Originally posted by Kutulu
If I give you a 40 lbs of hamburger, would it be harder to smash it or pull it?
Pulling it is FAR FAR Easier. The same goes for rock, stone, granite etc.
Any logical person knows pullling it is a better option than punching through it completely. Ask those Strong-man contestants who haul Semi Cabs on their backs...they will be the first to opt to pull it each and every time.
Originally posted by Kutulu
Hulk smashed a meteor twice the size of the Earth.Moon mass: 7.349×10^22 kg
Earth mass: 5.9736×10^24 kgIn other words the asteroid Hulk smashed was easily 100 times the size of the moon. Hulk held together the tectonic plates of Sakaar, a planet with a much bigger mass than the Earth, a feat requiring far greater strength than WW needed to help move the moon.
Put simply Hulk's strength >>>>>>>>> Wonder Woman, that's something even a retard can understand.
The Planetoid feat isn't valid to WWH who has shown less strength.
Holding a planet together could possibly only take less than 1E6 tons of force, depending on the force that's making it come apart.
Moving the Earth at an a very small acceleration (like 10mi per s^2) requires more than 1E25 tons (not kg) of force. But we all know they were are moving the Earth at a considerable acceleration. Thus WW was exerting possibly more than 1E27 tons of force. And I'm not even adding in pulling it from the gravity of the Sun either. 1E6 tons compared to 1E27 tons is like a speck of dust compared to the weight of a 1E18 tons (a small moon). D.C. characters are generally in another league than Marvel characters.
Originally posted by Kutulu
Hulk smashed a meteor twice the size of the Earth.Moon mass: 7.349×10^22 kg
Earth mass: 5.9736×10^24 kgIn other words the asteroid Hulk smashed was easily 100 times the size of the moon. Hulk held together the tectonic plates of Sakaar, a planet with a much bigger mass than the Earth, a feat requiring far greater strength than WW needed to help move the moon.
Put simply Hulk's strength >>>>>>>>> Wonder Woman, that's something even a retard can understand.
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Originally posted by KutuluWasn't Hulk shot from a railgun for that feat?
Hulk smashed a meteor twice the size of the Earth.Moon mass: 7.349×10^22 kg
Earth mass: 5.9736×10^24 kgIn other words the asteroid Hulk smashed was easily 100 times the size of the moon. Hulk held together the tectonic plates of Sakaar, a planet with a much bigger mass than the Earth, a feat requiring far greater strength than WW needed to help move the moon.
Put simply Hulk's strength >>>>>>>>> Wonder Woman, that's something even a retard can understand.
If I shoot you with a bullet and you die, but I couldn't kill you with one hit, can the bullet lift heavier weights then me?
Originally posted by Eel O'Brian
Wasn't Hulk shot from a railgun for that feat?If I shoot you with a bullet and you die, but I couldn't kill you with one hit, can the bullet lift heavier weights then me?
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Originally posted by darthgoober
Not a railgun exactly...http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/9828/mcp5228bp8.jpg
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If this was Superman the Hulk supportes would say; "this has nothing to do with str, he was flying" 🙄
To fly and destroy seems easier then to pull something that big ^^. Not that impressive.
Originally posted by h1a8
My friend official bios come first unless they contradict comics. Did you know that comics have errors too? The comics are based on bios too. Did you know that?Also you seem very skilled at misunderstanding people. When I mentioned bios I was referring to the general power and not the specific. WW has super speed. I didn't say how much nor did I imply that the bios say how much either. I in no way implied that the exact power levels in bios must be applied to the forum fight. Namor can lift over 100 tons (even though is bios say differently) yet he still has super strength. So him having super strength or not is the argument and not how much. I'm arguing that WW has super speed period, nothing more.
Again my point is that characters won't perform lower than what their bios give if they are fighting to their best. Nearly every character has performed higher on occasion though. WW has super speed as it states in her bios. So her fighting without super speed is going against
the bios and thus to her best ability. This is my point. This is what I'm arguing, nothing more. Do you understand now?And how do you show a character using speed when fighting another character with speed? You either can't or its very difficult. Everyone and their momma knows WW has the power to fight at super speed if she wants to. Ducking superman's punches, dodging shazam's speedblitz, lassoing zoom, and blocking bullets and lasers are just examples of her being able to fight at super speed. No one will argue that Silver Surfer is not fast in battle when he has been hit many times in a physical confrontation by much slower beings. So I'm keeping the common sense stance that WW can indeed fight at super speed without providing any proof. If you disagree then God bless you. For you are a lost son indeed.
