Namor, The Sub-Mariner vs Wolverine

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Originally posted by Melnorme
Recently, Spider-Man's stuff for The Other, Alex Ross's Justice League (whenever it comes out), Infinite Crisis, GL Corps Recharge, random JLA/JSA issues, some Superman stuff...but always Y The Last Man. I mostly get what looks good, miss a lot of stuff, and go back for back issues. 😛

You? What's good lately?

I get Daredevil,Punisher,GL corps,supreme power Hyperion,Runaways,The thing,Books of Doom,and Cable and Deadpool and whenever the other ends I will pick up Amz Spidy and FN Spidy.

I've been thinking of adding the new x-factor book that just came out
reviews have been good and from what I seen looks all right
http://www.livejournal.com/community/scans_daily/1214499.html#cutid1

I will give it a look. Thanks. 🙂

Strongly recommend Y The Last Man, myself. It's not superheroes, but it's F-in good.




"I dunno...about 1/100th of your power...Bub"

😆

And so, the man who was able to do this...

After THIS...

Was defeated by one f*cking stab. 🙄

Again...bad writing.

Originally posted by Zahit
Namor is fresh out of the water and they're fighting in Central Park.
Namor wants to turn Wolverine into a rug for one of his royal bathrooms.
Wolverine wants to slice Namor into so many Atlantean Sushi rolls.
I hope that clears things up...

than namor will probably take the majority...

lol.. you happy now DC...

I would say so. 🙂

Originally posted by Melnorme
I fail to see how any of those would cause a knockout to become more likely. A knockout occurs from an upset to the brain, which causes it to impact with the skull on the side opposite the imparted force. A knockout has more to do with the dissipation of kinetic energy than with how much frequently you snack. I seriously doubt that having a sip of water would affect this, either.

less healing factor- easily KOed
crazy- not wolverine- easily koed

there were a number of circumstances that led up to the low end feat.. they were even literally described to explain why it happened in the first place.. your failure to realize that doesn't change the fact..

and it's not a matter of frequent "snacking" it's a matter of keeping his energy up for his healing factor to work the way it usually does.. 🙄

Originally posted by Melnorme
Visually, it appears to be a knockout, and consistant with how one would occur. The artist drew "stars" around Wolverine's head. His body went limp and felling as he lost motor control, which I can only conclude means that he lost consciousness for at least a brief time. Upon closer inspection of the panels, this was not due to him tripping over a body. How do you explain these events, if not as a loss of conscious control of his body?

in spite of him retaining conciousness the entire time? 😕
I'd say it was a loss of balance and the jumbling of the mind control that did it more than anything.. you are aware there were two downed ninjas in the basement, not just the one with the sword...

he retained conciousness.. didn't even lose it when he fell... just balance.. that's not a KO....

Originally posted by Melnorme
It is the third piece of evidence, and not the only. Wolverine surviving against Sasquatch (who was attempting to pull his punches, per his dialogue, which you failed to mention) is arguably PIS in light of the other pieces of evidence submitted because it wouldn't do to have him knocked out when there was a story to be told.

sasquatch pulling a punch STILL>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elk kick....

other peices of evidence? okay.. why don't you provide them?
and there you go being selective again... it's okay for wolverine to get KOed to advance the story.. but it's not if he's not KOed... pfffft...

Originally posted by Melnorme
Regardless, your hand-waving doesn't simply undo what you have already conceded is a viable piece of evidence. Therefore, we can only conclude that Wolverine has been knocked out by less powerful blows than Namor's, and therefore can be knocked out by Namor.

I've never said he couldn't be KOed by namor... 🤨

strawman... that's not my position..

just that namor has failed to do so... and wolverine's more consistently NOT been KOed by heavy hitters.. so while he CAN knock wolverine out.. it's just not more likely to happen than wolverine not being KOed....

Originally posted by Melnorme
I also fail to see how this is not a solid argument. We have a defined "rules of engagement" for these forums that is necessarily different from what we see in comics. We examine applicable feats, compare strengths and weaknesses, and omit plot elements that story writers love to put in. It is in this last part that we necessarily diverge from what is seen in comics. In the comics, Storm can beat Wonder Woman, Spider-Man can beat Superboy, and Wolverine can beat Lobo. On these forums, that would all be laughed at as utter nonsense, because we recognize authorial fiat when we see it.

Can you recognize how your position is the one which is not solid, now?

no.. because you obviously don't understand the criticism...

if namor is NEVER written correctly.. than darkcrawler can claim ANY feat that shows namor being hurt, beaten, etc etc.. to simply "not count" because it isn't the "correct" representation of him..

his high end feats could also be claimed to not be high enough to correctly represent namor..

if he's never written correctly, then there's no way to tell how his character really is.. no applicable feats to speak of... thus to argue for him would be an argument on how the character SHOULD be represented and not how he really is...

