WWH vs Wonder Woman w/twist

Originally posted by psycho gundam
wonder woman must be male cross-dresser cause she is getting wanked like crazy. flash like speed now... c'mon H1, stop pissing in our ears and telling us it is raining....

and lulz at all the arguments against hulk that can't do squat against
konvikt, a brick.

We know nothing of Konvikt. He can be as fast as Doomsday for all we know (Flashlike burst speed). WW doesn't need to be as fast as Flash in order for WWH to be a statue to her. All she needs is minimal FTL reflexes, in which she has.

Originally posted by h1a8
When I debate I imagine me with the super powers. I don't debate who will win in a comic. That is why this is a forum debate. I don't care if Diana got hit and grabbed 9999/10000 times by super slow motion beings, it contradicts her blocking multiple lasers. So if anyone had the power to block multiple beams of light then it is impossible for them to get hit or grabbed by any slow being. I don't care what you say. Consider the debate over if you like but this is my stance (the stance of common sense). And it is impossible for anyone to slip up to a statue.

Originally posted by h1a8
We know nothing of Konvikt. He can be as fast as Doomsday for all we know (Flashlike burst speed). WW doesn't need to be as fast as Flash in order for WWH to be a statue to her. All she needs is minimal FTL reflexes, in which she has.

Show me this faster then light reflexes.

Originally posted by jltruth
Show me this faster then light reflexes.

Wonder Woman blocks laser fire coming at her on all directions simultaneously.

That's pretty fast.

Originally posted by h1a8
Comics contradict themselves. That is why many use the best non PIS feats for characters (not the worst contradicting ones). WW had ducked a mega fast Superman punch. And we all know how fast Superman can punch.

How could WWH replicate any feat that writers disagree with? No writer in their right mind will ever have Hulk destroying a planetoid ever again.
I don't care how mad he gets. And Hulk wasn't that mad when he did that PIS B.S.

Let me explain this better. The SUPREME AUTHORITY, in comic debates is regular non PIS on panel portrayal of a charcter . Logic that states Wonderwoman must be able to engage in direct physical combat at superspeed because she can block lasers and objects coming at her at this speed fails because it CONTRADICTS the on panel evidence. It may not make sense by our logic but comic logic is not the same as real world logic and hence the two should NOT be interchanged. Logic that negates on panel evidence is faulty when it comes to comic debates. Now calling her lack of feats PIS also fails because PIS is concerned with a contradiction of a charcters regualr showings and displays. Wonderwoman has howver almost NEVER shown combat speed in DIRECT PHYSICAL COMBAT and hence has ABSOLUTELY NO BASIS for a PIS claim. Your example of her ducking a superman punch is grossly inadequate unless you can actually prove that superman was fighting at superspeed. It is common knowledge that just because a character can do something does not mean that they do it all the time. This is further supplemented by the fact that superman does NOT fight at superspeeds regularly. Now evn if we were to use this faulty example as evidence, wondy still has numerous contradictory examples which will make that incident PIS at best because it does NOT fall in line wit her regular portrayal. In comic debates we are to balance out feats,both high and low and not just take singular high end feats and use them while disregarding the rest of the charcters history.

And the hulk destroting a planetoid is not PIS. He has a numerous amount of similar feats which make it valid. FYI the hulk has performed other feats of high magnititude when not very angry before. He overcame the antimatter spheres when he was NOT very ANRGY. He punched througha time storm when he WAS NOT VERY angry as well. Heck he evn overcame forces that could change the orbit of a planet brought on him by the stranger when he WAS NOT very ANGRY. Proof enough that he CAN perform high end feats without being uber pissed off.

The fact remains that though we use the best logic possible to determine the winner of fights, we also have to take into consideration the characters non PIS showings and we cannot use our logic to discard what happens on panel. Hence wonderwoman may have showings in which she blocks objects at superspeed but we cannot assume the same when it comes to direct physical combat with other beings because of her LACK of showings in that area.

Originally posted by Eel O'Brian
Wonder Woman blocks laser fire coming at her on all directions simultaneously.

