Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Really? I never actually saw the depowerment but I always got the impression that Cyttorak didn't want him to be using his power anymore.
Originally posted by SuperiorTechTalking about current (I am).
Got the impression he fell out of favor iwth cytorrak and got cut off.
Originally posted by Gecko4lifGlowy hands seemingly means he just puts some energy behind his punches.
Thanos has comisc power right?
Everytime he uses it his hands or eyes get all glowy.
His has are almost always glowing when he is fighting. Ergo. He amps when he is fighting
The only time he looked like he amped, is when he was fighting his clone.
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Isn't Juggs like, completely invulnerable to physical harm, and has like, limitless strength?
I'm also not completely sold that he's fully invulnerable to all physical harm. I believe he does have a limit, but it's a just a very high limit.
Juggernaut has never been harmed by a physical force or even a cosmic force in comics, 616 continuity.
And they changed the way Cyttorak is. At first, in a Doc Strange comic, Cy didn't care whether Cain as good or bad, it was all done in his name.
Alot can be argued that Cain can increase his strength when he wants something bad enough.
Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
Juggernaut has never been harmed by a physical force or even a cosmic force in comics, 616 continuity.
Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
Alot can be argued that Cain can increase his strength when he wants something bad enough.
I don't see what could be argued in his case that he can summon more strength on his own.
Originally posted by Accel
Which doesn't mean he's completely impervious to harm, especially when it's strongly implied he's been hurt by Vision and Thor before.
People are saying he can be which has yet to be proven. By harmed I mean he is physically damaged, which hasn't happened. That Thor comic was PIS. That writer didn't know Juggernaut's character enough. He even called Cain a mutant, which he isn't. Besides, he was jarred, not really obtaining any injuries against either one of those people.
Remeber it is a comic after all, and in these comics invulnurability shouldn't be that hard to believe.
Originally posted by Accel
Every time he's been powered up, it was stated it was an outside source. Then you have every time where he could've increased his strength but never did.
See here is the funny thing, the one time he has been "powered up" as you say, even if that were true it wouldn't be an outside source. Cyttorak and the Crimson Cosmos is his power source. The dialogue supports the claims of increased focus and rage draws more power to him from the Cosmos and/or Cyttoark.
Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
People are saying he can be which has yet to be proven. By harmed I mean he is physically damaged, which hasn't happened. That Thor comic was PIS. That writer didn't know Juggernaut's character enough. He even called Cain a mutant, which he isn't. Besides, he was jarred, not really obtaining any injuries against either one of those people.Remeber it is a comic after all, and in these comics invulnurability shouldn't be that hard to believe.
Even his greatest durability feat of taking the godblast was written by the same guy who referred to Cain as a mutant and wrote that most of Cain’s durability is derived form his shield; if DeFalco’s writing of Juggernaut is suspect, then that pretty much takes away the validity of that feat.
Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
See here is the funny thing, the one time he has been "powered up" as you say, even if that were true it wouldn't be an outside source. Cyttorak and the Crimson Cosmos is his power source. The dialogue supports the claims of increased focus and rage draws more power to him from the Cosmos and/or Cyttoark.
And the only times Cyttorak seems to give Cain any power is to perform a specific duty.
Originally posted by Accel
It also has yet to be proven he wasn’t hurt at all. At this point, if Juggernaut were to be stated to be physically hurt, there’d be cries of PIS based on nothing. The fact that he hasn’t been blatantly hurt yet physically doesn’t mean he can’t be harmed at all.Even his greatest durability feat of taking the godblast was written by the same guy who referred to Cain as a mutant and wrote that most of Cain’s durability is derived form his shield; if DeFalco’s writing of Juggernaut is suspect, then that pretty much takes away the validity of that feat.
By “powered up by an outside source,” I mean outside of his own will. I consider Cyttorak an outside source because history pretty much shows that unless Cyttorak specifically wants Cain to be stronger, Cain ain’t getting any stronger on his own.
Still Juggs has not taken any damage from a physical attack, and is yet to be proven that he can take damage from a physical attack. Fans wouldn't cry out anymore than when Hulk was defeated by a snake, Spider-Man w/ Cement truck, or Cap and Spidey.
The Godblast had no effect on his person at all. Juggs has been hit by things that have destroyed his armor caused it to burst apart. He was also hit by a blast of sheer energy enough to vaporize countless tons of steel in a split second only to shake him.
Where are you getting this "history pretty much shows" that Cy wants Cain to be stronger? If anything it only happened once.
But in the new WWH issue it is stated that it is Cain that has to decide/want the power. Cy didn't limit him. He wanted to fight the Hulk bad enough and he got power. During the 8th Day, Cain was undertook by mind control and wanted to get to his destination very badly.
Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
When WWHuc hit Jugg's helmet and dented it, Juggy made a little cry out, which seemed like pain...
It could have been human reaction, or a surprise reaction. Imagine when someone fake punches you in the gut(not actually hitting you). Sometimes people react to that, as if they were actually hit. (Not really going through all the emotions, but letting out an "hmph".)
Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
It could have been human reaction, or a surprise reaction. Imagine when someone fake punches you in the gut(not actually hitting you). Sometimes people react to that, as if they were actually hit. (Not really going through all the emotions, but letting out an "hmph".)
Especially when he knows he's going to get hit... I mean, it is a fight, and he was hit in the head.
Don't have a scan on hand, but I'll steal Priest's.
Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
Why exactly would an invulnerable person act like that if a hit was coming?
Especially when he knows he's going to get hit... I mean, it is a fight, and he was hit in the head.
Remember Cain, just before that scene, just got his ass handed to him and beat into the ground. So he has been weak for a while and not really used to being invulnerable. That really kind of looks like he is grunting from being pushed back.
It is like someone getting hit with water from a hose, the water doesn't hurt you but you'll have a similar reaction.
It is also the same as this scan. Hulk got hit by Wolverine and made a reaction and sound. But he is unharmed in anyway. It could also be the way an artist draws.
Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
Still Juggs has not taken any damage from a physical attack, and is yet to be proven that he can take damage from a physical attack. Fans wouldn't cry out anymore than when Hulk was defeated by a snake, Spider-Man w/ Cement truck, or Cap and Spidey.
Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
The Godblast had no effect on his person at all. Juggs has been hit by things that have destroyed his armor caused it to burst apart. He was also hit by a blast of sheer energy enough to vaporize countless tons of steel in a split second only to shake him.
So if both fights with Thor were written by the same guy, how is one PIS and not the other?
Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
Where are you getting this "history pretty much shows" that Cy wants Cain to be stronger? If anything it only happened once.
Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
But in the new WWH issue it is stated that it is Cain that has to decide/want the power. Cy didn't limit him. He wanted to fight the Hulk bad enough and he got power. During the 8th Day, Cain was undertook by mind control and wanted to get to his destination very badly.
Even during 8th Day, Cain himself even stated that something else made his stronger; nothing about his own will.