida identified two officers placed on administrative leave with pay after a student was shot with a Taser and arrested during a speech Monday by U.S. Sen. John Kerry.

Sgt. Eddie King and Officer Nicole Mallo have been placed on leave, said UF spokesman Steve Orlando Tuesday afternoon.

The two officers were identified as the supervising officer who had ordered that the Taser be used and the officer who used it.

Additional information about how long the two have been with the department was not immediately available.

Suspending the officers was one of several steps taken by the university after the arrest of UF student Andrew W. Meyer on Monday.

UF Police Chief Linda Stump has requested that the Florida Department of Law Enforcement conduct the formal investigation into Meyer's arrest. The officers' suspension is pending the outcome of the investigation.

The university also is planning to assemble a panel of faculty and students to review police protocols, management practices and the FDLE report and come up with recommendations for the university.

-- Lise Fisher/The Gainesville Sun

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
yes it does and I agree with it. but do you not see the guy acting a fool, waving his hands in the air, getting all loud and shit? how could the cops know what he was up to? as far as they know, he could have been a member of the taliban.

he was Disturbing the peace, plain and simple. he knew what he was doing, he knew that they would try and escort him,and he knew they would arrest him when he tried to run. he just got more than he bargained for.

dont you think if he would have been more tactful, more polite, that they would have let him speak his mind? why the antics? why the screaming and arm flailing? why so damn accusatory? he didnt even give Kerry a chance to answer his questions.

He could also have been Jesus's second coming, that's why good judgement is essential to being an officer, as I stated several post before.

Do I think he's an ass? Sure, but it's his right to be an ass and express his opinions in an "assey" manor. Do cops have the right to use tasers because people are asses, or is the use of tasers for protecting officers for possible threats?

Students march to protest Tasering
1:37 p.m.

About 200 people marched to the University of Florida Police Department Tuesday afternoon in protest of the arrest of a college student who was shot with a Taser gun during a speech by U.S. Sen. John Kerry Monday.

The crowd, made up mostly of UF students, carried signs that said, "Don't Tase bro" and "Free speech is not a felony." Some called the police names.

But the march remained peaceful with protestors being met by a UF Police lieutenant. UF spokesman Steve Orlando also spoke to the group, who were told that two police officers, one the officer who used the Taser on student Andrew W. Meyer and the sergeant who had ordered the action, had been placed on paid administrative leave.

UF Student Body President Ryan Moseley also tried to speak to the crowd.

An online post announcing the march, which started at the Plaza of the Americans, had called for officers involved to be suspended and investigated, policies involving disrupting speech and using weapons such as Tasers to be re-evaluated and all charges against the student to be dropped.

The group began to disperse at about 12:45 p.m. after learning that UF President Bernie Machen had announced a news conference had been scheduled for 2 p.m. at Emerson Alumni Hall.

There were no reports that officers arrested or cited any of the protestors.

-- Chad Smith/The Gainesville Sun

Originally posted by RUNMAN
Tasered student videotaped by own camera
5:24 p.m.

One of the many videos circulating of a University of Florida student being Tasered by police was shot with the student's own camera.

Clarissa Jessup, who was standing near Adam Meyer just before UF Police took him into custody during U.S. Sen. John Kerry's speech at UF, said Meyer asked her to film him asking Kerry a question just before he approached the microphone.

That fact has given rise to rumors that Meyer, who aspires to work in national media, was performing an elaborate stunt. But Jessup, who says she never met Meyer prior to the forum, says she thinks he simply wanted a video of himself talking to Kerry.

"I don't even know this kid," said Jessup, rebuffing any notion that she'd collaborated with Meyer to film an incident he knew would escalate.

-- Jack Stripling/The Gainesville Sun

see? it was a circus sideshow from the get go.

ACLU: Incident should have been avoided
2:47 p.m.

The American Civil Liberties Union of Florida has released a statement condemning the use of a Taser gun in the arrest of University of Florida student Andrew Meyer on campus Monday.

Executive Director Howard Simon said aside from the possible use of excessive force, the response of the University Police Department "squandered the free speech rights of both Kerry and Meyer."

Simon said people have a reasonable expectation to ask questions in a public setting, and Sen. John Kerry had a reasonable expectation to be able to answer those questions.

"That is free speech, plain and simple," he said.

-- Diane Chun/The Gainesville Sun

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
see my previous post.

I see it, there's no answer to the question. Again, how was he being threatening and resisting while being held against the ground with his arms behind his back?

Also, here's that hypocritical ignorance part --

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
yes it does and I agree with it. but do you not see the guy acting a fool, waving his hands in the air, getting all loud and shit? how could the cops know what he was up to? as far as they know, he could have been a member of the taliban.

There's so much wrong with this train of thought that it almost seems like self parody.

First, so am I to assume you only agree with freedom of speech when it's tactful and quiet? Because clearly you don't agree with freedom of speech as it's (meant to) exist in this country. Freedom of speech doesn't go out the window because the guy was being a "fool". Freedom of speech protects fools just as much as genius's.

