cavemen etc were not intellectually mature enough to have such concise notions of spirituality/life/DEATH/ and hence after life. im not being condescending, or trying to be. but i think they cudnt put abstract notions into such concise concepts and then extrapolate from such concepts what exactly death implied and what is existance vs non existance or a possibility of the GIVEN personal conciousness from dying. i cud be wrong though.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
cavemen etc were not intellectually mature enough to have such concise notions of spirituality/life/DEATH/ and hence after life. im not being condescending, or trying to be. but i think they cudnt put abstract notions into such concise concepts and then extrapolate from such concepts what exactly death implied and what is existance vs non existance or a possibility of the GIVEN personal conciousness from dying. i cud be wrong though.
thats not my point. im saying since thats true, what happened to them. also what happens according to christian belief, to people before the invention of christianity?
lol, christianity can never give you the answer for that. ull just end up with many conflicting points of view based on vague verses which might or might not be likened to the situation of such people as you inquire about. its because christianity is not what it claims to be. it is neither divine, nor is its view of the world correct or its claims.
Originally posted by chickenlover98Well Christianity has only existed since about 33AD. Obviously it was preceded by Judaism which can be dated back to around 1500BC. According to the Bible, faith in Yahweh goes right back to Adam. Like Judaism, this faith was not popular amongst the masses nearly right from the start. According to the Bible, as early as the seventh generation from Adam, the prophet Enoch already needed to try and direct people back to righteousness.
thats not my point. im saying since thats true, what happened to them. also what happens according to christian belief, to people before the invention of christianity?
Originally posted by Nellinator
Well Christianity has only existed since about 33AD. Obviously it was preceded by Judaism which can be dated back to around 1500BC. According to the Bible, faith in Yahweh goes right back to Adam. Like Judaism, this faith was not popular amongst the masses nearly right from the start. According to the Bible, as early as the seventh generation from Adam, the prophet Enoch already needed to try and direct people back to righteousness.
not the point. christianity does not address these points, therefore it cant be taken seriously. before religion was started and before humans therewere cavemen and neanderthals. 2 different humanoids. they both died out to homosapiens. this is proven through fossils. do not argue god created only us. its a dumb argument. now answer my question what happened to them huh? we had to develop to even understand a complex concept like religion. clearly god didnt create us or we wouldnt have had to evolve
Originally posted by chickenlover98
thats not my point. im saying since thats true, what happened to them. also what happens according to christian belief, to people before the invention of christianity?
Good point.
But I think what you really mean is, "what happened to the people who weren't Jews before Christianity?" According to the writings in the four gospels, Christ was simply fulfilling laws that had always existed in the Jewish religion. That means the Jews that had followed those laws were living according to God's commandments.
But it still leaves you to ask about all the other religions that didn't have the ten commandments, doesn't it? I don't really know. 😮
Originally posted by Quark_666
Good point.But I think what you really mean is, "what happened to the people who weren't Jews before Christianity?" According to the writings in the four gospels, Christ was simply fulfilling laws that had always existed in the Jewish religion. That means the Jews that had followed those laws were living according to God's commandments.
But it still leaves you to ask about all the other religions that didn't have the ten commandments, doesn't it? I don't really know. 😮
Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
This is fairly "up to interpretation." Some people might say that they were sent straight to hell. Personally, I take a more "Dante's Inferno" approach to the situation: those non-Jews who followed the Moral Law and served their deities to the best of their knowledge are not in heaven, but they are not in the hell of people like Sodom and Gomorrah. Rather, they're in an area that is more like the Asphodel Meadows of Greek mythology.
That still gives Jews a greater spiritual status then anybody else.
Originally posted by leonheartmmSheol wasn't changed in the NT. It's simply stupid translations that don't recognize the difference between the lake of fire and Sheol.
but that wudnt be fair wud it. sheol wud still be pretty bad, and they werent given the same chance as those after them after the coming of christ. besides, i think the whole there was shoel before christ which was changed to hell after he was crucified, logic is stupid.
Well, they're sure not chosen anymore...
This is fairly "up to interpretation." Some people might say that they were sent straight to hell. Personally, I take a more "Dante's Inferno" approach to the situation: those non-Jews who followed the Moral Law and served their deities to the best of their knowledge are not in heaven, but they are not in the hell of people like Sodom and Gomorrah. Rather, they're in an area that is more like the Asphodel Meadows of Greek mythology.Where do you get that from??
Originally posted by debbiejo
Well, they're sure not chosen anymore...Where do you get that from??
Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
Thank you, leonheartmm, for stating that you know what Sheol is like. I forgot that someone as adamantly anti-Christian as you are would clearly know that Sheol would be "pretty bad."With your own words, you summarize your entire posting history: "logic is stupid."
anti christian{im anti false logic btw. n anti suffering} =/= lack of knowledge about the relegion in question. but then again i cud be wrong.
EDUCATE me, on what shoel is. cause obviously i dont have a clue.
{btw, by TRANSFORM i dont mean physically. i mean REPLACED by hell. srry for the misunderstanding.}