ONCE AND FOR ALL: Superman vs Goku
Ok, we've waited long enough. Now this is going to be the definitive Supes vs Goku thread. Ok, here are the stipulations for the match.
1. Goku thinks Superman destroyed the Earth and all of his other friends and allies.
2. Superman thinks Goku destroyed the Earth including Lois, Perry, Jimmy and all of his other friends and family.
Both are willing to kill
Fight takes place on a deserted planet Earth, Mega-Bloodlust is on!
Lets settle this!
I copied this from the Goku vs. Supes thread further down, this guy made some excellent points.
People weaker and slower then Goku have showen to be able to do normal things at super speed.
That throws out the claim that they can't be fast while talking. (someone said cell had enough time to say something before goku release his warp kamehameha wave on him)
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Some people say that Goku takes hours to fly accross planets.
These people never post a scan of this. Goku is now far stronger/faster then the ginu force. This is before he reach the first SuperSaiyan level
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Some people say supes is faster
Supes has never been able to instantly get to top speed like the Z fighter do. Even at his top speed his effect on the enviroment isnt much diffrent from denda (who is one of the weakest namics)
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Some people say Goku could not stand up to the power of a nuke.
This explosion from Piccol is far more powerful then then a nuke (the entire city was either blown away or vaporised) - This was way back in Dragon ball (not part of z).
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Some people say Goku needs alot of time to transform or powerup a attack
Here is Goku transforming to SSJ3 before Superbuu can attack(He can always powerup even more if he has too)
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Here is Goku doing a Kamehameha to counter a attack from Napa, who was right in his face when releasing his attack.
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Goku has can also powerup while fighting he does not have to sit still.
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Supers looses heaps of power when he is hit by powerful attacks
Wonderwoman attacks is a weak compared to Goku and Supes. She manage to weaken Supes enought so he could rescue his friends quickly. Can you imagine Goku hits. He could output solor system attack that would do a tremedies amout of damage.
These are the pics that I saw Wonderwoman weakening Supes.
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Supes has never showen to be as powerful as Goku
He could barly vaporise a bunch of weak doomsday clones that even Batman could kill.
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Here is Supes saying he couldn't vaporise them again.
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Some people say Supes can't travel fast in earth atmosphere because would cause too much destruction.
Supes himself said he could move while supressing sonic booms.
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Here he is moving really fast without any atmospheric chaos
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The reason why goku could take hits from Supes.
Master Roshi could pulverise the moon. (powerlevel 139)
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Now Piccol did the same thing. (powerlevel 322) (Kame made another moon just in case you where wondering how could 2 moons be destroyed)
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But Piccol blast didnt do anything to Radiz (powerlevel 1200)
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Goku (powerlevel 8000) stop Nappa blast (powerlevel 5000).. just strug it off.
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Now anyone with a brain can see the ammount of damage someone like Nappa could cause... I let you figure out how much damage Goku could do when fighting frezia, with a powerlevel of over 11 million. Its hard to even think about how much energy Goku can produce at the end of dbz.
So can superman cause such damage? He can sure take that kind of damage but can he dish it out?
Superman is tough, durable and extremely smart.. but he could never hurt Goku (once powerup). Goku has proven he can take these hits as if they where nothing. If Supes can't dish it out hows he supose to beat Goku?
Some people say that these blast aren't enough to hurt Supes because the dont destroy the planet.
All the dragon ball fighters can concentrate their energy down to a single point
Here is Piccol and Goku doing this, in a attemp to beat radiz.
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Here is Vegeta concentrating his attack down to a small point
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This is the only reason why the planet does not get destroyed. Wouldn't be very smart of them to destroy the planet that they are on.
Supes holds a mini Black hole
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Superspeed is basically as good as Instant Transmission
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IMO Supes could just drain all of the oxygen from the Battle field and collapse goku's lungs
With all do respect, Goku has some good feats but I could pull out a ton of bad one, ex getting burned by lava.
Supes has been around so long, he has so many feats that put him above Goku, it's not even funny. A few low showings doesn't change that. IMO Goku could get speedblitzed before he can think. Supes is faster than thought
Originally posted by superkronick92What about the points I stole from some dude?