Second, when he was waving his hands in the air, that's the time they should have volted him, when he could be considered a legit and possible threat! Not wait until he's subdued and motionless!

Lastly, that final line is just pathetic. ANYONE could be a possible member of the taliban. For all I know, you are. Does that make it okay for a cop to attack you or anyone else? Because they 'could' be a terrorist. Christ no, that lazy and, frankly, scary way of thinking is what gives rise to dictatorships and fascism. Innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around.

Sen. Kerry releases statement
1:22 pm, September 18, 2007

Sen. John Kerry said that through dialogue he may have been able to resolve the outburst that occurred during his speech Monday at the University of Florida.

He issued the statement Tuesday afternoon indicating his regret for the incident that resulted in police Tasering a student.

"I believe I could have handled the situation without interruption, but I do not know what warnings or other exchanges transpired between the young man and the police prior to his barging to the front of the line and their intervention," Kerry's statement said.

"In 37 years of public appearances, through wars, protests and highly emotional events, I have never had a dialogue end this way," Kerry said adding he was in the process of responding to Andrew Meyer's questions when police intervened.

-- Megan Rolland/Gainesville Sun

Originally posted by Robtard
He could also have been Jesus's second coming, that's why good judgement is essential to being an officer, as I stated several post before.

Do I think he's an ass? Sure, but it's his right to be an ass and express his opinions in an "assey" manor. Do cops have the right to use tasers because people are asses, or is the use of tasers for protecting officers for possible threats?

the latter.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Thats what the police academy is for, brainiac.

You're aware that there are cops who have committed criminal offenses right? I can guarantee you; with 100% certainty, that those cops also went through the Academy.

Two officers suspended in Tasering

University of Florida Police are seeking an independent review of an incident Monday where a student was shot with a Taser and arrested during U.S. Sen. John Kerry's speech. Two officers involved also have been placed on paid administrative leave, a letter from UF President Bernie Machen states.

A letter has been sent to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement asking for an independent review, UF Police Chief Linda Stump confirmed.

“We plan to assemble a panel of faculty and students to review our police protocols, our management practices and the FDLE report to come up with a series of recommendations for the university,” Machen's letter states. “Administrators and police officials plan to analyze the incident and conduct an internal review and will consider changing protocols in response to this incident, if necessary.”

“Obviously I think that's the right thing to do. I think it has risen to the level where it needs outside scrutiny to be judged independently,” Stump said Tuesday morning.

A news conference on the incident has been scheduled for 2 p.m. in Emerson Alumni Hall.

UF student Andrew W. Meyer, 21, was being released from the Alachua County jail on his own recognizance Tuesday morning after university police arrested him Monday.

Meanwhile, some students had planned a march on the UF Police Department regarding the incident.

Meyer, a student in the College of Journalism and Communications, questioned Kerry about why he didn't contest the 2004 presidential election and why there had been no moves to impeach President Bush. Officers tried to physically remove him and eventually threatened to use the Taser on Meyer.

Meyer did not “comply,” according to police, and resisted being handcuffed. He was then shot with the Taser.

Meyer was charged with resisting an officer with violence, a third-degree felony, and disturbing the peace, a second-degree misdemeanor, according to court records. Alachua County court records do not show he has been charged in any other criminal cases in the county.

Meyers is being represented by a private attorney, according to court records. The attorney listed, Gainesville lawyer Robert Griscti, could not immediately reached Tuesday morning.

An announcement about the march had been posted online and said it was planned to start at noon in the Plaza of the Americas.

"The student didn't do anything to deserve getting pulled down by six officers and then Tasered as they held him to the floor of the auditorium," the post stated. "The charge is bogus. Watch the videos. He was censored."

The post also includes a list of demands. "Despite the call from other groups to ban Tasers on campus, here's what I'm asking for," it states. It calls for the officers involved to be suspended and investigated, policies involving disrupting speech and using weapons such as Tasers to be re-evaluated and all charges against the student to be dropped.

Originally posted by Robtard
You're aware that there are cops who have committed criminal offenses right? I can guarantee you; with 100% certainty, that those cops also went through the Academy.
so let a few bad apples condemn the rest? 😆 ridiculous.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
the latter.

So, for the 10th+ time now that you've been asked, what threat is a lone guy, who's pinned down by four officers, to those officers?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
so let a few bad apples condemn the rest? 😆 ridiculous.

Did you miss the point on purpose?

The point: Going through the Academy does not guarantee that officers will not abuse their training and legal powers, as you seem to think.

Originally posted by Robtard
So, for the 10th+ time now that you've been asked, what threat is a lone guy, who's pinned down by four officers, to those officers?
and for the tenth time, we dont know, because we werent there. thats why the court relies on things called "witnesses", and "evidence."

IMO, the acts of the officers were ultra vires...