Classic Molecule Man vs. MJJ vs. THe LT

Originally posted by King Kandy
it seemed like he was saying that a finite number> An infinite number.

laughable at best

*Not dogging Mr M*

Originally posted by King Kandy
So I guess LT could be beaten the same way, huh?

Or did you forget that LT/Protege is OMNESCIENT?

That's nice.
LT doesn't show it all the time, and Protege was still covered up.

You vainly attempted to insult me from the get,
so I obliged.

So me saying that your claim that Beyonder's infinite Universe is larger than Marvel's infinite Multiverse is illogical is an insult ? Funny .

Your view is meaningless (concerning Marvel)
when it contradicts something Marvel has established as Fact.

If Marvel says there are different levels of Infinity ... then let it be.

Don't come out telling me, "I already explained it"
(like you know better)
You're simply trying to challenge a simple statement.

That being ... Marvel has different levels of Infinity (On Panel) in TWO separate issues.

No that is what you think Marvel has established as fact . It's your rather illogical view on the scans (Different levels of Omnipotence) that you go by , not by what Marvel has established .

I already explained to you several times what the scans mean , yet you still go by your illogical theories .

The scans actually back me up , since my examples are pretty much what the scans say , but in another form so that you can understand . You have a comprehension problem . There are several times I've told you this . You take your views on certain things as being the correct ones and don't accept anybody else's opinions as being correct , even when they are more logical and intelligent than yours are .

And this is getting rather stupid . You go on and on with illogical claims such as different levels of Omnipotence when I already explain to you numerous times what the scans mean , with examples that even a 10 years old would understand .

You been popping garbage for a while now,

no more mister nice guy.

Respect = respect, it's not a one way street.

Popping garbage?

You're the one saying that there are different levels of Omnipotence yet I'm popping garbage ?

You have a way of seeing things with a one track mind.

It's like everything you say is hypocritical .

How this debunks the On Panel facts is sensible only in your mind.

Marvel says there are different levels of Infinity/Omnipotence,

so that's what it is.

Your logic doesn't mean anything, right or wrong.

This is comic books, specifically concerning Marvel in this moment.

All that matters is what Marvel says, concerning THEIR Comics.

So peace.

That's your counter argument to me explaining to you what the scans say ?

By lying and saying that Marvel has established different levels of Omnipotence ?

By ignoring what I say and going on with your illogical blabbering ?

This one really convinved me .

You're not worth debating with .

You have your opinion , illogical as it is , and still go by it no matter what .

It's useless talking to you .

Yea, if he's being introduced as his PAST self.

It's all make believe and hypothetical, so yea,
I don't have a problem with someone bring in a Pre-retcon cat,
so long as it's stated in the heading of the thread.

It seems you can't understand the concept of a retcon .

There is no past almighty self that Molecule Man has had .

He was never that strong .

Pre-Retcon = / = Pre-depowerment .

Hard to get ?

It proves you were wrong about MM's status in his pre-era.

Actually what it proves is that you didn't comprehend my post and started showing scans without having a clue about what I was talking about .

I don't care what you post.

I'm only responding to you because of your opening insult in the prior page.

You been doing it across several threads, enough is enough.

So me saying that what you claim is illogical , as it obviously is , is an insult ?

Nah,

the retcon was depowering MM.

It has NEVER been stated that MM or Beyonder were weaker in the PRE era.

Now AFTER the Pre era? Yes, it has been established they BECAME weaker.

They were never that strong . They were never superior to LT . That's the point of a retcon . It's not the same as depowering a character, it's pointing out that he wasn't that strong to begin with .

Is that so hard to understand ?

Yea you did insult me.

If you don't realized that, you have a problem.

As I said , pointing out that something is illogical isn't an insult .

How do you think I feel talking to a proven liar.

Again , insulting me . Frankly , I'm really getting tired of it .

MAKE BELIEVE dude!

This discussion is really getting nowhere

So long as it's stated in the title of the thread,
I could care less about having some fun.

This is your whole counter-argument ? So just because a character was never that strong doesn't mean we can't use the power he didn't have ?

Then why shouldn't we start doing this to more characters ? Pre-getting trashed by Superman Darkseid ? Pre-whatever retcon happened to a certain character vs other character ?

