Student gets arrested and tasered at John Kerry Forum

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
It's the same old story we hear every damn day. "Why are cops such assholes? why do cops stop us because we look suspect? why is it when a cop stops me, he puts that big light on my car, so I cant see him, and his hand is resting on his gun?"

because cops have no way of knowing what any one suspect is capable of. they have no idea what is waiting for them in the car they stop. they have no way of knowing when they will encounter a suspect that will do anything in their power to kill them. they have to assume that every encounter they have is potentially life threatening.

What the heck does this have to do with what I said? Expecting the worst about someone is fine, I know that they need to do that for safety.

What's not okay is assuming the worst about someone and then basing their course of action on that assumption.

All that has nothing to do with them tazing someone once he was subdued (which you admit to, now).

Originally posted by BackFire
You never said acting a fool is tazer worthy?

You directly stated that, in response to Robtard telling you that the first amendment guarantees our safety while speaking freely. You insinuate that acting a fool, waving his hands in the air and "getting loud" shouldn't be protected by freedom of speech and is thus tazer worthy, since that's what you're maintaining that he did. Also it's funny because you don't even realize you are disagreeing with freedom of speech, right there.

Yes, I did find it odd, then I went and found another video clip that is 3+ minutes that show's the whole thing. There is still a single cut, but it is much less drastic than the cut in the video posted in the original post.

And there, you freely admit now that he was subdued on the ground when the tazing took place. But that's fine, right? Cuz he was acting a fool and "being loud". Right on.

Yes, the cops tasered him. Yes it "looks" as if he is subdued. It looks like alot of things.

If the idiot would have kept his cool and not acted the way he did, then everything would have been fine.

Basically you are defending NOT his first amendment rights. but the fact that he raised hell, and paid for it in the end.

How did they know he wouldnt charge across the stage and stab Kerry to death? this is a crazy world, alot of crazier shit has happened.

Originally posted by BackFire
What the heck does this have to do with what I said? Expecting the worst about someone is fine, I know that they need to do that for safety.

What's not okay is assuming the worst about someone and then basing their course of action on that assumption.

All that has nothing to do with them tazing someone once he was subdued (which you admit to, now).

show me that, and what happened before he was on the ground, and I might totally change my opinion on this.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
dood, stop trying to contort my posts into what you want. I never directly said what you are insinuating. I meant that when someone is acting like that, they have to expect the reprecussions that follow, and you KNOW this is what I meant. he was being beligerent and violently animated, there was no way of knowing what he would do next.

Yes, the cops tasered him. Yes it "looks" as if he is subdued. It looks like alot of things.

If the idiot would have kept his cool and not acted the way he did, then everything would have been fine.

Basically you are defending NOT his first amendment rights. but the fact that he raised hell, and paid for it in the end.

How did they know he wouldnt charge across the stage and stab Kerry to death? this is a crazy world, alot of crazier shit has happened.

I'm not contorting shit. You said that in response. It's not my fault that that's what is logically infered from your post that I quoted. I'm not going to sit here and make your posts make sense. It's your responsibility to say what you mean and mean what you say.

And apparently those repercussions for acting a fool and being loud is being tasered, which again you've insinuated.

Violently animated? Not when he got tased he wasn't. He was lying on the ground face down with his arms behind his back, can't stress this enough. It's not physically possible to be threatening in that state. It didn't "look like" he was subdued, he WAS subdued. He could not, in any concievable way pose a threat at the point when he was tased.

Had the cops tased him when he was actually acting in a manner that could be seen as threatening, rather than waiting until he was subdued, everything would have been fine too.

Err, no I am defending his first amendment right. And his right to not be tasered when he's lying face down subdued. Even John Kerry was willing to answer the questions he posed.

What gives them the idea that he WOULD charge and stab carry? He was making no threatening gestures at Kerry. The only gestures he made was flailing about when the cops grabbed him. Every person asking a question could have harmful intent towards Kerry, so let's tase them all.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
If I saw with my own eyes that he was 100% cuffed and subdued, I'd agree with you, but I have yet to see that.

show me that, and what happened before he was on the ground, and I might totally change my opinion on this.

You just SAID that he was subdued!

He wasn't cuffed, but he was very clearly subdued. Watch the video. He's face down and both of his arms are being tightly held behind his back. What more do you need to see? What are you seeing this guy doing while he's on the ground being held down?

And once again, it does not matter what happened before he was on the ground. All that matters is that when he was on the ground, being tazed, he posed zero threat to the officers. There is no possible physical way he could have done anything in that position. He was, factually, subdued, as per the definition of the word.

do you have some personal issues with people being tasered? Because you are taking this WAY too personal and even more seriously. Do you like know this guy or someone who had it happen to them?

Did an ex taser you in the balls?

I gotta agree with Backfire for the following reasons.

1) Cause for the arrest in the first place was dubious.

2) The fact that it was pure unreserved heavy handed overkill
tasering a guy who according to what we saw, what the witnesses
present saw, posed no current threat to anyone there.

3) I gotta agree that expression in an animated way isn't a crime.
Chris Crocker has never been tasered. Why should this guy?
"Leeeeeaaaaaaveeeeee Britneyyyyyy Alonnnnne"
*Zt-zt-zt-zt-zt-zt-zt-zt-zt!!!!!* 😛

well, in the heat of the moment, I said some things I might not have said otherwise. I just think that people rush to judge without knowing all the facts when it comes to something like this. Sure, it looks like a brutal unjustified tazing, but looks can be deceiving.

Whatever the case, the argument we were having was going nowhere. they were not budging, neither was I, and it was getting tedious. Time to move on to another aspect of the incident.

Lets say the student cooperated, left the forum, and afterwards took up legal matters. What could he have done? What would his grounds be?

They showed that clip like twice on the Fox 25 morning news today, of him on the floor with..

The situation kinda made me chuckle. He was all like "Don't tase me bro! ZAP! OW!, Ow!, Ow!". With the "Ows" a bit too dramatic.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
They showed that clip like twice on the Fox 25 morning news today, of him on the floor with..

The situation kinda made me chuckle. He was all like "Don't tase me bro! ZAP! OW!, Ow!, Ow!". With the "Ows" a bit too dramatic.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
to subdue suspects WITHOUT using lethal force.

...i-in necessary cases.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
They showed that clip like twice on the Fox 25 morning news today, of him on the floor with..

The situation kinda made me chuckle. He was all like "Don't tase me bro! ZAP! OW!, Ow!, Ow!". With the "Ows" a bit too dramatic.

too bad he wasnt a darkie or you might take it a bit serious.
then it would be war, right bozo?

Originally posted by Schecter
too bad he wasnt a darkie or you might take it a bit serious.
then it would be war, right bozo?

Blacks
Dogs
Retards
Other Animals
Other Humans
Whites.

*sigh

birds of a flock...

It's odd though. I heard John Kerry repeatedly asked the police not to intervene and to let him ask his questions and the head of the University stated that he found it wrong too...w-why did the police do anything at all anyways?

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
They showed that clip like twice on the Fox 25 morning news today, of him on the floor with..

The situation kinda made me chuckle. He was all like "Don't tase me bro! ZAP! OW!, Ow!, Ow!". With the "Ows" a bit too dramatic.

If you thought that was funny, take a look at this one, you'll be on the flooring rolling.
YouTube video
Sorry there's no audio, but imagine it went like this "Don't beat me bro!" *BEAT* OW!, Ow!, Ow!"

The Rodney King beat down.

Hahahaha.

LAPD FTW.

Sadly, there were no available tasers during that beatdown...

again....not showing what RK was doing before the beat down.