That's pretty fast.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Let me explain this better. The SUPREME AUTHORITY, in comic debates is regular non PIS on panel portrayal of a charcter . Logic that states Wonderwoman must be able to engage in direct physical combat at superspeed because she can block lasers and objects coming at her at this speed fails because it CONTRADICTS the on panel evidence. It may not make sense by our logic but comic logic is not the same as real world logic and hence the two should NOT be interchanged. Logic that negates on panel evidence is faulty when it comes to comic debates. Now calling her lack of feats PIS also fails because PIS is concerned with a contradiction of a charcters regualr showings and displays. Wonderwoman has howver almost NEVER shown combat speed in DIRECT PHYSICAL COMBAT and hence has ABSOLUTELY NO BASIS for a PIS claim. Your example of her ducking a superman punch is grossly inadequate unless you can actually prove that superman was fighting at superspeed. It is common knowledge that just because a character can do something does not mean that they do it all the time. This is further supplemented by the fact that superman does NOT fight at superspeeds regularly. Now evn if we were to use this faulty example as evidence, wondy still has numerous contradictory examples which will make that incident PIS at best because it does NOT fall in line wit her regular portrayal. In comic debates we are to balance out feats,both high and low and not just take singular high end feats and use them while disregarding the rest of the charcters history.

And the hulk destroting a planetoid is not PIS. He has a numerous amount of similar feats which make it valid. FYI the hulk has performed other feats of high magnititude when not very angry before. He overcame the antimatter spheres when he was NOT very ANRGY. He punched througha time storm when he WAS NOT VERY angry as well. Heck he evn overcame forces that could change the orbit of a planet brought on him by the stranger when he WAS NOT very ANGRY. Proof enough that he CAN perform high end feats without being uber pissed off.

The fact remains that though we use the best logic possible to determine the winner of fights, we also have to take into consideration the characters non PIS showings and we cannot use our logic to discard what happens on panel. Hence wonderwoman may have showings in which she blocks objects at superspeed but we cannot assume the same when it comes to direct physical combat with other beings because of her LACK of showings in that area.

such PWNAGE. 🤣

Excellent post.

Originally posted by horrorwolf
such PWNAGE. 🤣

Excellent post.

Nice of you to notice. 😮‍💨

Then you have the periods inbetween say....a punch. You initiate a punch with your full speed and energy towards a single point, but there has to be an equal amount of a counter reaction for every action.

As much speed as you put in a moving forward punch, it takes at more than 2times as much energy (as well as time required) to slow it down and recover for your next strike.

During this time you are moving much slower, as you are held by the very forces you initiated. Here is where most characters get nailed in comics, because the writers try to keep some sense of physics present. But debate threads such as these use rules that either don't account for or leave these laws out alltogether.

For every action, an equal and opposite reaction.
If it were possible for Wonderwoman to throw a punch at the speed of light, at least double the force equivalent to breaking the speed of light comes down against her, holding her in place once her action ends. During this period she will be as vulnerable to a counterattack as anyone, and powerless to move - but more so....because of the amount of speed and force she initiated herself being multiplied against her.

Newtons law.
That is of course, unless we are ignoring Newtons law - which means we can then also ignore any damage generated from such a punch on her target as well.

I'll have to go with WWH on this. WW's fighting skills and speed won't be enough.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
lasers don't travel at lightspeed in comics, cartoons, and movies....plus they are invisible and make no sounds in real life. 😉

Originally posted by quanchi112
This isnt powerset vs. powerset its character vs. character. Huge difference.

Well at least you agree that WW wins in powerset vs. powerset.
That's all I care about. Thank you!

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Let me explain this better. The SUPREME AUTHORITY, in comic debates is regular non PIS on panel portrayal of a charcter . Logic that states Wonderwoman must be able to engage in direct physical combat at superspeed because she can block lasers and objects coming at her at this speed fails because it CONTRADICTS the on panel evidence.

It may not make sense by our logic but comic logic is not the same as real world logic and hence the two should NOT be interchanged. Logic that negates on panel evidence is faulty when it comes to comic debates. Now calling her lack of feats PIS also fails because PIS is concerned with a contradiction of a charcters regualr showings and displays.

Wonderwoman has howver almost NEVER shown combat speed in DIRECT PHYSICAL COMBAT and hence has ABSOLUTELY NO BASIS for a PIS claim. Your example of her ducking a superman punch is grossly inadequate unless you can actually prove that superman was fighting at superspeed. It is common knowledge that just because a character can do something does not mean that they do it all the time. This is further supplemented by the fact that superman does NOT fight at superspeeds regularly. Now evn if we were to use this faulty example as evidence, wondy still has numerous contradictory examples which will make that incident PIS at best because it does NOT fall in line wit her regular portrayal. In comic debates we are to balance out feats,both high and low and not just take singular high end feats and use them while disregarding the rest of the charcters history.

