Street Fighter IV

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Originally posted by No End N Site
Tekken has more moves per character but moves don't make up strategy, completely. There are other things you have to take into consideration when playin' a 2D game, far more than a 3D game. Hit Boxes, frame data, cancels, so on and so forth. What a 2D game lacks in moves per character compared to a 3D game it makes up in the sheer complexity of it's design and the time it takes to understand it. So to say that one game has more strategies over another simply because of the move lists is wrong.

Couldn't of said it better. 💃Yeah

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
The fact that Wahman so easily understands what I'm saying, and JustFrame/Satsujin/No End don't is what bothers me.

It makes me realise that what I am saying is very, very easily comprehendable and you're just sitting there ignoring it because you don't want to admit it.

All this time I thought JustFrame genuinely didn't get my points, but now I know he does and that he is just ignoring what I'm saying. He's sitting there telling me how I played the arcade game and what I got out of it. Such presumption is disgraceful.

-AC

I perfectly understand what you're saying.. and you're wrong.. there is talent involved.. thats all there is to it..you dont stay on top with speed and know-how alone

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I think I want to play vega (claw) now.. ><.. I cant get enough of Izuna Drop

Except I'm not doing any of that, am I? The fact that you believe I am is what shows you do not get what I'm saying.

You want to, to avoid looking like my points are beyond you, but you don't. The fact that someone else came in and so clearly understood my point and had to correct all three of you proves that.

If you can't understand my point, that's fine, but don't sit there butchering my points because YOU'RE more dense than Scottish mist. It's not my fault.

I'm simply saying it's not talent on the level you propose, that being comparable to being a painter. Factually it's just not, you're wrong and I've explained why you're wrong. Live in the world of fanboy obliviousness if you desire, if it helps you sleep well.

Originally posted by JustFrame
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Couldn't of said it better. 💃Yeah

Sheer complexity of design? Street Fighter?

This is what I mean about the over-complication.

This proves you don't read posts. YOU couldn't have said it better, yet he didn't even say it well, or correctly.

-AC

Originally posted by No End N Site
Isn't that what I just said?

Originally posted by No End N Site
And I think you completely missed the point of Just Frame's posts.

Originally posted by No End N Site
I'm not sayin' that SF or Tekken has more strategy than the other but one is 2D and one is 3D, Tekken has more moves per character but moves don't make up strategy, completely.

Originally posted by No End N Site
There are other things you have to take into consideration when playin' a 2D game, far more than a 3D game. Hit Boxes, frame data, cancels, so on and so forth. What a 2D game lacks in moves per character compared to a 3D game it makes up in the sheer complexity of it's design and the time it takes to understand it.

Originally posted by No End N Site
So to say that one game has more strategies over another simply because of the move lists is wrong.

Here something nice, dunno if it has been posted before. No SF IV but still a great example of skill.

YouTube video

How? It's timing and reaction.

It's learned skill. A skill more or less anyone has the potential to possess if they try.

Unless you actually think he was born with the ability to be destined to do that.

Look at who was playing as Chun-Li, it took them multiple tries to even do the move. She stood there like she was having a fit before it actually worked. So much for having "perfect" ability to pull off the moves.

-AC

Originally posted by JustFrame
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Couldn't of said it better. 💃Yeah

Why thank you.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
How? It's timing and reaction.

It's learned skill. A skill more or less anyone has the potential to possess if they try.

Unless you actually think he was born with the ability to be destined to do that.

Look at who was playing as Chun-Li, it took them multiple tries to even do the move. She stood there like she was having a fit before it actually worked. So much for having "perfect" ability to pull off the moves.

-AC

How? You said yourself that it's skill. facepalm

More or less, yes, you certainly belong to the "less" population.

Destiny has nothing to do with this, destiny =/= skill. facepalm2

I don't talk about the Chun-Li player, bringing this up to lowball the Ken Player is kind of stupid. facepalm

So you replied to my example of skill just to tell me that it's no skill at all, just reaction and timing, while contradicting this same statement with your next sentence where you say that it is learned skill? facepalm2

So why even bother replying if you agree that it's skill? Just to be annyoing? Sorry my boy it doesn't work 🙂. You just keep on making an ass out of yourself 👆.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

Look at who was playing as Chun-Li, it took them multiple tries to even do the move. She stood there like she was having a fit before it actually worked. So much for having "perfect" ability to pull off the moves.

