Classic Molecule Man vs Ultimator and all of 5d Imps

Originally posted by Air Legend
This fails again. Do you think Mxy can retcon the Spectre or the Presence? Of course he can't.
Classic MM in a stomp.

And I think I'm going to stop responding to your annoying useless posts 🙂

It's really simple. the Preretconned Molecule man has no feats against the LT. while Mxy actually has feats against he Spectre. And has won. So what makes the Pre retconned molecule man superior again? Seeing as how mxy has actual wins on record against the spectre? mxy also actually has what? OMG, Feats.

Originally posted by Air Legend
Great this confirms once again that you think we both made up the definition of retcon.

So now we'll use logic. 🙂

Pre-retcon means before the retcon happened.
Pre-retcon and post-retcon are two different words with two different meanings. Pre means before. Post means after. Pre-retcon MM is not affected by the retcon because it signifies as if the retcon never happened.

Classic MM in a stomp.doped

Retcon means the way they are after the retcon is the way they've always been.

Of course you don't realize this cause you're just trolling. doped

Reported for trolling by the way. 😐

Originally posted by Creshosk
Strawman. Looks like you fail at reading comprehension.

Retcon means the way they are after the retcon is the way they've always been.

Of course you don't realize this cause you're just trolling. doped

Reported for trolling by the way. 😐

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Originally posted by Creshosk
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Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It's really simple. the Preretconned Molecule man has no feats against the LT. while Mxy actually has feats against he Spectre. And has won. So what makes the Pre retconned molecule man superior again? Seeing as how mxy has actual wins on record against the spectre? mxy also actually has what? OMG, Feats.

The best feat Mxy has is non-cannon World's funnest and I didn't see Batmite erased in that, let alone Michael, Lucifer, or the Presence.

Classic MM has affected all of Marvel, repair and destruction wise, and has been shown capable of hanging on with the Beyonder who had control over the past, present, and future.

Originally posted by Air Legend
The LT felt desperation and moved out of the way when MM came to talk to the Beyonder. The writers also stated that MM was greater than the LT.

The best feat Mxy has is non-cannon World's funnest and I didn't see Batmite erased in that, let alone Michael, Lucifer, or the Presence.

Classic MM has affected all of Marvel, repair and destruction wise, and has been shown capable of hanging on with the Beyonder who had control over the past, present, and future.

World's funnest is cannon as long as Hypertime validates it. Let us also not forget that in the very cannon Countdown, Mxy is shown reading and holding in his hand, the very issue he appears in. He's shown to be in and at the same time above the actual story. He's been shown to be like that a few times. Classic molecule man is outclassed. And jsut becuz the beyonder had control over time, doesn't mean he used his powers in that way against the molecule man. Speculatory bullshit that he did. It was never on panel.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
World's funnest is cannon as long as Hypertime validates it. Let us also not forget that in the very cannon Countdown, Mxy is shown reading and holding in his hand, the very issue he appears in. He's shown to be in and at the same time above the actual story.
He's been shown to be like that a few times. Classic molecule man is outclassed. And jsut becuz the beyonder had control over time, doesn't mean he used his powers in that way against the molecule man. Speculatory bullshit that he did. It was never on panel.

They were causing Multiversal destruction making it clear they were fighting that way. And for the people who are a little slow in the head, the writer later points this out in a scene where MM talks to Captain America pertaining to his fight with the Beyonder about the uncomprehendable levels they were fighting on.

Originally posted by Air Legend
Interesting...so the World's funnest was just a story (or dream as you like to say)?
Classic MM is outclassed? Nah. Secret Wars II sold more comics.

They were causing Multiversal destruction making it clear they were fighting that way. And for the people who are a little slow in the head, the writer later points this out in a scene where MM talks to Captain America pertaining to his fight with the Beyonder about the uncomprehendable levels they were fighting on.

You act as if Mxy is just some round the way being. That is why you are rediculous to argue against. And world's funnest was validated by hypertime. You are the worst of all. You can only see with your blind marvel wanking. I bore of you. go get some damn dc books and come back when you actually know something. Classic Molecule man has no feats to suggest he can keep up with mxy. HIs fights are all retconned. He was never as powerful as the LT. even if you take him at face value of being more powerful than the LT in the story, that LT, has nothing to do with the LT in continuity as he was NEVER weaker than those guys. YOu fail, on every level.

can't use the showings of the Current LT, who was never weaker than classic molecule man, to somehow validate classic molecule man's powers. Especially since current LT was NEVER weaker than him.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
HIs fights are all retconned. He was never as powerful as the LT. even if you take him at face value of being more powerful than the LT in the story, that LT, has nothing to do with the LT in continuity as he was NEVER weaker than those guys. YOu fail, on every level.

can't use the showings of the Current LT, who was never weaker than classic molecule man, to somehow validate classic molecule man's powers. Especially since current LT was NEVER weaker than him.

If that's how you feel about it,
why'd you make a thread where Classic MM and Current LT battle?