And the hulk destroting a planetoid is not PIS. He has a numerous amount of similar feats which make it valid. FYI the hulk has performed other feats of high magnititude when not very angry before. He overcame the antimatter spheres when he was NOT very ANRGY. He punched througha time storm when he WAS NOT VERY angry as well. Heck he evn overcame forces that could change the orbit of a planet brought on him by the stranger when he WAS NOT very ANGRY. Proof enough that he CAN perform high end feats without being uber pissed off.

The fact remains that though we use the best logic possible to determine the winner of fights, we also have to take into consideration the characters non PIS showings and we cannot use our logic to discard what happens on panel. Hence wonderwoman may have showings in which she blocks objects at superspeed but we cannot assume the same when it comes to direct physical combat with other beings because of her LACK of showings in that area.

Originally posted by horrorwolf
such PWNAGE. 🤣

Excellent post.

Don't use the term PWNAGE unless it is indisputable. Otherwise, you just abuse the term and make it less popular (or enjoyable).

Originally posted by horrorwolf
Then you have the periods inbetween say....a punch. You initiate a punch with your full speed and energy towards a single point, but there has to be an equal amount of a counter reaction for every action.

As much speed as you put in a moving forward punch, it takes at more than 2times as much energy (as well as time required) to slow it down and recover for your next strike.

During this time you are moving much slower, as you are held by the very forces you initiated. Here is where most characters get nailed in comics, because the writers try to keep some sense of physics present. But debate threads such as these use rules that either don't account for or leave these laws out alltogether.

For every action, an equal and opposite reaction.
If it were possible for Wonderwoman to throw a punch at the speed of light, at least double the force equivalent to breaking the speed of light comes down against her, holding her in place once her action ends. During this period she will be as vulnerable to a counterattack as anyone, and powerless to move - but more so....because of the amount of speed and force she initiated herself being multiplied against her.

Newtons law.
That is of course, unless we are ignoring Newtons law - which means we can then also ignore any damage generated from such a punch on her target as well.

Good try. But your science is very faulty indeed. Speed and energy are two different units. So saying that it takes more than 2x more energy than the speed you put in order to stop you down is nonsense.
I can punch the air repeatedly with the same force and speed as I can punch a heavy bag.

True, every action has an opposite and equal reaction. Remember, the counter forces and the conserved momenta are the same. Things always have give. That's why I can punch a speed bag and not slow down considerably vs. punching the Earth. Here mass places a role. Hulk is only 1000lbs. and thus doesn't have sufficient mass to slow her down anywhere significantly. He's lighter to her than a speed bag is to us.

Also what you are saying goes against the combo to ko principle. Shame on you! If WW hits him then he will be temporarily dazed long enough for her to hit him again. She can continue to do this until he's koed. This happens in both real life and in comics so it is very valid in everything my friend.

Also WW can decapitate him with the lasso ftw.

Originally posted by h1a8
You forgot to mention that her bios give her super speed and reflexes and the OMAC files gives her A1 speed (right behind flash). So all of those CONTRADICT stupid sh!t. SvFL has absolutely nothing to do with frequency but something that goes against someone's originally established power levels. Also forum rules is for characters to fight at their best (this implies that they must fight at what their bios say).
PIS has nothing to do with frequency of showings. It has something to do with, first, definition of a character and then frequency (if definition isn't established or to verify the definition). Also logic applies to everything, even the fictional. Now science isn't logical (big difference), thus it wouldn't be against logic to have faulty science in comics. It's even possible to reason that the laws of physics operate differently in another universe. So again, Logic and science are two very much different things. Without logic comic debating (any debating) will be nonsense and a waste of time.
Blocking bullets and lasers is showing good combat speed. It is common sense that if Superman was bloodlusted then he was trying to knock Diana's head off. That means he was punching as hard as he can which means he's punching at superspeed. Now you are arguing just to win and not to discover the truth.
Hulk has no feat anywhere in the vicinity to the planetoid feat. I've seen or heard them all and I argued a billion times against them. So try me. If you think PIS is based on frequency then Hulk performing such feats is like 5/1000 comics. Thus there is a .005 of a chance he will be this strong at anytime. Thus he still loses the majority.
Logic says we must throw out contradictory feats that's against a characters known powerset. That is why the rules say that characters are to fight at their best (not their average). Because we all know that characters many times don't do so in comics.