-AC

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NO! it was Justin Wong actually, he was just trying to bait Daigo before he pulled off Chun-Li's special. To imply that one of the worlds top 5 SF players was failing at pulling off an ultra speaks volumes of your ignorance.

youre definitely a comic book vs. frequenter 😐

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Here something nice, dunno if it has been posted before. No SF IV but still a great example of skill.

YouTube video

Yeah, this one has been posted before. It's a classic. SFIII is my all time favorite fighter but that Vid displayed why I love and hate that game.

1. That isn't easy to do, it takes somethin' special to pull that off along wit practice and skill. It looks great and it is.

2. Ken nearly had no life left, chip damage would have killed him. He was able to parry a nearly 20 hit super, and there was no downside to that at all. He totally got way with that. You shouldn't be able to nullify every single move in the game.

If someone parries a Seraphic Wing, I will give up on SFIII forever.

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
youre definitely a comic book vs. frequenter 😐

'cmon AC asked for it.

How can he argue about a game he has never played before?! If you asked him how to parry in SFIII, he prolly couldn't tell you.

Originally posted by No End N Site
How can he argue about a game he has never played before?! If you asked him how to parry in SFIII, he prolly couldn't tell you.

He could, the internetz is a friend, ask a question get an answer, act smart. 😉

Originally posted by No End N Site
How can he argue about a game he has never played before?

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That parry took more skill to acomplish than any 10 hit throw combo on tekken, put it that way.

Wait, are you now claiming I've NEVER played Street Fighter, No End?

Why would you level such an unbelievably ridiculous claim at me? there are people on this BOARD who have played Street Fighter with me.

Don't do that again, dude. It's grade school.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
How? You said yourself that it's skill. facepalm

More or less, yes, you certainly belong to the "less" population.

Destiny has nothing to do with this, destiny =/= skill. facepalm2

I don't talk about the Chun-Li player, bringing this up to lowball the Ken Player is kind of stupid. facepalm

So you replied to my example of skill just to tell me that it's no skill at all, just reaction and timing, while contradicting this same statement with your next sentence where you say that it is learned skill? facepalm2

So why even bother replying if you agree that it's skill? Just to be annyoing? Sorry my boy it doesn't work 🙂. You just keep on making an ass out of yourself 👆.

We disagree on the kind of skill it is.

You believe it's a natural skill that not everybody can learn, in the sense that it's a gifted ability.

It's not. It's a "skill" in the same sense that a construction worker possesses "skills" needed in his work place.

There's a difference between possessing A skill and something BEING skill. Learn it.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
He could, the internetz is a friend, ask a question get an answer, act smart. 😉

Ahh, the very sneaky but ultimately cowardly get-out clause.

If I know, you'll blame it on that. Very often used technique. Cowardly though.

Because...I couldn't POSSIBLY know how by playing it. I DEFINITELY must've googled it.

-AC

Originally posted by Juk3n
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That parry took more skill to acomplish than any 10 hit throw combo on tekken, put it that way.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
He could, the internetz is a friend, ask a question get an answer, act smart. 😉

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Wait, are you now claiming I've NEVER played Street Fighter, No End?

Why would you level such an unbelievably ridiculous claim at me? there are people on this BOARD who have played Street Fighter with me.

Don't do that again, dude. It's grade school.

No, you just made a comment about SFIII 3rd Strike, and I just said you have never played the game you just commented on.

Originally posted by No End N Site
I don't wanna say that simply cuz I don't wanna make this a Game VS sorta thing, but damn does it seem highly unlikely that even top players can parry a 17 hit combo whenever they want to. Hell, even a 8 hitter.

All about the hypocrite train, No End is driving.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

We disagree on the kind of skill it is.

You believe it's a natural skill that not everybody can learn, in the sense that it's a gifted ability.

It's not. It's a "skill" in the same sense that a construction worker possesses "skills" needed in his work place.

There's a difference between possessing A skill and something BEING skill. Learn it.

-AC

We disagree on the kind of skill? You know what I believe even though I didn't post my definition of skill in that post? Well, well let's see.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Here something nice, dunno if it has been posted before. No SF IV but still a great example of skill.

A great example of skill.I made it bold for you so you might see it better this time. So where is now my "believe" my interpretation of skill in this sentence, tell me this?

So again, just the way you are. You know son, maybe you should read, think and then post. Learn it. 😱

Originally posted by No End N Site
I don't wanna say that simply cuz I don't wanna make this a Game VS sorta thing, but damn does it seem highly unlikely that even top players can parry a 17 hit combo whenever they want to. Hell, even a 8 hitter.

thats where the natural talent and SKILL come into play.