All of this is moot anyway. The bottom line is that
Hulk is a statue to someone who can see lasers in slow motion.
Hulk can get decapitated by her tiara in a nanosecond.
What sort of rirdiculous points are you trying to make. It seems that after you fail at one point you move over to the next. First of all i will mention for the umpteenth time that comics are the SUPREME evidence in a COMIC debate. Understand? Further it is obvious you failed to comprehend most of what i explained. But in my kindness i will gladly explain again.
Firstly you once again destroy ur own arguments when you say official bios come first UNLESS they contradict comics. The whole point of my argument was centered on wonderwomans ENTIRE COMIC HISTORY being devoid of speed feats against other beings in direct physical combat!!! You see that? IT CONTRADICTS COMICS!! Also you further show ur inability to understand such a simple concept when u bring up the fact that comics have also have errors as a reason to rely on bios. I agree comics have errors but what im talking about is not 1 or 2 or three of evn a hundred comics im talking about HER ENTIRE COMIC BOOK HISTORY!!!. Do you understand that? Are you going to label her entire comic book history a MISTAKE and then focus on only what is stated in her bio? Are you really going to do that? 😕 🤣
Which do you think is a superior authority? This is getting foolish
Further in the next paragraph You say that ive misunderstood you and that you were simply arguing that she has superspeed and nothing more. Well you have the strange knack for saying complete BS. I was NEVER disputing the fact that wondy has superspeed. As you said in ur post a bio does not give the exact level of a power that a person has and evn if it does it is not always accurate something which i agree with. Earlier however you said that her bio contradicts the" stupid shit " which i have many times told you is her ENTIRE ON PANEL HISTORY. Now you mentioned above that a bio can be used unless it contradicts comics. See the confusion? Earlier you mentioned that bios contradict the stupid shit that are comics and now you tell me they can be used if they dont contradict comics. Before that you evn stated that you did not care how many times wonderwoman had failed to show battle speed( evn if its her entire history. What the hell? Now before you talk about how comics have errors let me mention once again im talking about her ENTIRE history and not just a few comics. It is clear that im not the one misunderstanding you but that you are making so many contradictory statements you hardly understand urself!
In your next pargraph you further show you did not read anything i posted. Comics are the supreme evidence in comic debates and i really dont think i need to repeat this. A charcters bio DOES NOT define their power set but that characters ON PANEL history DOES. This should be common knowledge by now to absolutley anyone. I evn quoted the PIS rule to show u the importance of a characters history in detrmining that characters abilities but u as usual failed to read/comprehend it. To fight to the best of their abilities, a charcter must utilize fully ALL the powers he or she has shown to be capable of in the comics period. In comics characters dont always use powers that they have demonstrated before in fact most of the times they dont because of the plot. Howver the case of an ability that has not been demonstrated in comics is totally different. Fighting to the best of their abilities involves fighting utilizing all the abilities that have been displayed in the place where abilities are showcased. In other words COMICS. Now unless you are willing to admit that you would take the word of a bio over her entire ON PANEL history then your point is useless. ON PANEL HISTORY FAR >>>>>>>>> than BIO. ON PANEL HISTORY DEFINES A CHARACTERS ABILITIES!!