It seems you dont know that the SUPREME EVIDENCE we use in comics is what has happened on PANEL and NOT what is stated in bios and what not. IT is ridiculous to evn suggest that bios and desriptions of charcters are to take precednece over what happened on panel. THE BIOS ARE BASED ON THE COMICS FOR HEAVEN SAKE!! Hence bios are NOT always accurate and the COMICS take top priority. Without the comics there would be NO bios!!! 😱 Your interpretation of forum rules is absolutley laughable. We judge a characters power level from what they HAVE DONE ON PANEL!!!. Not from what is stated in their bios. This should be obvious to anybody. Why do u think people evn bother to provide scans if what has happened on panel should be disregarded for what it says in the bio? In the hulks bio it is said that he can withstand only temperatures of 3000 degrees fahrenheit but in the comics he withstood FAAAAAR more than that. Which one do you think should be taken as superior evidence. You argument is bordering on the ridiculous. You dont understand that a definiton of a charcters abilities is taken from the COMICS!! It comes from the feats and things they have performed in the comics not simply from what it says in the bio.
Forum rules state that a character should fight to the best of their abilities. Where did you get the idea that it means they should fight according to what is in their bios? Most characters have numerous feats that far exceed the limits of their abilities that are stated in their bios. Now you were indeed correct when you said that PIS has to do with definiton of charcter but totally incorrect when you said it does not have to do with showings. As i said the definiton of a charcter comes from the characters showings and appearances in comics. Therefore PIS is what goes against the definiton of a character which in itself is based on a charcters regular portrayal.

Now as for the thing about logic. You have once again misunderstood the point. I never said that logic does not apply to the fictional because it indeed does. The problem however occurs when we try to rationalize what happens in the comic world using real world laws and therefore negate what happens ON PANEL.. Just because wondy can block bullets does not mean she can also initiate attacks at superspeed. Yes going by our laws she should be able to do this but her inability to do this on panel is superior to our rationalizations. Captain America should be unable to take a punch from hulk whether he rolls with it or not. Does this mean him taking it is PIS? No it does not because it has consitently done such things in his on panel history. Wolverine who has peak human strength should not be able to cut the hulk or evn collosus for that matter. Howvwer him doing such does not make it PIS because it has bin established in his on panel history. Now ur assumption that supes was punching her at superspeed is ABSLOUTELY RIDCULOUS. As i said just because supes can do something does not he WAS doing it at the time. Once again you attempt to use rationalizations as evidence instead of what happens on panel. Silver surfer has shown that he can blast and attack at superspeeds yet when he was going all out against thanos, he did no such thing. Gladiator and hyperion who can both fight at superspeeds were going all out against each other without any indication of fighting at superspeed. Hence assuming that supes and wondy were doing so is wrong especially considering that wondy has NO previous history of doing such. Indeed i am arguing to win but i also am arguing to prove somehing. You have proved nothing as all ur arguments have ignored the fact that these are comics and hence we should use the priciples of the comic world. To worsen it u then made a futile attempt to suppress the importance of ON PANEL EVIDENCE and replace it with what is stated in bios. Your evn put a big hole in ur own argument. You readily accepted the fact that the laws in the comic universe are vastly different from that in normal universe. And yet you still went down the path of using this universes laws to rationalize when u tried to prove wondys battle speed by using the example of her blocking bullets. Total contradiction! The fact that the laws of the comic universe are different from that of the real universe is the main reason that what happens ON PANEL is the SUPREME EVIDENCE in comic debates. As we cannot fully understand the laws of the comic universe, we cannot use our own laws to rationalize events and then simply discard what happens on panel.

The hulk does have feats in the vicinity of the asteroid feat and i have evn mentioned them. Pushing apart the anitmatter spheres, Ripping the fabric of a dimension by punching through time, Holding a planet together, Overcoming forces that can change the orbit of s planet. etc These are feats that are indeed comparable to that feat. If u feel like arguing go ahead but i hope it will be better than the rest of ur arguments. As i have said PIS is based on contradiction of how a charcter is regularly portrayed. Also your reasoning for the hulks strength is purely laughable. There is a major difference between the hulk scenario and wonderwoman scenario. Wonderwoman for one has consistently failed to fight at superspeed and there is far more evidence that proves the contrary which is that she cant fight at such speeds. Howver the hulk has NEVER failed to accomplish such high end feats when he gest the opportunity to. Each time the plot provides the hulk with such a feat to perform he does it succesfully. Howvwer each time wonderwoman is faced with an opportunity to show her battle speed she fails miserably. Note it is NOT about the amount of such feats performed but your level of success in performing such feats given the circumstances or context. Hulk is regularly shown s being more than capable of such feats while wondy is the exact opposite when it comes to battle speed.

