Darth Revan's Sith Empire vs The empire (Empire Strike Back)

This battle is mainly a battle of stategy

This Battle would take place over a neutral planet, with both armadas.

The battle is not as much about size but about strategy.

which side would win?

I personally think that Revan's empire would win, because Revan was an expert statgist, and also he has the star forge suppling his ships, so presumably he would have a large force.

Originally posted by Spartan 063
This battle is mainly a battle of stategy

This Battle would take place over a neutral planet, with both armadas.

The battle is not as much about size but about strategy.

which side would win?

I personally think that Revan's empire would win, because Revan was an expert statgist, and also he has the star forge suppling his ships, so presumably he would have a large force.

So each side has ALL of their ships and superweapons in tact?

The GE PWNS!!! (Literally)

Originally posted by Spartan 063
I personally think that Revan's empire would win, because Revan was an expert statgist, and also he has the star forge suppling his ships, so presumably he would have a large force.

1. Yes, Revan was an expert strategist, which is nothing special considering the Empire's lineup of the people who are just as, if not more skilled than Revan in the area. Empire takes this.

2. The Star Forge isn't indestructible, and just because it can supply ships doesn't turn the tide in Revan's favor. The only thing the Forge has going for it is a field that deactivates ships within a small range, but with the Imperial Fleet's firepower, such a point is moot. Empire takes this as well.

3. Imperial tech is way ahead, giving them a huge advantage considering Revan fights against ships he has never seen before and is completely unfamiliar with the strengths and weaknesses they possess. The Empire has far greater firepower and a superweapon that greatly surpasses anything the Star Forge can muster. Empire takes this too.

This has been argued before. Matter of fact, it was concurred the Imperial Remnant could take Revan's Sith. Empire wins.

Originally posted by Se7in
1. Yes, Revan was an expert strategist, which is nothing special considering the Empire's lineup of the people who are just as, if not more skilled than Revan in the area. Empire takes this.

3. Imperial tech is way ahead, giving them a huge advantage considering Revan fights against ships he has never seen before and is completely unfamiliar with the strengths and weaknesses they possess. The Empire has far greater firepower and a superweapon that greatly surpasses anything the Star Forge can muster. Empire takes this too.

This has been argued before. Matter of fact, it was concurred the Imperial Remnant could take Revan's Sith. Empire wins. [/B]

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
And this is relevant to this specific debate how?

Probably because the empire has more ships and man power than the remnant.

Originally posted by Se7in
1. Yes, Revan was an expert strategist, which is nothing special considering the Empire's lineup of the people who are just as, if not more skilled than Revan in the area. Empire takes this.

Originally posted by Se7in
2. The Star Forge isn't indestructible, and just because it can supply ships doesn't turn the tide in Revan's favor. The only thing the Forge has going for it is a field that deactivates ships within a small range, but with the Imperial Fleet's firepower, such a point is moot. Empire takes this as well.

Death Star is the only real threat to the Star Forge. Though it itself is not indestructable. If the insignificant rebellion can take it down then Revan's ships can also do that. Revan would surely plan something in advance to deal with this kind of threat.

Originally posted by Se7in
3. Imperial tech is way ahead, giving them a huge advantage considering Revan fights against ships he has never seen before and is completely unfamiliar with the strengths and weaknesses they possess. The Empire has far greater firepower and a superweapon that greatly surpasses anything the Star Forge can muster. Empire takes this too.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Actually, the only being we can say that was a better tactician in the SW universe, would be Thrawn. That is it.

Ackbar nearly matched Thrawn's skill. A newer Bothan General actually defeated Thrawn in a simulator. I'd say there are many people who have come close or surpassed Revan.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
If you are going to say Revan loses because he is "unfamiliar" with the Empire's technology, I'm going to say that the Empire loses because they are unfamiliar with Revan's technology. This is a terrible line of thought.

Actually not. All the Imperials have to do is open a textbook.

I'll say it again, the GE PWNS!!!

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Ackbar nearly matched Thrawn's skill. A newer Bothan General actually defeated Thrawn in a simulator. I'd say there are many people who have come close or surpassed Revan.

Actually not. All the Imperials have to do is open a textbook.

I'll say it again, the GE PWNS!!!

Textbook? Gosh I didn't know that Revan's Empire and fleet details were in Imperial text books.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
This is your unfounded opinion.

Yes, the Bothan winning the Thrawn simulator is my unfounded opinion.

Ackbar being stated to nearly match Thrawn in the Thrawn trilogy must be my unfounded opinion. Thankyou very much dumbass.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Textbook? Gosh I didn't know that Revan's Empire and fleet details were in Imperial text books.

Military history, moron.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Yes, the Bothan winning the Thrawn simulator is my unfounded opinion.

Military history, moron.

Calm down you prepubescent jackass. You're assuming their military history goes back that far..

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
No, that there are "many people that have surpassed Revan".

Except for the fact that I never said that, care to learn how to read?

Calm down you prepubescent jackass. You're assuming their military history goes back that far..

The Empire curbstomps Revan's boys.

Greater tech (better defense)

Greater fire power

Greater no.s

Greater specific training (Clone troopers vs Enlisted ordinary people. Improved training for Officers)

And whats this about Revan being the second best strategist in SW?

I would put Ackbar, Thrawn and Oppo Rancis (who actually had strategies named after him and was one of the greatest strategist of his era) above him without a second thought. Anyone else and it boils down to a debate on evidence (which there's very little of on either side).

Revan was good/great at military strategy, this doesn't translate to: "greatest strategist outside of Thrawn". I wouldn't rank Revan anywhere on his strategy. It's enough for me to know that he was good enough to help the Republic win the Mando Wars and especially, defeat the Mando's at Malachor 5.

Yet more unsubstantiated claims. I don't care what you "would" do. Make an argument or don't post.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
[B]A newer Bothan General actually defeated Thrawn in a simulator. I'd say there are many people who have come close or surpassed Revan.

Anyways, Empire wins due to technology and numbers.

ESB wins IMO.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Yet more unsubstantiated claims. I don't care what you "would" do. Make an argument or don't post.

Revan has plenty to his resume to be considered #2. MORE than enough.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Revan has plenty to his resume to be considered #2. MORE than enough.

Just curious in which book did a new bothan general beat thrawn in a simulator?

It is Nek Bwua'tu from Unseen Queen.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Nek_Bwua%27tu