Originally posted by Ryo 666
Means you actually have skill when you win
O RLLY?
Sidenote...nasty combos biscuits
Originally posted by Ryo 666
Means you actually have skill when you win
O RLLY?
Sidenote...nasty combos biscuits
Originally posted by TricksterPriestI was joking, dick. estahuh
Balrog's Ex-dash moves are feared for a reason. You just need good timing and a bit of mix-up. Balrog is meant to be played as a rushdown guy. CORNER THE BASTARD. Balrog's moves all have hyper armor EX variants. You can whale on Sagat by forcing him to adapt to your attacks. If he has to play at your pace (IE: Rushdown as opposed to zoning), he'll be at a disadvantage. Just watch out for the knee and upper. I'm not sure if Balrog's moves have higher priority than Sagat's. Your SA may not have much range, but the hyper armor adds up and it lets you set up your Crazy Buffalo. A dash attack canceled into the ultra or super, and suddenly Sagat is playing pure defense to stay alive.Btw, Justframe, in japan the Focus Attack is called the Saving Attack, so if I refer to SA, I'm refering to the FA.
Sado, all you're proving is that you're a crappy player. If someone spamming Tiger Shots is all it takes to beat you, then you my friend, ARE A SCRUB.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Scrub
And geeze man, Magaki, Igniz, Rugal'02? You're comparing him to bosses who actually are broken? All 3 of those guys are ludicrously overpowered. That's why if they have player versions, they're toned down.
Even the best guys with Seth would admit you can lose just as easily as you can win. Seth has a crystal jaw, he spams teleport because if he doesn't, he gets raped by hit-trading. 'Gief can hit-trade due to his huge stamina, as can a few others. But for Seth, that's a suicidal course.
As for the Tiger Shot, here's a few counters. Spam your own damn fireball. Use a stronger fireball, like one with 2 or more hits. Use reflect moves (though that might only be Rose). Dodge the fireball. Roll past it with Abel. Use hyper-armor to approach and attack. Use SA to tank the hits for ultra-meter.
bet you didn't know that did ya? 😆 😂 🤣
~Sado
P.S. cut the shit out about tourny level players. i play at tourny's all the time. not international ones (spending all that money to play abroad is lame tbh) but i play with some of the best the place i live has to offer.
Originally posted by Sado22
P.S. cut the shit out about tourny level players. i play at tourny's all the time. not international ones (spending all that money to play abroad is lame tbh) but i play with some of the best the place i live has to offer.
What's there names? Where's the tournies at?
Please give me the info so I can see if your just pulling this out of yourself or if your being legit here, because with everything you've been posting, I find it very hard to believe your credibility.
I've never come across anyone who plays tournaments legitimately that will call Sagat Tiger Shots cheap/broken, nor will they talk about how supposedly broken Seth is, then all of a sudden refute saying he's beatable (which when you put the two together, makes absolutely no sense). That's running in complete circles here.
Seriously, alot of what your saying isn't making any sense, and jumping in early to stuff Tiger Uppercuts against Sagat can work, however one would know that this is also very dangerous for the person stuffing the Tiger Uppercut, because due to Sagat's height, he will in fact recover before the person jumping in does, and can retaliate before they do. Making it good, but also very risky, and in SF:IV if you screw up, and suffer a trade off...that's a guarantee Ultra in Sagat's part if he's got the burning meter for it.
I've never come across anyone who plays tournaments legitimately that will call Sagat Tiger Shots cheap/broken, nor will they talk about how supposedly broken Seth is, then all of a sudden refute saying he's beatable (which when you put the two together, makes absolutely no sense). That's running in complete circles here.
Seriously, alot of what your saying isn't making any sense, and jumping in early to stuff Tiger Uppercuts against Sagat can work, however one would know that this is also very dangerous for the person stuffing the Tiger Uppercut, because due to Sagat's height, he will in fact recover before the person jumping in does, and can retaliate before they do.
