Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You do realize that Moving the planet earth at a steady pace, against the sun's gravity takes more power than destroying a planet don't you? Have you done the physics of it all? I don't think you have. And I want you to prove to me that the planet that BRB busted up was any bigger than the moon that superman flew thru. Which happens to be a moon of the largest planet in the solar system. You also realize that BRB hadn't busted any planets on his own. It was the hammer that did the majority of the work.
You do realize that superman flying through a moon is a speed and durability feat. Hell, if you give cannonball enough speed, he could pull the same trick. Superman has never proven yet that he is a planet buster. I want to see some on panel proof that he has planet destroying strength or he has the ability to destroy a planet just like gladiator and brb has shown ON PANEL.
The reason why I think that the 2 planets that beta ray bill destroyed was bigger then the moon that superman destroyed is due to the fact that 1. the planets had moons of it on and 2 the moon that superman flew through didnt look as close as being as big as earths moon. It looked about 1/3 of earths moon. But again that was a speed and durability feat for superman and it was a difference, superman split the moon, brb blew up a planet and turned another planet to dust.
Doesnt beta ray hammer belong to him. Isnt his hammer a part of him just like superman heat vision is a part of him. The hammer and bill is one.
Beta ray has feats that is close to what superman prime has done, so why are you all putting prime against sky fathers.
Originally posted by carver9
You do realize that superman flying through a moon is a speed and durability feat. Hell, if you give cannonball enough speed, he could pull the same trick. Superman has never proven yet that he is a planet buster. I want to see some on panel proof that he has planet destroying strength or he has the ability to destroy a planet just like gladiator and brb has shown ON PANEL.The reason why I think that the 2 planets that beta ray bill destroyed was bigger then the moon that superman destroyed is due to the fact that 1. the planets had moons of it on and 2 the moon that superman flew through didnt look as close as being as big as earths moon. It looked about 1/3 of earths moon. But again that was a speed and durability feat for superman and it was a difference, superman split the moon, brb blew up on planet and turned another planet to dust.
Doesnt beta ray hammer belong to him. Isnt his hammer a part of him just like superman heat vision is a part of him. The hammer and bill is one.
Beta ray has feats that is close to what superman prime has done, so why are you all putting prime against sky fathers.
You are from SHC aren't you? I can surely tell. Well take this back with you courtesy of nvr.
Speed and durability won't allow you to destory a planet. If you were going fast enough, you'd likely just shoot thru a planet and make a hole in it. Thier has to be a transfer of energy that sends shock waves thru a celestial body that destroys it. If Superman's arms where not strong enough to with stand the impact of hitting the Moon, They would have snapped becuz his muscles wouldn't have been able to stand the strain.
SBP has fought the JLA, JSA, and Others, ALong with some titans, And gaurdians. Gaurdians are at the lowest, skfather, at the highest, abstract as they wield the power of WILL itself. That is why we are pitting SBP against Skyfathers. When has thanos pwned so many heroes at once without a power up of some kind? How many Planets has he bashed?
Thanos' showing against Odin is impressive, as is his showing against Tyrant. However, he was clearly fighting out of his league in both fights. For that matter, Thor with the Power Gem had the advantage against Thanos physically and he resorted to using a tech gun to win.
SBP had the advantage against an Ion-powered Daxamite even before he was weakened, looked to be on the same level as The Guardians for raw power, and nonchalantly dismantled The Anti-Monitor (granted he was weakened, but as we know from COIE he's still a major threat in that state).
As for SBP "needing" to fly through a planet, it looked to me like he went into the Earth's core so he could grab ahold and rip it in two. His physical rearrangment of the universe so that its center changed, ability to change reality by punching, and ability to break through The Source Wall are all more impressive than planet busting.
Besides, space feats are really secondary to hiearchy. Thanos and Drax going all out merely destroyed a planet back in the original Starlin issues. In Infinity Abyss, narration states that one of Thanos' best blasts (it was directed toward Omega) was strong enough to destroy a mountain. Starlin's narration in IG also put the combined power of Firelord, The Hulk, Drax, Thor, and Dr. Doom as being able to destroy "a small planet."
Different writers hold different opinions as to just what degree top tiers should be able to affect the universe. What really matters is the hiearchy. For instance, Doomsday being unaffected by a gas station explosion wouldn't normally be impressive, but it becomes impressive when in the same scene, Superman is KOed by the explosion and Maxima is rendered comatose.
Doomsday does not have feats as good as Prime's. Even in his best showings, Superman managed to hold his own one on one with DD for pages.
Superman amped with a Motherbox and with assistance from Waverider got demolished by DD.