What you need to understand is that Retcon = / = Depowerment , and then you will understand more .

Now, again,

make your point respectfully, and perhaps we'll find a middle where we can be peers.

But don't quote part of my post, and state it's funny like I'm a joke.

And don't state, "somebody is going to bring up different levels of Infinity"
and make a snide remark after it.

Or "I already explained it and he doesn't comprehend"
(as though you're the lord of interpretation)

That's a pompous & sanctimonious remark.

As I said , I didn't insult , I ony pointed that something is illogical in what you said .

As long as you actually try to think that maybe you aren't always right and try to take other's opinions and explinations into account , aswell as not come out and insult without a reason , then we won't have a problem.

Seriously , every time I've pointed out what those scans meant you just plain and simply ignored it . Why do you go by something that's illogical ?

So, Erik loses again.

Anyway, MM takes it.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr

No that is what you think Marvel has established as fact .

It's your rather illogical view on the scans (Different levels of Omnipotence)
that you go by ,

not by what Marvel has established .

I already explained to you several times what the scans mean ,

yet you still go by your illogical theories .

The scans actually back me up,

blahblah

Please yall, read this guy's assault carefully,
cause I'm about to enjoy the bottom I'ma put on this cat.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
You have a comprehension problem .

We'll see.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr

You go on and on with illogical claims such as different levels of Omnipotence

when I already explain to you numerous times what the scans mean

with examples that even a 10 years old would understand .

Popping garbage?

You're the one saying that there are different levels of Omnipotence yet I'm popping garbage?

ermmdur

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr

By lying and saying that Marvel has established different levels of Omnipotence?

I'm lying about Marvel establishing different levels of Infinity/Omnipotence.

rofl2

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The moment of TRUTH!

Who's the intransigent liar?

We'll let us see.

............................................................................

The rant will be ignored, since it's meaningless.

But I will address the Infinity issue.
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The question is,

DOES MARVEL HAVE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF INFINITY?
(who cares if it's illogical blah, blah, blah ahh shut up)

DOES MARVEL HAVE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF INFINITY?
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Kubik says,

"Our power is as nothing to the Celestials"

Kosmos replies,

"But Kubik, do we not possess Infinite Power (Omnipotence)

Kubik retorts,

"Yes, Our might is Infinite. But there are Levels of Infinity"

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It doesn't really say that, It was I that drew that issue and did the lettering. 😆

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CONTINUES ...

Kosmos says,

"Infinity by it's very nature is unsurpassable."

Kubik replies,

"Consider then the Set called Whole Numbers - 1, 2, 3, 4 and so on, is it not Infinite?"

Kosmos answers,

"Obviously."

Kubik retorts,

"Then consider the Set called Even Numbers - 2, 4, 6, 8 and so on, how long is it?

Kosmos responds,

"Why Infinite of course."

Kubik with wisdom,

"Half of Infinity is still Infinity, and the same would be true of the Set of Odd Numbers?

Kosmos answers,

"Of course."

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CONTINUES ...

Kubik explains,

"Both Sets are Infinite, and yet the Set of Whole Numbers contains BOTH Subsets,

and is therefore TWICE as Large as either Subset Alone"

..............................................................

CONTINUES ...

Kubik finishes,

"Thus are demonstrated TWO LEVELS of INFINITY,

there are of course, an INFINITE number MORE"

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STOMPED!!!

Dr Strange also noted there were levels of infinity.

Originally posted by Evolve
Dr Strange also noted there were levels of infinity.

👆

"the very Concept of Infinity is relative,

Numbers are Infinite, so are odd Numbers, yet by definition,

there are Twice as many Numbers as there are odd Numbers ...

One Infinity is included within a larger Infinity"

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Please yall, read this guy's assault carefully,
cause I'm about to enjoy the I'ma put on this cat.

Guys like you who actually think they know everything and that their opinion is all that matters are actually entertaning in a way 🙂

We'll see.

We already did

And now it's time to utterly destroy your argument , using your own scans

This is going to be fun

😆

I'm lying about Marvel establishing different levels of Infinity/Omnipotence.

............................................................................