~Sado
Originally posted by NemeBro
I was joking, dick. estahuh
Sorry. 😮 Just trying to help.
Sado: Jump-kick over the tiger shot and trying to stuff the upper? Ehhhh, really risky and not worth it. Way too easy for a smart Sagat to stuff you, and as Justy said, it gives him a setup to the Destroyer.
The definition of broken, is a character who has vastly higher priority, higher damage, or some overwhelming advantage over the other characters in a game. And the AI having holes does not count. I'm talking about human players. Do you think you could actually beat a compedent HUMAN player using any of those 3? Igniz can take 80% of your life with the brutal god project, Magaki's projectiles are invisible, and Rugal has unblockable dashes and a 12 shot Kaiser Wave Super.
And you think shooting projectiles from a corner is cheap? Wow you suck. That's a fast way to die against a good player. Example: Balrog. I can just EX dash straight at you and send you flying. Or Abel. I can roll past your move and tornado throw you, or worse, use Soulless. It's not cheap.
Rugal is a cheap bastard, because he has a 3 shot regular fireball, and an unblockable dash grab when he's a boss that sets up to his other moves. And that's not even the worst of his moves, like the gravity ball that's as tall as his sprite.
Seth takes damage like a *****, and he misses once, even just once, he's going to lose large amounts of life. Not to mention his damage has been deliberately nerfed to make him balanced.
Cred? Please. YOU HAVE NO CREDIBILITY. You are obviously a scrub player at SF. We can tell that by the way you talk about the game and claim things are cheap or OP. Scrubs say moves are cheap. Real players adapt and learn to play better.
Originally posted by Sado22
my credibility is questioned because i said sagat is cheap?
hysterical
that's an all time new low now, boys.
the tourny's in middle east. and we were all either Ps2 people or arcade people. everyone's graduated now so i don't know about their Xbox360 names or whatever because i don't own one.~Sado
I smell garbage here, firstly everything you say has zero to little credibility, and you don't want to give out names, because quite frankly. Your just lying about your "supposed" tournament experience. PS2 doesn't have Street Fighter IV I'm afraid, and serious, you can't remember their 360 names...when you said yourself that you play at tournies with all the best your "place" has to offer.
How does one play with these people...and you simply forget these subtle things? Wow, seriously, quit lying already.
In fact, if you say your as experienced as you say are, how about we get on Mame, or GGPO then? Play me personally a few rounds. Also, Mame and GGPO can be easily accessed and downloaded to play, would you care to do that? Considering we can't play SF:IV (since you now magically don't have access to it, however someone who hasn't played it for sometime with your above statements certainly talks quite a bit about the game) however we can play previous SF games on it. However I'm sure you'll make some excuse into not doing so anyhow.
Originally posted by Sado22
dude, follow your own argument please. i said Seth is broken. you show up and said he was beatable if you get the pattern fixed. don't put words in my mouth. YOU were the one whose going on and on about how he's beatable but said nothing about his brokenness.
and sagat's tiger spam is cheap. same as standing in the corner and spitting out hadoukens or sonicbooms etc. its cheap. am i sayng i can't handle it? tell me where i said that? while you're at it, go to the original post and see what i said. i said sagat is overpowered AND that he's cheap. the tiger spam i mentioned was in relation to the cheapness, not the overpoweredness.
dah.do i have to defend my tactics against you people now?
seriously, stop taking yourself too seriously man. even if (big if) you're tourny level players, you're no better than anyone else here.~Sado
How is Seth broken? Please, give in-depth explanations on why you deem Seth broken?
Firstly, Seth isn't broken at all, because he's got good moves, however they aren't even full proof, they don't have so much priority that characters are completely negated from being able to retaliate against him.
Secondly, he takes hits like a complete pansy in the game of SF:IV. Let me equate this to you Sado, since you still haven't grasped this yet...these are large reasons why Seth is not Broken.
