Namor, The Sub-Mariner vs Wolverine · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Not really. Namor is extremely skilled on his own area of fighting. As skilled as Wolverine is on his. Honestly, Wolverine's fighting skills don't apply for shit here. What is he going to do? Grapple him? Use nerve points? Kick him? Punch him? .

"in his area"? what's that? the I'm gonna smash you with a submarine area?

plain and simple logan's better in hand to hand, that's not even up for debate really. and yes they will apply for shit here.. funny you bring up kciks and grappling but ignore fist striking, which is going to be effective with 6 admantium blades that are easily capible of making minced meat out the guy.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Except that Wolverine still has nothing that even comes close to comparing jumps from meteor to meteor and sculpting a statue in a second...

sure he does, giests armor, and feats he's pulled off against the danger room level 120. 😐 we've already danced this dance dc.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Except that Namor has never speedblizted Captain America...
Worked on Spider-Man, though.

sure he has, once in their first hand to hand (he was astonished he missed cap) and again while brainwashed (twice during that fight, both from behind) cap was still able to react.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Who said that he will remain totally unscathed?

you implied it, when riceroost claimed namor would have to fight flawless if he were to go hand to hand, you didn't really argue that point with him..

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Wolverine is just not doing any lasting damage unless he is constantly aiming for stomach, and Namor has been in enough fights to be able to protect his...

you hope he has... but wolverine has been in enough fights to be able to land those shots, or adapt to something else.. even so, wolverin can aim for legs, arms, neck, face, chest... he doesn't have to aim at the stomach.. which he doesn't have issues hitting anyway...

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
And like said before, Namor can easily dodge all those things you mentioned if he wishes, and he HAS.

no he hasn't.. he's had plenty of chances to dodge hits from the likes of daredevil, cap, wolverine, black panther, thing, tiger shark, spidey.. all of these guys have landed blows.. wolverine will land blows... it's that simple.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Sure, if he just stands there and lets him stab straight in stomach, like in their previous fights.

so now your argument is that he let wolvie do it? either that or he was helpless to react.. like when cap slugs him in the face or kicks him in the gut... etc etc...

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Are you suffering from Alzheimer's disease, or just plain forgetting stuff on purpose?

funny coming from a guy who conviently forgets about crucial aspects of the anti-wolverine feats he posts... ie wonderman's sneak attack. ei wendigo's healing factor. ie injured/or pre-beaten up logan. ie logan not fighting back... etc etc etc... hypocrite. pffft..

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
The anchor thing is one. Single. Low. Showing.
Namor has done plenty of Class 100 feats outside of water.

and there are also quite a few where he fails to pull them off as well.. the point remains his strength is a deminishing factor out of water..period.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Of course they don't, if you just disregard them like you have done thus far...

I'm not ignoring them, I just don't think they're anywhere near as impressive as you wish they were. still it's hard to take your feats at face value.. i mean you're trying to uphold that namor/cap's shield incident as if that's the standard and it's not.. in every hand to hand fight cap's been in with namor he's landed hits... when namor wasn't holding back because he was on a mission to kill he was using his abilities and strength better than he usually does, cap still landed blows... when sinestro made the N2 clone which was again using namor's ablities better than namor usually uses them cap landed blows, when controller took namor's powers for himself and tried to fight cap, cap landed blows, when cap was disguised and namor attacked him thinking he was a true enemy, cap landed hits, he reacted to namor's attacks.. same thing when namor was super pissed at cap and attacked him full out.

the lava men were all over namor, he wasn't outspeeding them whatsoever, cap showed he was faster by comparison in hand to hand, same thing with the stone men...
hell even in his fight with hercules. herc admitted namor was faster and herc STILL got his mits on the guy...

show me this untouchable namor.. show me where he's easily been able to avoid blows from an adversary not only as fast as wolverine but as skilled... show me that this has been something that has happened repeatedly.. show me that this is something that's consistent with his character... show me this untouchable, class 7 fighting god that you think he is... I haven't seen it.. plain and simple.

lando005 Senior Member

not this thread again it's like a bad rash it just wont go away

jinzin Senior Member

well I already told dc I'm fine with just agreeing to disagree but he keeps replying to my posts with the smae shit over and over again.. the guy's obsessed he won't let it go.

snoopdogg Big Pimpin

Originally posted by lando005
not this thread again it's like a bad rash it just wont go away

This is actually a reasonable debate on both sides. The guys supporting Wolverine are actually using common sense rather that typical fanboy method.

