Originally posted by carver9
Show me wonder woman punching someone a billion times in a second. I can help you more, show me wonder woman punching someone 10 times before they can react.Also show me a strength feat comparable to wwh holding a planet together that diana has done.
I'll be waiting.
WW can move her arms faster than light. Guess how many times someone can punch in a second if they move their arms that fast?
Holding a planet together is good. But helping to tow Earth is good too. But how do we know exactly much force the planet was trying to come apart with. For example, it probably took 1 millions of force to hold it together. But if Superman is more than 1 thousand times stronger than WW then WW was pulling at least pulling 1 quadrillion tons. I'm not saying she is stronger. I'm saying no one can say that WWH is stronger either.
Originally posted by carver9
I just want to know what brought you to the conclusion that ww is stronger then wwh. If you want a feat of wwh, Im going to bring up him using brute strength to hold a planet together, now what feat are you going to bring up about diana.
Her towing the Earth with Superman.
Gladiator , and Sentry are very fast as well, but this did not stop them from being beaten.
The Flash was recently embarassed by a Hulk like being as well (Konvict).
Speed only goes so far, and as this thread suggests, they are tied to one another, it's like putting Wonder Woman in an adamantium room with the Hulk. She has no room to maneuver, which plays right into King Hulks favor.
These reasons alone show why King Hulk would defeat Wonder Woman. Aside from the fact that he isn't as slow as many posters are trying to make him seem.
Originally posted by h1a8
WW can move her arms faster than light. Guess how many times someone can punch in a second if they move their arms that fast?Holding a planet together is good. But helping to tow Earth is good too. But how do we know exactly much force the planet was trying to come apart with. For example, it probably took 1 millions of force to hold it together. But if Superman is more than 1 thousand times stronger than WW then WW was pulling at least pulling 1 quadrillion tons. I'm not saying she is stronger. I'm saying no one can say that WWH is stronger either.
We use ON PANEL EVIDENCE as the supreme authority for comic debates. We dont use what should and should not be possible by real world logic. Wonderwoman HAS NEVER shown combat speed in DIRECT PHYSICAL COMBAT with another being. On the contrary she has bin hit by beingss on WWH speed level numerous times. Until she shows it we CANNOT assume she has it.
And yes WWH is stronger. WWH was the angriest version of the hulk. He could certainly replicate any of the hulks past feats and the hulk has feats that are infact gr8er than any wonderwoman strength feat. Not to mention he usually accomplishes them without the nice benefit of Hypersonic flight.
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Gladiator , and Sentry are very fast as well, but this did not stop them from being beaten.The Flash was recently embarassed by a Hulk like being as well (Konvict).
Speed only goes so far, and as this thread suggests, they are tied to one another, it's like putting Wonder Woman in an adamantium room with the Hulk. She has no room to maneuver, which plays right into King Hulks favor.
These reasons alone show why King Hulk would defeat Wonder Woman. Aside from the fact that he isn't as slow as many posters are trying to make him seem.
The chain is long enough for both of them to punch and kick each other. So if she can move on par with light then Hulk is a statue. That means she can punch him as many times as she wants before one neuron fires in Hulk's head. She can also decapitate Hulk with the tiara before Hulk realizes the bell just rang. The speed difference here is enormous.
Also, many will agree that Flash wins against WW Flash's speed difference to hers is much less than hers to WWH. Also WW is closer in strength to WWH than Flash is to WW. But Flash wins. I wonder if it is because of speed. 🙄
Originally posted by ultimatethor
We use ON PANEL EVIDENCE as the supreme authority for comic debates. We dont use what should and should not be possible by real world logic. Wonderwoman HAS NEVER shown combat speed in DIRECT PHYSICAL COMBAT with another being. On the contrary she has bin hit by beingss on WWH speed level numerous times. Until she shows it we CANNOT assume she has it.
And yes WWH is stronger. WWH was the angriest version of the hulk. He could certainly replicate any of the hulks past feats and the hulk has feats that are infact gr8er than any wonderwoman strength feat. Not to mention he usually accomplishes them without the nice benefit of Hypersonic flight.
Comics contradict themselves. That is why many use the best non PIS feats for characters (not the worst contradicting ones). WW had ducked a mega fast Superman punch. And we all know how fast Superman can punch.
How could WWH replicate any feat that writers disagree with? No writer in their right mind will ever have Hulk destroying a planetoid ever again.
I don't care how mad he gets. And Hulk wasn't that mad when he did that PIS B.S.
Originally posted by h1a8
I use a character's high feats that agrees with their official powerset. That means Diana can block multiple beams of light with speed and reflexes.The chain is long enough for both of them to punch and kick each other. So if she can move on par with light then Hulk is a statue. That means she can punch him as many times as she wants before one neuron fires in Hulk's head. She can also decapitate Hulk with the tiara before Hulk realizes the bell just rang. The speed difference here is enormous.
Also, many will agree that Flash wins against WW Flash's speed difference to hers is much less than hers to WWH. Also WW is closer in strength to WWH than Flash is to WW. But Flash wins. I wonder if it is because of speed. 🙄
You've still dismissed Konvict embarassing The Flash, and Gladiator and Sentry. All whom are leagues faster than the Hulk and arguably faster than Wonder Woman.
I am not going to make it seem like I am a martial arts instructor (Although I may be), but in a real fight most of them end up as tests of strength where one opponent grabs the other (80% of fights lead to the mat or in a grapple).
The Hulk grabbing Diana is highly possible (she has been grabbed before iirc).