Reason #1 : Seth has 700 Life...this is the absolute worse lifebar in the entire game, even more so then Gouki at 850 stamina. This means that Seth takes 60% more damage then Zangief, 33% more damage then Ryu and 13% more damage then Gouki. Crappy Lifebar for Seth means, you get touched and you die.
Reason #2 : Seth has the worse stun bar in the entire game at 750, which means that out of all the characters, Seth gets stunned the easiest. This means, not only do you also get hurt the worse when you get hit, but your also the most likely to be stunned when struck as well. Put the two together and see how this is somehow "broken".
Reason #3 : Out of the majority of the characters, Seth is very slow in mobility, this means, that he simply cannot move well in contrast to most of the characters, which also becomes a liability.
Reason #4 : Seth's size stature is near that of Sagat, this means that he's a huge target for opponents, which also is not a good thing, this makes you easier to get hit on, and cross ups can be closed eyed done on you because of this.
Reason #5 : Seth's specials are all great, however his "Sonic Boom" doesn't even behave like Guile's sonic boom, but more like regular projectiles, and not only that, it takes him longer to recover from an Ex-Sonic Boom. If you contend against the Ex-Sonic Boom with your own projectile, you can almost usually block the second one coming in. Seth has SPD which is great hands down. He's got Ryu's Shoryuken which is awesome, however absolutely no ShoryukenxxFadc options, which still means Ryu/Gouki/Ken/Sagat Uppercuts>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Seth's Shoryuken.
So if we just took those Five Reasons into thought here, please then explain to me where you are somehow concluding that he's "broken"? Considering with my explanations, where are you deriving he's somehow overpowered? Seriously, where? Are you just going to spam another troll comment again? Or this time am I going to somehow get a legitimate answer, however it should be obvious what the answer is already.
Seth is not broken, nor is he overpowered, the fact of the matter is simple, other characters like Sagat, Ryu, Gouki, Rufus, etc, etc are overall much better characters then Seth. In fact, listen to players whom are actually using Seth against other high level players like Sabin, they will flat out tell you Seth is a live or die character. Ryu as a character overall has way more efficient setups, and more deadlier options then Seth in the game of Street Fighter IV, and "if" Seth was broken, how is it that Ryu has better options then a broken character, in fact, shouldn't it be that Seth is better then Ryu?
Now you see how you sound here. For someone who "supposedly" had Tournament Experience, you sure don't know anything about the game of Street Fighter IV nor it's characters.
Also, Sagat shooting Tiger Shots is not "cheap", my goodness, Sagat has been using Tiger Shots since he debuted in Champion Edition. That's been his Tools since Day #1, good players have found ways to get around it, and have punished Sagat accordingly, just watch this video of Kuni (Zangief) vs Valle (O. Sagat) and btw, ST O. Sagat's Tiger Shots>>>>>>>>>>SF:IV Sagat Tiger Shots mind you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MseoSZO7hAY
That's what good players do here, this is only one such example, however this goes to show that Tiger Shots can be overcome and only very good Sagat players know how to utilize Tiger Shots well. I'm not trying to downgrade Valle's abilities either, because he's an absolute monster, however when Gief gets in and does everything right, Sagat has alot of trouble keeping him out, especially if Gief scores a knock down.
In the game of Street Fighter IV, they are strong, but they are nothing like the SFII days, and they are used by characters to force opponents to come to you so they can punish you. Sagat's main strength is to zone you out, punish you with AA and keep you out, and yes, not everyone is made to rush down mind you. The Muay Thai Fighter is not built to be a footsie character like Ryu, hell if Sagat didn't have his Tiger Shots and it came down to a footsie game, he would get absolutely murdered by Ryu.
It's not cheap at all, and really, you just need to learn how to get around fireballs, that's where your biggest flaw is. You complain about something being cheap, however it's been proven since the beginning of SFII that their are ways around the Tiger Shots, and it's up to the player to learn and adapt to that, and if you don't, who's fault do you really think it is?