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by snoopdogg
This is actually a reasonable debate on both sides. The guys supporting Wolverine are actually using common sense rather that typical fanboy method.

meh i've thought that we always had at least a semi decent argument for a hand to hand battle here.. I mean don't get me wrong.. "no holds barred" and namors gonna smash logan with landscape.. but in hand to hand that's just another kinda game altogether..

Badabing Gym rat

Originally posted by jinzin
meh i've thought that we always had at least a semi decent argument for a hand to hand battle here.. I mean don't get me wrong.. "no holds barred" and namors gonna smash logan with landscape.. but in hand to hand that's just another kinda game altogether..

That's a fair assessment. 😎 👆

Grimm22 King of the Castle

Originally posted by jinzin
meh i've thought that we always had at least a semi decent argument for a hand to hand battle here.. I mean don't get me wrong.. "no holds barred" and namors gonna smash logan with landscape.. but in hand to hand that's just another kinda game altogether..

Even though Namor is 10x faster than Wolverine 😐

I think not

Accel Senior Member

Originally posted by jinzin
sure he does, giests armor, and feats he's pulled off against the danger room level 120. 😐 we've already danced this dance dc.

I would actually consider the fast sculpting feat more impressive than fast slicing. It would be much easier to cut around a skinny old man than create a genuine sculpture.

Originally posted by jinzin
funny coming from a guy who conviently forgets about crucial aspects of the anti-wolverine feats he posts... ie wonderman's sneak attack. ei wendigo's healing factor. ie injured/or pre-beaten up logan. ie logan not fighting back... etc etc etc... hypocrite. pffft..

Would Wonderman’s attack have been any different if Wolverine had seen it coming?

Originally posted by snoopdogg
This is actually a reasonable debate on both sides. The guys supporting Wolverine are actually using common sense rather that typical fanboy method.

I agree. This is the kind of debating people miss out on when they're too busy calling Wolverine advocates fanboys.

OneDumbG0 Find Your Own Fire

I still think Wolverine would not get owned. Its kind of odd that Wolvie only remembers one fight with Namor in those scans I posted from the Invader's 'Enemy of the State' tie-in.

If I'm not mistaken, Darkcrawler had posted Wolvie's and Namor's first meeting a while ago. Wolvie happened to be naked back then too and they were fighting in a forest?

Before this fight, I would say Namor 8/10. After this fight, knowing just how tough Namor is and how quickly he can recover, I'd say 6/10 Namor. Some may argue that this fight was badly written, but lets not forget that even conceding that, Wolvie not using a killing blow was holding back for Wolvie. So if Namor got boned by the writing in this fight, so did Wolvie's holding back. I think most people would agree that if Wolvie had to put someone down, he'd do more than a simple gutful of claws. He'd get in there sink em in and eviscerate his opponent.

And come to think of it, although I don't want to encourage a side debate of all things, does anybody have any other Cap vs Namor scans? I would think they'd have fought more often then their initial WWII fights. And as much of a Cap fan I am, this is all I have between the two. And to be honest, this I thought was kind of unbelievable where Cap shrugs aside Namor with his shield. Only way I could explain this away is if Cap instinctively kept namor from getting a firm grip on the edges of the shield and simply diverted Namor's forward momentum, causing him to flounder forward:

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by Grimm22
Even though Namor is 10x faster than Wolverine 😐
I think not

yeah well, you think a lot of things.. 😐

fact of the matter is namor's not 10 times faster in hand to hand combat and that's all there is to it... feat wise they are on very even ground, and more importantly FIGHT WISE, namor has NEVER proven such a superiority. (none that has yet been posted at least)

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by Accel
I would actually consider the fast sculpting feat more impressive than fast slicing. It would be much easier to cut around a skinny old man than create a genuine sculpture.

I don't see how it's more impressive.. giest's suit was skin tight... it's comparitive to peeling an apple without actually causing the fruit damage... hell giest didn't even think wolverine had touched him, to me that's equally impressive AT LEAST. 😬

Originally posted by Accel
Would Wonderman’s attack have been any different if Wolverine had seen it coming?

definitely... for one wolverine would have had his claws OUT...
for two wolverine could have dodged out of the way altogether.. and for three wonder man would have NEVER been able to generate the momentum that he ended up gaining after that initial blow...