Originally posted by Melnorme
Indulge me this question...how is this KNOWN? Is this knowledge based solely on the example wherein Namor also "didn't dodge"?
cause he... did....

you're making an incorrect inference for me right now...
I thought you would be intelliegent enough to understand that I was implying wolverine's ability to pierce > namor's durability.. rather than setting up an argument for whether or not he can hit namor...

Travel speed doesn't neccasrily transfer to fighting speed in comics, otherwise cannonball would be a speedster too.

Originally posted by Warmonger
Travel speed doesn't neccasrily transfer to fighting speed in comics, otherwise cannonball would be a speedster too.

But if someone can move his limbs with superhuman speeds, could he not do so in a fight too?

Originally posted by jinzin

just that namor has failed to do so... and wolverine's more consistently NOT been KOed by heavy hitters.. so while he CAN knock wolverine out.. it's just not more likely to happen than wolverine not being KOed....

Namor hasn't really tried, to be honest.

On their first encounter, he didn't even hit near full power...

On the second, he attempted to talk peacefully to a man who had just murdered one of his friends...😕

Are you reffereing to his swimming speed. How do you know that doesn't have more to do with his strength than his speed?

Considering that Namor flies it could also easily be the same self propulsion that allows this.

Originally posted by Warmonger
Are you reffereing to his swimming speed. How do you know that doesn't have more to do with his strength than his speed?

Considering that Namor flies it could also easily be the same self propulsion that allows this.

Speed has more to do with swimming then strength. A swimmer can swim faster then a weightlifter, for example...

Namor has also catched missiles, and jumped from meteor to meteor...

And Namor can't fly as fast as he can swim. I believe that his flying speed is maybe tops 400 MPH.

"The motion of the hand, arm, and leg from back to the front should be in the air as much as possible, and in the water, oriented as perfectly as possible, because the returning appendage has to move at least twice as fast as the swimmer, and in the water generates eight times the drag (drag increases with the cube of the speed) of an equal amount of torso frontal area."

Catching missles conisdering that most are going in a predictable line. That sounds like it had more to do with strentgh and duravility and the ability to fly. I mean guys like Cyclops and Wolverine dodge bullets and laser fire by anticipating where they are going to shoot and moving. If they were as strong and durable as Namor they could probalby catch em.

Also Namor cna fly rather fast so going form meteor to metor probably displays his flying speed more than anything.

Originally posted by Warmonger
Catching missles conisdering that most are going in a predictable line. That sounds like it had more to do with strentgh and duravility and the ability to fly. I mean guys like Cyclops and Wolverine dodge bullets and laser fire by anticipating where they are going to shoot and moving. If they were as strong and durable as Namor they could probalby catch em.

Also Namor cna fly rather fast so going form meteor to metor probably displays his flying speed more than anything.

He leapt from meteor to meteor. Meteors move with Mach 32-Mach 221...Namor can't fly THAT fast.

And still, you need to move your hands with VERY fast speeds to catch missiles.

I can anticipate where a bullet is going...am I fast enough to catch it...

No.

Just pictures of Namor's speed...

http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/5183/namorfeat660vq.gif
http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/9686/namorspeedfeat361ma.gif
http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/7674/avengers003173hf.jpg
http://img315.imageshack.us/img315/8904/namorfeat266tn.gif
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http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/6544/namorfeat302xn.gif
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/1133/namorfeat341pp.gif
http://img413.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorfeat795ut.gif
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http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/8859/namorspeedfeat304sm.gif
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http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/8356/namorspeedfeat326rf.gif
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http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/5295/namorspeedfeat342ky.gif
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Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Speed has more to do with swimming then strength. A swimmer can swim faster then a weightlifter, for example...

Namor has also catched missiles, and jumped from meteor to meteor...

And Namor can't fly as fast as he can swim. I believe that his flying speed is maybe tops 400 MPH.

"The motion of the hand, arm, and leg from back to the front should be in the air as much as possible, and in the water, oriented as perfectly as possible, because the returning appendage has to move at least twice as fast as the swimmer, and in the water generates eight times the drag (drag increases with the cube of the speed) of an equal amount of torso frontal area."

Yes but Namor isn't Human and real world physics only go so far, I mean hell for all we know those little wings o his feet are the reason he swims so fast. Conisder his flight speed and his massive strentgh and his quasi mystical nature I do't think namor swims purely on phyiscs alone.

Originally posted by Warmonger
Yes but Namor isn't Human and real world physics only go so far, I mean hell for all we know those little wings o his feet are the reason he swims so fast. Conisder his flight speed and his massive strentgh and his quasi mystical nature I do't think namor swims purely on phyiscs alone.

Because he was able to swim far faster then any other Atlantean before he even had his wings (they grew at the age of 10-15), I think he uses physics...

I've got scans too. Just gimme a sec to get them.