Certainly not the Sagat player, who's playing to his character's main strength. Honestly, Up your game up before you say so otherwise.
one of my favorite matches..
I do. 😄 wave For the record, Sagat's footsie game was much stronger in CVS2. His low kick was beastly there. Granted, he was still slow, but the sheer range gave him a definite edge. Hell, his upper did 5 hits I believe in that game.
Fireballs are good, but they're not the endgame of SF. Maybe in games like MvC or MvC2, where you have the 4 god tiers and everyone has easy spam shots, but not SF or KOF. Save for the SNK boss syndrome guys. Never seen any other kind of guy with screen filling supers, OHKOs, or no low sprite animation. That last one was a serious ***** and IMO, one of the hardest things to counter. How do you block sweep and low attacks when the boss doesn't duck? 😬
Lastly, Seth's AI appears broken to you, Sado, because the AI is a cheating bastard. And it spams the teleport. This is also it's weakness. It's very easy to catch the AI with focus attacks and spinning attacks. He also spams his shoryuken too much. Hell, TVtropes.org points out that the AI has a flaw in it that makes it unable to counter the spinning lariat.
Found it. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SNKBoss
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# Street Fighter IV gives us Seth, the half-naked man-cyborg Final Boss. He seems like a pushover during Round 1, but when you beat him once he says "I Let You Win", and a much more evil remix of the previous BGM starts playing. Watch now as you see him teleport with incredible accuracy and perform the EXACT move that counters your strategy. Still, there are ways to get around Seth's now-omniscient AI. It's best to use high-priority attacks against him and bait his wakeup attacks.
* And when you finally get to play as him, he takes twice the normal amount of damage! Yes, his defense is the lowest in the game next to Akuma. Skilled Seth players, however, are able to work around this setback and still manage to juggle and combo their opponents senseless, even if it's for pathetically not-massive damage.
* Seth has one saving grace... a single, simple kryptonite move that makes it possible to walk all over him on the hardest difficulty: Zangief's Spinning Lariat. Its high damage and priority, coupled with Zangy being invulnerable while spinning, means that Seth will be repeatedly teleporting straight into your fists. As long as you aren't dumb enough to walk up right next to him while he's on the ground (he'll ALWAYS grab you with a piledriver on getup), you can literally finish him off using one button. Indeed, a one-button Spinning Clothesline is part of the default controller setup. (If you aren't big, scarred, and Russian, though, kiss your tushie goodbye.)
* Actually, rapid usage of Zangief's Spinning Lariat works on all AI opponents, even on Hardest difficulty, due to a glitch in said AI which makes it unable to see the Lariats coming.
* Although I haven't tested it extensively, I was able to get similar results and pull off a near perfect match with El Fuerte's Fahita Buster. Seth's AI doesn't seem to be very good at handling the move, so he does very little to defend against it if you nail him as soon as he gets up from the last one.
I smell garbage here, firstly everything you say has zero to little credibility, and you don't want to give out names, because quite frankly. Your just lying about your "supposed" tournament experience.
PS2 doesn't have Street Fighter IV I'm afraid
and serious, you can't remember their 360 names...when you said yourself that you play at tournies with all the best your "place" has to offer.
How does one play with these people...and you simply forget these subtle things? Wow, seriously, quit lying already.
In fact, if you say your as experienced as you say are, how about we get on Mame, or GGPO then? Play me personally a few rounds. Also, Mame and GGPO can be easily accessed and downloaded to play, would you care to do that? Considering we can't play SF:IV (since you now magically don't have access to it, however someone who hasn't played it for sometime with your above statements certainly talks quite a bit about the game) however we can play previous SF games on it. However I'm sure you'll make some excuse into not doing so anyhow.