The last part of ur reply once again brings us back to the fact that ON PANEL SHOWINGS are what determine a charcters powerset. Not ratings or bios but ON PANEL SHOWINGS. Wonderwoman has literally no feat that shows her combat speed against another being but you would choose to throw out her ENTIRE HISTORY and instead believe in ur rationalization. This is nothing more than plain foolishness! 😆 😂 🤣 😱 🙁 and evn the lowest level debater should know this. The rule states that characters are to fight utilizing their powers to the fullest of their abilities. It dos NOT mean we are to take a singular high feat and disregard the rest of his feats. The range of a charcters abilities are dtermined by their NON PIS on panel history and not by singular high feats. Therefore a balance needs to be made among the feats. Once this range has been established, the charcter is then to fight to the best of his ability meaning that a charcter is to fight using his abilities( whose range is backed by on panel evidence) hence strategies like speedblitzing are used.

At times, for the sake of the plot, characters that are immensely more powerful than their opponent will "job" to carry on the plot of the story, even though the characters powers and history would clearly show that they are more than capable of destroying their opponent. For this reason we have a No PIS Rule. This rule prohibits the use of such instances of PIS from being used as evidence in debates.

Above is the PIS rule, note the word history is included showing that a Characters history is indeed important when determining PIS and debating fights. It a shows that a characters HISTORY( not singular feat) is essential in determining a charcters capabilities and hence what is and what is NOT PIS. A charcters on panel history is what establishes powerlevels and not bios no matter where they are gotten from.

Originally posted by h1a8
You forgot to mention that her bios give her super speed and reflexes and the OMAC files gives her A1 speed (right behind flash). So all of those CONTRADICT stupid sh!t. SvFL has absolutely nothing to do with frequency but something that goes against someone's originally established power levels. Also forum rules is for characters to fight at their best (this implies that they must fight at what their bios say).

"What is the Spiderman vs. Firelord exemption?
Spiderman vs. Firelord, or SvFL, is a shorthand that refers to any time when a character performs a feat that their powers and skills should be blatantly insufficient for, and is not repeated or is rarely repeated again relative to the character's overall established career , as well as the character's opponents' established showings. In statistical terms, it is an outlier, something that is radically beyond the character's established capabilities. For example, Spiderman defeating a herald of Galactus is a case of the SvFL exemption; however, Batman being able to sneak up on Superman is not because he has done so frequently under different writers."

SvFL is DIRECTLY related to frequency of occurance.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
It seems you dont know that the SUPREME EVIDENCE we use in comics is what has happened on PANEL and NOT what is stated in bios and what not. IT is ridiculous to evn suggest that bios and desriptions of charcters are to take precednece over what happened on panel. THE BIOS ARE BASED ON THE COMICS FOR HEAVEN SAKE!! Hence bios are NOT always accurate and the COMICS take top priority. Without the comics there would be NO bios!!! 😱 Your interpretation of forum rules is absolutley laughable. We judge a characters power level from what they HAVE DONE ON PANEL!!!. Not from what is stated in their bios. This should be obvious to anybody. Why do u think people evn bother to provide scans if what has happened on panel should be disregarded for what it says in the bio? In the hulks bio it is said that he can withstand only temperatures of 3000 degrees fahrenheit but in the comics he withstood FAAAAAR more than that. Which one do you think should be taken as superior evidence. You argument is bordering on the ridiculous. You dont understand that a definiton of a charcters abilities is taken from the COMICS!! It comes from the feats and things they have performed in the comics not simply from what it says in the bio.
Forum rules state that a character should fight to the best of their abilities. Where did you get the idea that it means they should fight according to what is in their bios? Most characters have numerous feats that far exceed the limits of their abilities that are stated in their bios. Now you were indeed correct when you said that PIS has to do with definiton of charcter but totally incorrect when you said it does not have to do with showings. As i said the definiton of a charcter comes from the characters showings and appearances in comics. Therefore PIS is what goes against the definiton of a character which in itself is based on a charcters regular portrayal.