The moment of TRUTH!

Who's the intransigent liar?

We'll let us see.

............................................................................

The rant will be ignored, since it's meaningless.

But I will address the Infinity issue.
..............................................................

The question is,

DOES MARVEL HAVE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF INFINITY?
(who cares if it's illogical blah, blah, blah ahh shut up)

DOES MARVEL HAVE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF INFINITY?
..............................................................

Kubik says,

"Our power is as nothing to the Celestials"

Kosmos replies,

"But Kubik, do we not possess Infinite Power (Omnipotence)

Kubik retorts,

"Yes, Our might is Infinite. But there are Levels of Infinity"

..............................................................

It doesn't really say that, It was I that drew that issue and did the lettering. laughing

..............................................................

CONTINUES ...

Kosmos says,

"Infinity by it's very nature is unsurpassable."

Kubik replies,

"Consider then the Set called Whole Numbers - 1, 2, 3, 4 and so on, is it not Infinite?"

Kosmos answers,

"Obviously."

Kubik retorts,

"Then consider the Set called Even Numbers - 2, 4, 6, 8 and so on, how long is it?

Kosmos responds,

"Why Infinite of course."

Kubik with wisdom,

"Half of Infinity is still Infinity, and the same would be true of the Set of Odd Numbers?

Kosmos answers,

"Of course."

..............................................................

CONTINUES ...

Kubik explains,

"Both Sets are Infinite, and yet the Set of Whole Numbers contains BOTH Subsets,

and is therefore TWICE as Large as either Subset Alone"

..............................................................

CONTINUES ...

Kubik finishes,

"Thus are demonstrated TWO LEVELS of INFINITY,

there are of course, an INFINITE number MORE"

..............................................................

"can we not warp the laws of time and space at our whim ?"

"Yes our might is infinite . But there are different levels of infinity", aka different areas to which you can have infinite control over .

And then follows my example only in this case he uses numbers while I use the fundamental forces of the Universe , both examples being similar to one another .

What does this example want to say to us ?

Well of course , that there is a infinite set of numbers (Or a control over a specific area) , and another set of numbers who is also infinite , but that both of this numbers are contained within another infinity which encompasses all areas , and infinite control over all areas (over everything) is also known Omnipotence .

Even Strange says the same thing :

"One infinity is included within a larger infinity . "

How ironic that you say "stomped" yet you end up on the reciving end .

😉

That's not said or alluded to anywhere in the comic.

So, why should we use it?

You're on ignore . Don't reply .

So, you're wrong.

Gotcha.

MJJ i think wins, no clever reason, just i like him more, doesn his mere thought warp realities, does he even have to think? if he has to think he may be at a fault

but hes leaps and bounds more cool than the other characters, especially LT

living tribunal is above jaspers

but LT is a queer thing, surely if jaspers simply wills it, he can imagine LT as nothing? i thought MJJ imagines and it becomes reality or something like that

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
So, you're wrong.

Gotcha.

IT would seem, anyone who doesn't think like you, or has superior logic, is in your eyes, wrong.

Originally posted by Burning thought
but LT is a queer thing, surely if jaspers simply wills it, he can imagine LT as nothing? i thought MJJ imagines and it becomes reality or something like that

There's nothing Jaspers can do to the Living Tribunal. Nothin

Originally posted by guy222
There's nothing Jaspers can do to the Living Tribunal. Nothin

why is this? if he can shape reality itself surely he could shape how tribunal will be

LT's powers exceed Jaspers

ofc in the current reality, but if Jaspers so decides it, he could reshape everything

LOL Guy. it's hard isn't it

LT governs all realities in the MU. MJJ has dominion over reality itself but LT is a proxy for The One Above All....i.e. LT acts on behalf of TOAA. LT is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent....jaspers is omnipotent only in his sphere of power, i.e. reality. That's how fury defeated him in their battle, by moving jaspers to a situation where they existed outside reality (as stupid as that is). LT is higher than any single reality, or realities. Tribinual holds realities in his hand...all jaspers can do is shape those realities as he sees fit....LT is higher than jaspers because jaspers is constricted by his powerset....he manipulates reality, but LT actually is above the concept of reality.