Originally posted by h1a8
Your original post failed when you fail to see that boxers in real life hardly slow down when they are delivering nasty combos vs. when they are practicing the same combo in shadow boxing. The percent of slowdown is negligible.
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Actually having formal boxing training, I know its vital that you maintain your ability to move versus any opponent. Vital to your best defense is your ability to constantly move, not allowing anyone to get behind you, etc. You train to maintain your weight forward on the balls of your feet, so that you can shift and counter balance the pull of the very forces I'm trying to describe here. The strength you put into a punch has a multiplied effect on your body...and you are most vulnerable after a missed or blocked shot. Which is where good defensive counter punchers live and breathe.
Once the fight goes to the ground - Its defensively over (boxing-wise) and favors the larger, stronger grappler. So, If you are being handcuffed to someone twice your height and more than 6 times yours mass...and are handuffed to an arm thats practically longer and wider than your whole body that is capable of REGENERATING at insane speeds...your best best is a KO or Choke out. But thats highly unlikely vs WWH....as others such as Sentry tried and failed.
Sentry has one-shotted planets....when has Wonderwoman done that?
Point being, being force to be handcuffed with only a mere 2feet of slack to a larger, dynamically stronger opponent (Who is more durable to blunt damage than you are....and has insane regen) = ista-phail...and 100% Spite.
Originally posted by horrorwolf
Still wrong. Newtons law of physics defies that. Physics laws are attached to every part of your body. To maintain speed, you have to fight your own mass+gravity+additional outside forces. Similar to If you have ever tried while you are running at top speed - to stop and switch to moving in the opposide direction.As an example, what track runners, or baseball players do is generally drop their center of gravity by almost a 3rd...coming to a slide position, shift all weight behind one lead leg and wait until they fully slow to a stop...which takes at least 3x as long as it took to being running, before they can even begin to start building inertia to move the opposite direction.
If you can watch some physics videos it will better demonstrate this. The point being is not how much you can break these laws, its just that each time whats breaking these forces comes to a stop, its multiplied and in effect being held...before it can even proceed to move again.
Again my point is not how fast WW can move, its that the recovery time from missed or shots blocked will leave her powerless in more that sufficient time for WWH to clobber her. She will take a massive beating here.
I agreed there is slowdown. But the slowdown is negligible. This is verified by reality. Plus a hit from WW is dazing WWH. She adds another hit after another to form a combo. Hulk is koed. WW still cuts his head off in a nanosecond. You won't address that will you?
Originally posted by horrorwolfIt's not a question of whether he can surpass her. It's a question of will he surpass her. He won't since the fight will be over in a nanosecond.
1. WWH can supass that. + Plus his strength is dynamic and will continue to trump hers.
After this post I most likely won't debate with you anymore. You just proved to be a waste of time by saying WWH has infinite strength. Even severe Hulk fans like Kutulu won't say B.S. like that.
2. She is fast in combat but that won't stop her from recieving punishment being handcuffed to a monster than has regen + infinite strength...and proven superhuman combat reflexes and speed of his own.
Pressure always work when the striker has sufficient strength to apply them.
3. Pressure points have failed verses Savage. WWH is far beyond Savage Hulk in fighting experience as well.
A Statue can't even move let alone ko someone.
4. WWH could easily KO her from the start, or simply hold her at an arms length at any moment...making any attempt to do so impossible. Do you realize the Size and Strength WWH has over Diana?
Originally posted by horrorwolf
The rules change one Diana gets choked out or faceplanted instantly..or worse. Not to mention Hulk has lost over 90% of his flesh - regenerating it back in moments while advancing. That didnt stop him either.WWH stomps her, he is Stonger and more powerful with greater feats to back it up.
Regenerating flesh is not the same as regenerating an arm (with bone) or a head (with brain and bone).
Originally posted by Ouallada
What beings below Superman have [b]physically dented secondary adamantium? The need for scans or issues has already been mentioned, as any such instances are unknown to me. [/B]
Thor, Hulk, and Iron Man had destroyed secondary adamantium before.
See Secret Wars
See also the fights with Ultron's clones (composed of secondary adamantium)
I think Thor barely dented true adamantium in another comic. The scans are here somewhere I just don't know where. PM Soljer, Mungi, DarthGoober, or someone very knowledgeable of it.
Originally posted by horrorwolf
😆Actually having formal boxing training, I know its vital that you maintain your ability to move versus any opponent. Vital to your best defense is your ability to constantly move, not allowing anyone to get behind you, etc. You train to maintain your weight forward on the balls of your feet, so that you can shift and counter balance the pull of the very forces I'm trying to describe here. The strength you put into a punch has a multiplied effect on your body...and you are most vulnerable after a missed or blocked shot. Which is where good defensive counter punchers live and breathe.
Once the fight goes to the ground - Its defensively over (boxing-wise) and favors the larger, stronger grappler. So, If you are being handcuffed to someone twice your height and more than 6 times yours mass...and are handuffed to an arm thats practically longer and wider than your whole body that is capable of REGENERATING at insane speeds...your best best is a KO or Choke out. But thats highly unlikely vs WWH....as others such as Sentry tried and failed.