Doomsday also beat Orion, Superman's closest equal IMO, as well as J'onn in like, wasn't it said to be just a minute?
only Doomsday REX was below Superman, I believe. Every other incarnation was stronger. Yes, even DOS Doomsday as evidenced with DD laughing while Superman is "dead." (yeah, yeah. He wasn't "really" dead but that whole story and explanation was stupid)
And Doomsday's biggest win was a sucker against Darkseid.
what could DS do? His most powerful attack had already been shrugged off by Doomsday and the author of the comic said he thought DD should wreck Darkseid in aphysical fight.
Not as impressive as SBP's showings against Ion, Guardians, or The Anti-Monitor.
a weakened novice Ion and an Anti-Monitor who can be killed by being thrown far away....yes impressive
1. Doomsday had a GL ring, and slaughtered WAVES of GLs with it. The narration stated how extreme his willpower was.
this was the weakest form of Doomsday originally as it was pre-DOS
also he survived the Guardian's suicide blast which his willpower and evolutionary abilities did not protect him against
Superman amped with a Motherbox and with assistance from Waverider got demolished by DD.
The Mother Box wasn't implied to be amping his strength or durability in this case. It just gave him weapons and crap. He still held his own against Doomsday HTH better than he has against SBP even with help. Waverider stayed almost completely out of the fight. He only interfered at two points.
In Doomsday Wars, Superman held his own for several pages in #1. In #3, he LET Doomsday beat on him for two pages without being KOed and later rocked Doomsday for two pages with an ambush, even making him bleed.
Doomsday also beat Orion, Superman's closest equal IMO, as well as J'onn in like, wasn't it said to be just a minute?
He didn't beat them. Superman stated that lasting against Doomsday for 60 seconds would be nearly impossible even for them, but when Superman interfered (at 50+ seconds) Orion wasn't even stunned. He did beat Orion one on one in #1, but part of the reason he did it so quickly is that Orion severely underestimated his durability and ability to attack from a distance.
only Doomsday REX was below Superman, I believe. Every other incarnation was stronger. Yes, even DOS Doomsday as evidenced with DD laughing while Superman is "dead." (yeah, yeah. He wasn't "really" dead but that whole story and explanation was stupid)
DD Rex was above Supernman too. And yes DOS Doomsday pretty much made Superman his b*tch throughout the story until the very end. I'd place DOS Doomsday above top tier, although not quite as high as he was later.
But the point is that Doomsday has always had a tougher time against Superman than SBP has.
what could DS do? His most powerful attack had already been shrugged off by Doomsday and the author of the comic said he thought DD should wreck Darkseid in aphysical fight.
1. It wasn't "shrugged off." Doomsday was sent flying, left buried, and was down long enough that he would've been counted out if it were a boxing match. He was so out of it that Darkseid thought he was dead upon surveying his body. In fact, Doomsday grunts as he's getting up (which doesn't occur until after the rubble he was buried under is melted and dries, returning to a solid state -- not exactly an instantaneous process).
Doomsday was incapacitated by one blast from Darkseid (not his greatest weapon, which are the wipeouts) and needed a few moments to recover. SBP instantly shrugged off blasts from Guardians, which are on the same raw power level as the blast Doomsday was hit with. In fact, SBP took a point blank range blast while Doomsday did not.
2. The writer has made various statements. The first one I recall was that he said a straight fight between DS and DS would be a hell of a battle, and if they fought 20 times Doomsday "might win 5 of those scraps." Then when another fan asked him, he implied Darkseid would need tech or intelligence to beat Doomsday. And another time he said the OE is pwerful enough to kill Doomsday, but he could be immune to it after it killed him the first time. I think it's best to just look at the comic itself.
a weakened novice Ion and an Anti-Monitor who can be killed by being thrown far away....yes impressive
Okay, yeah. SBP didn't physically assault A-M before throwing him ... Sure. As for Ion, SBP looked to hold the edge even before the lead poisoning. Besides which, Sodam Yat has plenty of experience as a GL. More experience than Kyle, who was uber as Ion.
How often was Yat's inexperience even mentioned in the story? What I recall was The Guardians referring to him as their "greatest weapon."
this was the weakest form of Doomsday originally as it was pre-DOS
also he survived the Guardian's suicide blast which his willpower and evolutionary abilities did not protect him against
This form of Doomsday was tearing through WAVES of GLs with that ring.
And to say his evolutionary abilities didn't protect him at all is dumb. He was already evolving to the GL energy, and he was protected via the GL ring from the blast. He was shielded from the brunt of the blast by the GL ring (which was destroyed protecting him) and what was left KOed him. Part of the reason the Guardian did that was that he feared Doomsday could adapt to the energy to the point of absorbing the Central Power Battery.