As I stated earlier, The Sentry and Gladiator are both as fast or faster than Wonder Woman. Which may shoot holes in your entire argument. Speedier and stronger people than Diana, have lost to the Hulk is what I am saying.
At his best King Hulk has the strength and durability advantage over Wonder Woman, this can easilly be seen at the end of WWHulk, and to add to this he could have gotten stronger.
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
You've still dismissed Konvict embarassing The Flash, and Gladiator and Sentry. All whom are leagues faster than the Hulk and arguably faster than Wonder Woman.I am not going to make it seem like I am a martial arts instructor (Although I may be), but in a real fight most of them end up as tests of strength where one opponent grabs the other (80% of fights lead to the mat or in a grapple).
The Hulk grabbing Diana is highly possible (she has been grabbed before iirc).
As I stated earlier, The Sentry and Gladiator are both as fast or faster than Wonder Woman. Which may shoot holes in your entire argument. Speedier and stronger people than Diana, have lost to the Hulk is what I am saying.
At his best King Hulk has the strength and durability advantage over Wonder Woman, this can easilly be seen at the end of WWHulk, and to add to this he could have gotten stronger.
I don't use low showings that contradict high ones. Thus her getting hit or grabbed by slower beings is invalid due to the fact that she can block speeds of light at her best. Sentry is not faster than WW and neither is Gladiator (only in traveling speed).
A statue grabbing someone is impossible. Just let a statue try to grab you to see what I mean. Hulk has no chance here. She kills or koes him in less than a second. And lastly WW is stronger than WWH by feats.
Originally posted by h1a8
I don't use low showings that contradict high ones. Thus her getting hit or grabbed by slower beings is invalid due to the fact that she can block speeds of light at her best. Sentry is not faster than WW and neither is Gladiator (only in traveling speed).A statue grabbing someone is impossible. Just let a statue try to grab you to see what I mean. Hulk has no chance here. She kills or koes him in less than a second. And lastly WW is stronger than WWH by feats.
Gladiator has been seen numerous times throwing mutiple punches. If you feel like disregarding the fact that Wonder Woman has not been hit, grabbed or tagged by slower fighters than herself we might as well call this debate over, because it has happened and will happen again.
She is also chained to King Hulk who is neither a dumb fighter or a slow one. Barda was able to hit Diana and I have never seen her move at light speed. Blocking is one thing and being grabbed is entirely another.
If we are going by high end feats and throwing the low ones out the window, that means that slip ups don't count, and in a real fight no one is perfect.
WWHulk easilly overpowers Diana and kills her.
Originally posted by darthgoober
I'm well aware that the rule is ignored most of the time, that's why I keep pointing it out to others. The Mods are already on guys like Quan and carver so anything I tried to interject there would be all but pointless(if they won't listen to Mods then they won't listen to me).And of course I don't ask for proof of things that I already believe/agree with, that would be utterly ridiculous. See I don't actually support any particular opinion UNTIL I see proof on the matter. In the past I've looked at the available strength feats of both WW and the Hulk and IMO what I saw from Hulk was more impressive.
As for the Rules, I agree, one can't always play without ignoring them, from time to time. 😉
Originally posted by darthgoober
In case you haven't noticed, I myself haven't actually made the claim that WWH was stronger than WW in this thread yet because I don't know for sure whether or not she's had any major feats of strength since I last checked. That's why I was seeking proof of the claim that WW's stronger before I threw in my two cents on the fight itself.
That:
"I'm familiar with most of the strength feats of both WW and Hulk and I'm already of the opinion that WWH's stronger"
sounded like you would claim that WWH is stronger, your 2 cents thrown in BUT since english is not my prime language, I might just misunderstood you here 😉.
Originally posted by darthgoober
As for the rest, feel free to ask around about my debating standards and techniques. I can almost guarantee that you won't find a single poster who'll contradict anything I said in regards to my providing proof to support all my arguments.
I don't have to ask, you gave me an small impression of your debating skills now, haven't you? 😉
BTW I like them 🙂
I give you also an 👆 for the "almost" before "guarantee" 😉.
So, take no offense cheers
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Gladiator has been seen numerous times throwing mutiple punches. If you feel like disregarding the fact that Wonder Woman has not been hit, grabbed or tagged by slower fighters than herself we might as well call this debate over, because it has happened and will happen again.She is also chained to King Hulk who is neither a dumb fighter or a slow one. Barda was able to hit Diana and I have never seen her move at light speed. Blocking is one thing and being grabbed is entirely another.
If we are going by high end feats and throwing the low ones out the window, that means that slip ups don't count, and in a real fight no one is perfect.
WWHulk easilly overpowers Diana and kills her.
When I debate I imagine me with the super powers. I don't debate who will win in a comic. That is why this is a forum debate. I don't care if Diana got hit and grabbed 9999/10000 times by super slow motion beings, it contradicts her blocking multiple lasers. So if anyone had the power to block multiple beams of light then it is impossible for them to get hit or grabbed by any slow being. I don't care what you say. Consider the debate over if you like but this is my stance (the stance of common sense). And it is impossible for anyone to slip up to a statue.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
wonder woman must be male cross-dresser cause she is getting wanked like crazy. flash like speed now... c'mon H1, stop pissing in our ears and telling us it is raining....and lulz at all the arguments against hulk that can't do squat against
konvikt, a brick.
We know nothing of Konvikt. He can be as fast as Doomsday for all we know (Flashlike burst speed). WW doesn't need to be as fast as Flash in order for WWH to be a statue to her. All she needs is minimal FTL reflexes, in which she has.