Your question of how to show two charcters fighting at superspeed is just ridiculous. Comic writers and artist have numerous ways of doing this such as multiple body parts, blurred lines and body parts, time indications in the narration, Speed indications in the narration, Statemnts by the charcters themsleves etc. Ho in the world do u think they write flash comics? Yur next point shows once again your inability to grasp the fact that ON PANEL NON PIS EVIDENCE IS SUPREME!!. Saying that wonderwoman should be able to do something and giving rationalizations no matter how logical they may be without providing any proof that contradicts the ON PANEL EVIDENCE that leads us to believe she cant do it is ridiculous. Whatever ratiionalizations you may have CANNOT negate the fact that wonderwomans comic history points to her not having combat speed in direct physical combat. Ur examples are also dont help ur case. Ducking punches from superman who is a being that hardly ever uses his speed in battle is a ridiculous example. The difference however between superman and wonderwoman is that supes DOES infact have some VERIFIED instances of using superspeed in battle. Also we know the reason he does not use superspeed in battle is because he holds back all the time. Note that supes howver HAS shown his speed in battle( direct physical combat) and therefore his holding back excuse becomes valid. As for the dodging of shazam blitzes, because its coming fromu id have to see scans to verify the fact that it was a speedblitz cuz captain marvel does not use his speed that much either. Lassoing zoom also hardly qualifies as direct physical combat. We saw what happened to her when she got into such combat against zoom. As for the lasers and bullets part, addressing it is just a waste of my time as it seems you beleive it qualifies as direct physical combat. 🙄 Your example of silver surfer is also heavily flawed as just like superman, SS HAS shown his speed in direct combat against opponets b4. Just like superman SS holds back immensely during fights with almost evryone and he has evn been seen saying how he could attack an opponent at superspeed but chose not to. Therefore he is not the same as Wonderwoman. Fighting at superspeed is an ability that has been shown by SS ON PANEL while this is not true of wonderwoman.
In summary
1. ON PANEL evidence is the supreme proof in comic debates.
2. To prove that wonderwoman can fight at superspeed, ON PANEL proof needs to be provided.
3. Statements from bios cannot suffice because a charcters comic book history accurately defines their abilities not bio descriptions.
4. To fight to the best of their abilities a charcter must utilize all the powers they have shown to be capable of in comics period. NOTHING ELSE.
THIS SHOULD BE SIMPLE ENOUGH FOR EVN U TO UNDERSTAND( I HOPE)!!!!!!!!!!!
Originally posted by ultimatethorOh come now hulk fan, this feat has just been debunked. Its not a strength feat. Its more aof a durability feat, he was launched into the asteroid of an unknown substance and unknown density. We don't know how hallow it was.
Hulk destroying an asteroid two times the size of earth is considerably better than any wonderwoman strength feat. Especially because it is FAR more difficult to use strength alone to shatter a fairly large and durable obect than it is to pull it.
To keep claiming this was a strength feat when it was just posted just now is sheer desperation.
Much like the "hulk thunderclaps a dimension" was revealed some time ago that other factors were involved, including the energies from the guy whom created the pocket dimenion in the first place.
Originally posted by ultimatethorIf that was a strength feat, sure, but...
Hulk destroying an asteroid two times the size of earth is considerably better than any wonderwoman strength feat. Especially because it is FAR more difficult to use strength alone to shatter a fairly large and durable obect than it is to pull it.
It wasn't. He jumped into the air and "superman"'ed something.
Originally posted by Eel O'Brian
If that was a strength feat, sure, but...It wasn't. He jumped into the air and "superman"'ed something.
Can u explain to me how that is NOT a strength feat. He jumped into air and destroyed an object two times the size of earth with a double fisted hit. How is that not a strength feat?
Originally posted by ultimatethorBecause it was the force of him being launched that destroyed the object in question. Thus its a feat of durability.
Can u explain to me how that is NOT a strength feat. He jumped into air and destroyed an object two times the size of earth with a double fisted hit. How is that not a strength feat?
A bullet by itself is harmless. you fall on it no big deal. A bullet that has the force of being launched from a gun behind it can now puncture metal.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Oh come now hulk fan, this feat has just been debunked. Its not a strength feat. Its more aof a durability feat, he was launched into the asteroid of an unknown substance and unknown density. We don't know how hallow it was.To keep claiming this was a strength feat when it was just posted just now is sheer desperation.
Much like the "hulk thunderclaps a dimension" was revealed some time ago that other factors were involved, including the energies from the guy whom created the pocket dimenion in the first place.
Calling into question the density of the asteroid is really reaching. The hulk was NOT simply launched into the asteroid. Evn before being sent into space, the scientist who sent the hulk wanted to strap him with an anti magnetic device to destroy the asteroid. The hulk howver left without that device, and the scientist wondered how he was going to destroy the asteroid. It was certainly not their intention to destroy the asteroid simply by launching the hulk into it. Thats is simply baseless.
What kind of speed are we talking about?
Handspeed, able to block lasers from tons of angles? Check.
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Afterimages, able to clock Flash, and take on the JLA, while blind? Check.
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Running with Flash to create a vortex? Check.
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"I move with the speed of Hermes". Check.
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Searching the globe with Flash and Superman? Check
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