Seems pointless to include a "Classic" character and pin em in a fight,
and then take away his status/power level during his "Classic" stage to fight.

You should've just used "Current" MM ... wait, or is there an agenda here?

I mean that's why we title the thread with a PRE- or Classic next to the combatant's name.

Originally posted by Mr Master
If that's how you feel about it,
why'd you make a thread where Classic MM and Current LT battle?

Seems pointless to include a "Classic" character and pin em in a fight,
and then take away his status/power level during his "Classic" stage to fight.

You should've just used "Current" MM ... wait, or is there an agenda here?

I mean that's why we title the thread with a PRE- or Classic next to the combatants names.

The agenda is to show the absurdity at trying to pin classic characters or retconned characters feats against a being whom they have never been superior to. And this isn't my thread. You can't have classic Molecule man beign superior to the current LT when he never was. He can only be superior to the LT depicted in that story. When the retcon happend, it didnt' just happen to the beyonder and moleculeman, it happened to everyone.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The agenda is to show the absurdity at trying to pin classic characters or retconned characters feats against a being whom they have never been superior to. And this isn't my thread. You can't have classic Molecule man beign superior to the current LT when he never was. He can only be superior to the LT depicted in that story. When the retcon happend, it didnt' just happen to the beyonder and moleculeman, it happened to everyone.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The agenda is to show the absurdity at trying to pin classic characters or retconned characters feats against a being whom they have never been superior to.

We've always accepted a characters levels during their pre-era if it's stated by the thread starter,
you yourself have made arguments for Pre-DS, now you wanna knock Pre-MM.

It's simple, if you don't like the concept that been used at kmc for years,
then don't participate in them, it's really that simple.

But your agenda will never stop us at kmc from using a Pre-Retcon cat,
not now, not ever.

Pre-Retcon MM stomps LT (any LT ... the only LT)

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And this isn't my thread.

I know, your is the Pre-MM vs Current LT,

completely pointless cause you're not allowing Pre-MM, to be Pre-MM.

Like I said before, you should've just used Current MM,
cause that's who your forcing him to be.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You can't have classic Molecule man beign superior to the current LT when he never was. He can only be superior to the LT depicted in that story.

Back to this again?

As you wish.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
When the retcon happend,
it didnt' just happen to the beyonder and moleculeman,
it happened to everyone.

And this isn't true at all.

Peace and love yall.

Originally posted by Mr Master
We've always accepted a characters levels during their pre-era if it's stated by the thread starter,
you yourself have made arguments for Pre-DS, now you wanna knock Pre-MM.

It's simple, if you don't like the concept that been used at kmc for years,
then don't participate in them, it's really that simple.

But your agenda will never stop us at kmc from using a Pre-Retcon cat,
not now, not ever.

Pre-Retcon MM stomps LT (any LT ... the only LT)

I know, your is the Pre-MM vs Current LT,

completely pointless cause you're not allowing Pre-MM, to be Pre-MM.

Like I said before, you should've just used Current MM,
cause that's who your forcing him to be.

Back to this again?

As you wish.

And this isn't true at all.

Peace and love yall.

Um, So how can a retcon happen that only affected two beings, when the position of everyone else was relative to those two beings? IF the LT was NEVER lower than the two, that would mean, he wasn't ever in that story. It was in fact another LT. Why is this so hard for you to compute?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Um, So how can a retcon happen that only affected two beings, when the position of everyone else was relative to those two beings? IF the LT was NEVER lower than the two, that would mean, he wasn't ever in that story. It was in fact another LT. Why is this so hard for you to compute?

Probably because in the entire history of the LT, it's been stated that there is only 1. The idea of there being more than one LT is preposterous unless it's backed up with evidence.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Probably because in the entire history of the LT, it's been stated that there is only 1. The idea of there being more than one LT is preposterous unless it's backed up with evidence.

You are missing the point. If there is only ONE LT, and he has NEVER been lower than the beyonder, than that would mean One cannot count these two as being higher than the current LT since HE"S NEVER BEEN LOWER THAN THEM. And the LT has M bodies. Who's to say it wasn't an m body in the story. Just throwing that in there.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You are missing the point. If there is only ONE LT, and he has NEVER been lower than the beyonder, than that would mean One cannot count these two as being higher than the current LT since HE"S NEVER BEEN LOWER THAN THEM. And the LT has M bodies. Who's to say it wasn't an m body in the story. Just throwing that in there.

I'm not missing the point. I understand what you are trying to say. I'm just letting you know that there is only 1 LT period.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
I'm not missing the point. I understand what you are trying to say. I'm just letting you know that there is only 1 LT period.

Well then who is in the story where the beyonder and molecule man are superior to when the LT according to marvel cannon was NEVER inferior to them?

It was the LT, the same one who fought against Nebulous, stood up to Warlock and the IG, confronted Protege, and lost to Thanos w/HOTI. And you're right. After the retcon, the LT was never inferior to Beyonder and Molecule Man. But this thread is using the Molecule Man before Marvel decided to downgrade their power.