With all do respect, Goku has some good feats but I could pull out a ton of bad one, ex getting burned by lava.Supes has been around so long, he has so many feats that put him above Goku, it's not even funny. A few low showings doesn't change that. IMO Goku could get speedblitzed before he can think. Supes is faster than thought
The Supes vs Wonder Woman was low showing, besides, one could argue that Wonder Woman could hang with some DBZ character. The showings that you did show werent from Superman comics. They were from a Wonder Woman One-Shot and Superman/Batman, I don't mean to seem ignorant but during crossovers such as those, they weaken Supes to make other characters look better, hence The doomsday clone feat. In DBZ though the people act like the attacks are powerful, they usually don't appear to do nearly enough damage to the environment as a "planet busting" attacks should. The series was inconsistent like that, Character get hurt when the rocks fly at them when someone is powering up.
He raises some good points but DBZ is to inconsistent and Supes has to many options of ending the fight easily. Goku needs to consentrate to do any of his strong attacks, I doubt a bloodlusted Supes would just sit their and gasp at how "powerful" Goku is. Even if he did have time, I doubt the attacks could injure him terribly, Supes has taken a crapload more punishment then Goku can ever hope to dish out
Originally posted by superkronick92The main reason why Supes even wins is cause of speedblitz, I agree, tho he did show Goku is more durable than most people thought.
He raises some good points but DBZ is to inconsistent and Supes has to many options of ending the fight easily. Goku needs to consentrate to do any of his strong attacks, I doubt a bloodlusted Supes would just sit their and gasp at how "powerful" Goku is. Even if he did have time, I doubt the attacks could injure him terribly, Supes has taken a crapload more punishment then Goku can ever hope to dish out
Well rereading the manga I've realized Gokou is a lot faster than I previously thought but He's still not shown the speed to keep up with what Superman could do specially if he's bloodlusted. As for Gotenks at ssj saying he took a nap after going around the world a few times, though there was like 9 lines, he never actually took a nap it was just him being cocky since as soon as it showed him land Piccolo comes up. So he went around the world like 9 times in 29 minutes. And Gohan was fast enough to fly at base levels from his house to school in like five minutes when it takes a jet five hours to do it. SSJ3 Gokou is faster than both but it's unknown by how much. There's also the durability factor that Gokou can't take punches from people that aren't as physically strong as him and his known strength pales into comparison to Superman so he wouldn't be able to take the punches. The speed and strength factor is to great with Superman in character but making him bloodlusted is to much since he wouldn't lower himself to Gokou's level.
Originally posted by superkronick92
With all do respect, Goku has some good feats but I could pull out a ton of bad one, ex getting burned by lava.Supes has been around so long, he has so many feats that put him above Goku, it's not even funny. A few low showings doesn't change that. IMO Goku could get speedblitzed before he can think. Supes is faster than thought
Lava burn is only in anime as comic relief, before Supersaiyan, also, the snake lady give him a bath of lava, another filler and Goku feel nothing.
Goku is way faster than you all think, it has a history,he start at faster than bullet speed as a kid, he is capable to fight Superman and his reflexes are better than Sups, Goku use Ki to fly so that would explain that he fly low in compare, but Goku not have feats of flying since Namek, because he can port.
The after images is a feat of speed.
Speed to create images by vibrating and move in many places to confuse
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Well rereading the manga I've realized Gokou is a lot faster than I previously thought but He's still not shown the speed to keep up with what Superman could do specially if he's bloodlusted. As for Gotenks at ssj saying he took a nap after going around the world a few times, though there was like 9 lines, he never actually took a nap it was just him being cocky since as soon as it showed him land Piccolo comes up. So he went around the world like 9 times in 29 minutes. And Gohan was fast enough to fly at base levels from his house to school in like five minutes when it takes a jet five hours to do it. SSJ3 Gokou is faster than both but it's unknown by how much. There's also the durability factor that Gokou can't take punches from people that aren't as physically strong as him and his known strength pales into comparison to Superman so he wouldn't be able to take the punches. The speed and strength factor is to great with Superman in character but making him bloodlusted is to much since he wouldn't lower himself to Gokou's level.
can you prove that he never took a nap?
Besides Gotenks say "Few dozens times" plural Dozens as he didn´t counted, besides, Trunks and Gotenks train again before battle Buu, and Reach SSJ3, they get more speed as they power up.
Vegeta has scouter here so he notice Goku raising his power, avoisding Nappa, without being notice.
Goku blast are more powerful than Roshi and Piccolo, and all of they concentrade in small points, as they are protecting the planet, even Vegeta whit the i don´t care aptitute is doing it, G plex, the guy with the scans is proving that.
The small blast ball from a supersaiyan 3 have power as than the one the Roshi and Piccolo use the moon, Here Cell who is more durable than Freeza, is resisting it, but the SSJ 3 is more powerful later in the Buu Saga.