~Sado
Originally posted by NemeBro
Lariat is OPed as far as fighting the AI is concerned.
its so meaty that it shuts down ALOT of moves.. even ultras get stuffed by it.. you have to know which moves go through it (I think mainly lows, and moves that have decent invuln on startup).. but I remember having one match with my friend on live and he just spammed lariat for shits n giggles.. n I was testing out what was beating it and such.. and honestly it limited my options quite a bit, as far as I recall
Originally posted by Sado22
or you're too thick to understand simple english when someone says they play PS2 and arcades. mostly at arcades which i haven't done in a long time.
Your still lying out of your head here, again, you remove yourself from answering my questions, you don't know anything about the game of SF:IV to even make any open in-depth discussions, all you talk about is your basic knowledge that I'm 100% sure you mostly just took from the net or from other's words, again, your lack of knowledge for SF:IV is evident.
Arcades you say? Then by playing the arcades, one would have understood that nobody was "broken". Again, tell me again, how does someone who claims to know SF well make such accusations? Oh right, your just lying.
Originally posted by Sado22
yes....glad you noticed
One who doesn't even have access to consoles and simply plays against a CPU Seth and cries "broken"...no wonder you lack the knowledge for his character.
Originally posted by Sado22
heard of something called arcades?
Give me the locations, considering I know where most Major Tournies happen across the world and even if I do not, I can find out anyhow, so either post up or sit down and stop spewing garbage lies.
Originally posted by Sado22
what? 😂
so i have to chat them up as well. dude, you're giving way too much info about yourself there. i played PS2 with them as early as jan this year. i haven't been going to arcades that much now because its become too expensive where i live (2 dollars+ a game) and that culture has pretty much died after the Xbox360 came around here...a console i dont have and don't plan on buying.
as for SF4, i played it a for some time in the arcades, at a friends place, beat it with several times, hated it and never bothered with it again.
So basically...you were playing casually, which is what I've been pointing to the entire time. Seriously, stop acting like you are some tournament player then, nobody who's playing tournament level is not playing it multiple times a week, if not almost every day if your active.
Again, read your above comments...basically your saying "I don't play alot, I don't have it on console, I rarely played it because I don't want to pay, and I never really bothered with it." Yet you spewed out "I play a tournies all the time"....obviously you don't 🙄
Originally posted by Sado22
Basically saying you never played Street Fighter IV enough to even know what your talking about, and don't know enough about the game besides a few basic beginning stuff. Yet I throw on a front face to make myself look better then I really am in this game.
Wow, this is ridiculous, way to completely derail the entire statement I made, instead of talking about SF:IV all you talk about is how you don't like consoles...seriously, if you don't even have or like SF:IV then why in the world are you even sitting here posting up your garbage?
Honestly, get on Mame, or GGPO please (I can provide you links to get them btw), I just want to see if your at least halfway decent, again anybody can act "big" behind a screen name, however as much as I despise online play, I'm willing to get on so we can get a few rounds going.
Again, let's see if your the tournie player you claim, because obviously for someone to talk so much about Street Fighter, and claim they "know their stuff" you shouldn't decline the offer anyhow.
Let's just hope your not like that one smoothie who called me out not too long ago, only to find out that my little 9 yr old cousin could stomp him in SF. So seriously, knock it off now, I don't want to have to talk to you on here anymore if you don't even have Street Fighter IV accessible to you.
Lastly, to remove myself from Sado's depressing attempts to try and give face to his lying ways, yes, Lariat is very good if you don't know how to go up against it.
I had a tough time during 08 when I first went up against Lariat, however you found out subtle things like...don't Hadouken when Gief is slightly close to mid-screen with bar, s.fk is your friend in stopping his advances, Ex-Hadouken's are your friend, ShoryukenxxFadc is a must, and footsie games are a must learn if you plan to play Ryu against him. However, I don't mind Lariat the way it is actually, since it only just makes Gief a contender.