Grimm22 King of the Castle

Originally posted by jinzin
yeah well, you think a lot of things.. 😐
fact of the matter is namor's not 10 times faster in hand to hand combat and that's all there is to it... feat wise they are on very even ground, and more importantly FIGHT WISE, namor has NEVER proven such a superiority. (none that has yet been posted at least)

Fine, he isnt that much faster than Wolverine in h2h 😐

He still has superior senses than Wolverine, which gives him a big advantage in h2h combat.

jinzin Senior Member

i have some cap vs. namor scans, and scans of cap vs. controller with namor's powers, and scans of cap vs. nII a namor clone that downed namor in 2 panals, (cap kicked his ass), i MAY also have some from avengers 117 but I'll have to look hard to find that comic.

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by Grimm22
Fine, he isnt that much faster than Wolverine in h2h 😐
He still has superior senses than Wolverine, which gives him a big advantage in h2h combat.

since when? I don't think namor can register things any fastewr than logan's senses... I mean namor even said he couldn't see speed demon's movements.. but logan could...

Accel Senior Member

Originally posted by jinzin
definitely... for one wolverine would have had his claws OUT...
for two wolverine could have dodged out of the way altogether.. and for three wonder man would have NEVER been able to generate the momentum that he ended up gaining after that initial blow...

What difference would claws make to someone made out of ions? And do you really think the momentum is really important with such a vast strength difference between the two?

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by Accel
What difference would claws make to someone made out of ions? And do you really think the momentum is really important with such a vast strength difference between the two?

yes I do... again wolverine just flailing about with his claws out is dangerous to be around.. hulk was beating on wolverine and wolverine's flailing arm ended up gougin hulks neck.... besides it would be hard to throw out a haymaker on wolvie like he did in that first hit, if wolverine was paying attention, attacking leaves you open to attack, that's just the way it goes...

and yes I do think that his claws would do harm.. wonder man has nearly been incapacitated by lazer fire, I'm fairly certain wolverine could send his claws through the guy... is wonderman more durable than hulk? thanos? silver surfer?

Accel Senior Member

Originally posted by jinzin
yes I do... again wolverine just flailing about with his claws out is dangerous to be around.. hulk was beating on wolverine and wolverine's flailing arm ended up gougin hulks neck.... besides it would be hard to throw out a haymaker on wolvie like he did in that first hit, if wolverine was paying attention, attacking leaves you open to attack, that's just the way it goes...

The thing is, a Class 100 character doesn’t really need to a full-power haymaker to knock Wolverine back and then proceed to beat on him mercilessly.

Originally posted by jinzin
and yes I do think that his claws would do harm.. wonder man has nearly been incapacitated by lazer fire, I'm fairly certain wolverine could send his claws through the guy... is wonderman more durable than hulk? thanos? silver surfer?

Was the laser incident back when he had problems with his abilities and no self-esteem (which basically hinders his strength)?

And Wolverine only stabbed the Surfer in a ‘What If?’ meaning non-canonical. Thanos could have been due to his having the IG and the fact that he always felt he didn’t deserve such power (same reason every one, including people like She-Hulk, managed to land effective blows on him).

As for Wonderman, I’m not sure if claw wounds would really affect someone whose body is composed of ions. Logically, any wounds should just reform instantly.

Tshern Protein-man

As for Wonderman, I’m not sure if claw wounds would really affect someone whose body is composed of ions. Logically, any wounds should just reform instantly.

Ions as in normal ions we have here in the real world, right?

Zahit ON A MISSION FROM GOD

a deer knocked wolverine back a ways...
yet wolverine barely moved when namor punched him.
shouldn't namor be able to knock him a few blocks away?
the wrecker did in new avengers not long ago.
namor is a lot stronger than wrecker.

if marvel refuses to apply any logic to wolverine,
then what's the point of even debating anything
regarding wolverine anymore?

Badabing Gym rat

Originally posted by Zahit
a deer knocked wolverine back a ways...
yet wolverine barely moved when namor punched him.
shouldn't namor be able to knock him a few blocks away?
the wrecker did in new avengers not long ago.
namor is a lot stronger than wrecker.
if marvel refuses to apply any logic to wolverine,
then what's the point of even debating anything
regarding wolverine anymore?

Um.....Well.....Hmm.....To watch the pro-Wolverine and anti-Wolverine (Capt and Grimm) people argue. 😗

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