Now as for the thing about logic. You have once again misunderstood the point. I never said that logic does not apply to the fictional because it indeed does. The problem however occurs when we try to rationalize what happens in the comic world using real world laws and therefore negate what happens ON PANEL.. Just because wondy can block bullets does not mean she can also initiate attacks at superspeed. Yes going by our laws she should be able to do this but her inability to do this on panel is superior to our rationalizations. Captain America should be unable to take a punch from hulk whether he rolls with it or not. Does this mean him taking it is PIS? No it does not because it has consitently done such things in his on panel history. Wolverine who has peak human strength should not be able to cut the hulk or evn collosus for that matter. Howvwer him doing such does not make it PIS because it has bin established in his on panel history. Now ur assumption that supes was punching her at superspeed is ABSLOUTELY RIDCULOUS. As i said just because supes can do something does not he WAS doing it at the time. Once again you attempt to use rationalizations as evidence instead of what happens on panel. Silver surfer has shown that he can blast and attack at superspeeds yet when he was going all out against thanos, he did no such thing. Gladiator and hyperion who can both fight at superspeeds were going all out against each other without any indication of fighting at superspeed. Hence assuming that supes and wondy were doing so is wrong especially considering that wondy has NO previous history of doing such. Indeed i am arguing to win but i also am arguing to prove somehing. You have proved nothing as all ur arguments have ignored the fact that these are comics and hence we should use the priciples of the comic world. To worsen it u then made a futile attempt to suppress the importance of ON PANEL EVIDENCE and replace it with what is stated in bios. Your evn put a big hole in ur own argument. You readily accepted the fact that the laws in the comic universe are vastly different from that in normal universe. And yet you still went down the path of using this universes laws to rationalize when u tried to prove wondys battle speed by using the example of her blocking bullets. Total contradiction! The fact that the laws of the comic universe are different from that of the real universe is the main reason that what happens ON PANEL is the SUPREME EVIDENCE in comic debates. As we cannot fully understand the laws of the comic universe, we cannot use our own laws to rationalize events and then simply discard what happens on panel.

The hulk does have feats in the vicinity of the asteroid feat and i have evn mentioned them. Pushing apart the anitmatter spheres, Ripping the fabric of a dimension by punching through time, Holding a planet together, Overcoming forces that can change the orbit of s planet. etc These are feats that are indeed comparable to that feat. If u feel like arguing go ahead but i hope it will be better than the rest of ur arguments. As i have said PIS is based on contradiction of how a charcter is regularly portrayed. Also your reasoning for the hulks strength is purely laughable. There is a major difference between the hulk scenario and wonderwoman scenario. Wonderwoman for one has consistently failed to fight at superspeed and there is far more evidence that proves the contrary which is that she cant fight at such speeds. Howver the hulk has NEVER failed to accomplish such high end feats when he gest the opportunity to. Each time the plot provides the hulk with such a feat to perform he does it succesfully. Howvwer each time wonderwoman is faced with an opportunity to show her battle speed she fails miserably. Note it is NOT about the amount of such feats performed but your level of success in performing such feats given the circumstances or context. Hulk is regularly shown s being more than capable of such feats while wondy is the exact opposite when it comes to battle speed.

The last part of ur reply once again brings us back to the fact that ON PANEL SHOWINGS are what determine a charcters powerset. Not ratings or bios but ON PANEL SHOWINGS. Wonderwoman has literally no feat that shows her combat speed against another being but you would choose to throw out her ENTIRE HISTORY and instead believe in ur rationalization. This is nothing more than plain foolishness! 😆 😂 🤣 😱 🙁 and evn the lowest level debater should know this. The rule states that characters are to fight utilizing their powers to the fullest of their abilities. It dos NOT mean we are to take a singular high feat and disregard the rest of his feats. The range of a charcters abilities are dtermined by their NON PIS on panel history and not by singular high feats. Therefore a balance needs to be made among the feats. Once this range has been established, the charcter is then to fight to the best of his ability meaning that a charcter is to fight using his abilities( whose range is backed by on panel evidence) hence strategies like speedblitzing are used.

At times, for the sake of the plot, characters that are immensely more powerful than their opponent will "job" to carry on the plot of the story, even though the characters powers and history would clearly show that they are more than capable of destroying their opponent. For this reason we have a No PIS Rule. This rule prohibits the use of such instances of PIS from being used as evidence in debates.

Above is the PIS rule, note the word history is included showing that a Characters history is indeed important when determining PIS and debating fights. It a shows that a characters HISTORY( not singular feat) is essential in determining a charcters capabilities and hence what is and what is NOT PIS. A charcters on panel history is what establishes powerlevels and not bios no matter where they are gotten from.

Good post, but OMG that wall of text was very challenging.

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Good post, but OMG that wall of text was very challenging.

My fingers still hurt from typing that.