Sentry has one-shotted planets....when has Wonderwoman done that?
Point being, being force to be handcuffed with only a mere 2feet of slack to a larger, dynamically stronger opponent (Who is more durable to blunt damage than you are....and has insane regen) = ista-phail...and 100% Spite.
Show me Sentry one-shotting a planet.
Hulk is like a microgram to someone who can lift astronomical tons.
Mass and size isn't even the slightest factor here. Actually, a fight between strong beings favor the smaller and more skilled fighter.
And these two have at least several feet of slack to maneuver. Where are you getting they are handcuffed from?
And this is moot since WWH is a rose to Diana.
He's such a sweet vic.
Originally posted by h1a8
Thor, Hulk, and Iron Man had destroyed secondary adamantium before.
See Secret Wars
See also the fights with Ultron's clones (composed of secondary adamantium)
I think Thor barely dented true adamantium in another comic. The scans are here somewhere I just don't know where. PM Soljer, Mungi, DarthGoober, or someone very knowledgeable of it.
True adamantium has never been damaged by normal Thor. Iron man has never destroyed secondary adamantium either. The only situation I can think of for normal Thor is the one with the statue, and that involves hulk as well. The only time the SA Ultrons were physically dented was by hulk. Every other defeat has been through warping, transmutation or destruction of its insides.
Originally posted by h1a8I disagree. and I have supporting evidence as to why I disagree:
Even severe Hulk fans like Kutulu won't say B.S. like that.
Originally posted by Kutulu
WWH post Miek statement was the first time they really showed Hulk pulling deep to those infinite powers which he has the ability to draw upon.
Yes, the "severe Hulk fans" will say B.S. like that.
Originally posted by Ouallada
True adamantium has never been damaged by normal Thor. Iron man has never destroyed secondary adamantium either. The only situation I can think of for normal Thor is the one with the statue, and that involves hulk as well. The only time the SA Ultrons were physically dented was by hulk. Every other defeat has been through warping, transmutation or destruction of its insides.
Iron man has indeed destroyed several SA Ultron drones. So has Thor.
I said I think Thor very slightly dented true adamantium. This is because that instance wasn't retcon as secondary adamantium and the scan states that he barely put a dent on it. I forgot, I probably need to see the scan again.
Originally posted by h1a8
I agreed there is slowdown. But the slowdown is negligible. This is verified by reality. Plus a hit from WW is dazing WWH. She adds another hit after another to form a combo. Hulk is koed. WW still cuts his head off in a nanosecond. You won't address that will you?
Because there's nothing to address. Hulk has better feat strengths. Thats what you wont address. Wonderwoman gets KO'd easier than she can WWH.
And she won't be able to "behead" WWH...nor would she even try.
lol funny fanboy fantasy though.
Originally posted by h1a8
It's not a question of whether he can surpass her. It's a question of will he surpass her. He won't since the fight will be over in a nanosecond.
After this post I most likely won't debate with you anymore. You just proved to be a waste of time by saying WWH has infinite strength. Even severe Hulk fans like Kutulu won't say B.S. like that.
Pressure always work when the striker has sufficient strength to apply them.
A Statue can't even move let alone ko someone.
Better yet, WWH is a rose to Diana. A rose moves and grows, but to the human eye it seems very still. WWH is sweet here. Also Diana>>>>WWH in strength.
I agree it will be over shortly, but in WWH's favor every time. Hulk is stronger. and will get even more so if necessary.
WWH is far wont be a statue, nor will he need to be based on Wonderwmans fight history. She gets pummed to death by WWH
simply holding her at an arms length.
And pressure points DON'T WORK on Hulk...application strength has nothing to do with it.
and WWH>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Diana in physical strength.
Originally posted by h1a8
I agreed there is slowdown. But the slowdown is negligible. This is verified by reality. Plus a hit from WW is dazing WWH. She adds another hit after another to form a combo. Hulk is koed. WW still cuts his head off in a nanosecond. You won't address that will you?
Her slowdown is not negligable when he punches through her attacks with a single massive blow that is beyond hers. Hulk has better durability vs blunt damage than Wonderwoman does.
Like i said, its a spite thread for Diana. She has no chances with severe lack of mobility here. Argue all you want, she gets a vicious beating like she has versus proven slower opponents time and time again.
Re: Re: WWH vs Wonder Woman w/twist
Originally posted by Aztec123
Wonder woman grabs the chain, and chokes the hulk. 😄
LOL...that sounds about as silly as someone trying to choke an oak tree with a 2 foot rope.... 😱
Do you have any idea how wide Hulk's neck is??? Do you really think 2 feet of handcuff chain will circle his neck?? 😆 😆 😆 hilarious AND ridiculous.
Originally posted by Ouallada
Read my above post. Several ultrons have been destroyed by having their insides destroyed, not by having their SA exteriors dented. Unless I am very much mistaken, which I doubt, iron man's feat belongs to the former category.
So your saying that IM destroying their armor from the inside doesn't prove that he can do so from the outside?