Darth Revan's Sith Empire vs The empire (Empire Strike Back)

Are you guys forgetting Revans best advantage. He has thousands of dark jedi in his army, plus the powerful star forge droids (if those droids can take down jedi they can each kill 100 of those stupid storm troopers lol). Whoever said the empire had a larger force? Revan had the Star Forge so that means he'll have more ships. Also Revan is a brilliant military leader.

Looks like someone hasn't been reading the topic...

1) He has thousands of Dark Jedi in his army. Yet none of them are really worthy of recognition outside of Revan, Malak, and Bandon. If they attempt to take part in a space battle, then these "thousands of Dark Jedi" are overwhelmed by sheer numbers. If they take part in a land battle...Well, let's just say that the ground isn't a good place to attempt fighting a Star Destroyer in the sky. Not to mention that the Empire isn't exactly short on Dark Jedi. And most of them are pretty decent quality Force Users, as compared to the nobodies we see in KOTOR.

2) Again, SF droids aren't that useful for anything but land combat. Even assuming that they are used, being able to kill Jedi (I don't recall them doing so, but I'll wait for an example before saying otherwise), that doesn't specifically mean they can kill stormtroopers. Jedi and regular soldiers fight in very different styles. Taking down a single Jedi with a lightsaber is different than facing down concentrated fire from dozens of troops.

3) The Empire clearly has a larger force. Revan's military wasn't able to overpower the severely weakened Republic (Y'know, the one that just went through a war with Exar Kun and a war with the Mandalorians before Revan took 1/3 of its forces and turned on it). The Galactic Empire, at the least, has 25,000 Star Destroyers, which outmatch even Revan's Leviathan models by a vast margin. And you really don't want to get the Executor or Eclipse Dreadnaughts involved in this.

4) This has already been addressed several times. Yes, Revan is a brilliant military leader. But the empire has roughly a dozen strategists/tacticians on Revan's level, as well as two who are superior to him.

And I'll be honest, since Palpatine or Vader could manhandle any of Revan's Sith forces, if it comes down to the Empire possibly losing a ground campaign -- which is supremely unlikely -- Palpatine will just bombard it from orbit.

And I'll be honest, since Palpatine or Vader could manhandle any of Revan's Sith forces, if it comes down to the Empire possibly losing a ground campaign -- which is supremely unlikely -- Palpatine will just bombard it from orbit.

I can't really see the Empire losing a ground campaign though. I mean, they just have so much in terms of sheer manpower that I can't see them being overpowered by Revan's forces if they go all out.

Originally posted by Gideon
And I'll be honest, since Palpatine or Vader could manhandle any of Revan's Sith forces, if it comes down to the Empire possibly losing a ground campaign -- which is supremely unlikely -- Palpatine will just bombard it from orbit.

Originally posted by Gideon
Thrawn couldn't officially be made a Grand Admiral because there were already twelve at one given time. He was secretly promoted, but officially replaced Zaarin.

thats what I thought

Uh. No. Not even close.[/B]

But in the first battle Zaarin was fleeing when Thrawn arrived and at that point Vader had already disabled his fighter Support.

In his campaign he stalemated Thrawn thats correct but he lost a increasing number of ships during so didn't he???

In the last battle Zaarin got away but from my point of view mostly because Thrawns ships didn't arrive and because Thrawn had planned it so that the corvette would kill Zaarin

(It's been a long time since I last read this)

But in the first battle Zaarin was fleeing when Thrawn arrived and at that point Vader had already disabled his fighter Support.

And that would be the logical reason for his departure, wouldn't you think? He failed to capture Emperor Palpatine and was facing the galaxy's most skilled fighter pilot/Dark Lord of the Sith as well as a fellow genius who has vastly superior resources to call upon.

In his campaign he stalemated Thrawn thats correct but he lost a increasing number of ships during so didn't he???

And, again, what's your point? It was the Empire vs. Zaarin's forces. Hardly an equitable match. In fact, the scale of resources and ships at Thrawn's command vastly -- you'd pretty much have to invent new numbers to calculate it -- outstrips Zaarin's own. Thrawn was working with relatively unlimited resources; Zaarin wasn't.

In the last battle Zaarin got away but from my point of view mostly because Thrawns ships didn't arrive and because Thrawn had planned it so that the corvette would kill Zaarin

Zaarin escaped because Thrawn lacked the decisive ability to best him in combat, but yes, you're correct: Thrawn did arrange for Zaarin's death (which we can attribute this to Zaarin's notorious technophilia). However, using those sketchy circumstances to declare superiority would be fallacious. Wedge Antilles foiled Thrawn during once and decisively. Is he the superior tactition? No.

Originally posted by Gideon
And that would be the logical reason for his departure, wouldn't you think? He failed to capture Emperor Palpatine and was facing the galaxy's most skilled fighter pilot/Dark Lord of the Sith as well as a fellow genius who has vastly superior resources to call upon.

And, again, what's your point? It was the Empire vs. Zaarin's forces. Hardly an equitable match. In fact, the scale of resources and ships at Thrawn's command vastly -- you'd pretty much have to invent new numbers to calculate it -- outstrips Zaarin's own. Thrawn was working with relatively unlimited resources; Zaarin wasn't.

Zaarin escaped because Thrawn lacked the decisive ability to best him in combat, but yes, you're correct: Thrawn did arrange for Zaarin's death (which we can attribute this to Zaarin's notorious technophilia). However, using those sketchy circumstances to declare superiority would be fallacious. Wedge Antilles foiled Thrawn during once and decisively. Is he the superior tactition? No.

I isn't trying to prove anything just wanted to get a few facts clear.

the technology of ESB is way more advanced then KOTOR which already gives the advantage to the imperial armada, not to mention the fact that the death star would demolish the star forge and any ships that happen to be in the line of fire.