Geez, I can't even read this thread with all the huge scans everywhere. Link your images, people.
(BTW I've read the entire manga multiple times so posting them is unnecessary anyway)
Superman can do everything at super speed. Just recently he searched every building and area in a 200 - mile radius in a matter of seconds. By comparison, Super Buu with Gohan absorbed (who was much stronger than Goku) took several minutes just to fly from one position on the earth to another.
As for Krillin and Roshi - So what? They did a few moves in a second. Like I said, DBZ characters can move faster than people can see for short bursts. None of that compares to Superman's speed at all.
Oh, and comparing Picollo's eye beams to Superman's heat vision because they look similar is just stupid. I guess since the model space shuttle in my room looks like a real space shuttle, it can achieve escape velocity, right? 🙄
Superman's heat vision can power engines strong enough to move a planet 16 times the size of earth, drill through white dwarf stars, envelop the entire earth from the sun, is hotter than scientists in the DCU can measure (when they can easily measure the core of the sun), can drill through Kryptonian battleships that fly through stars unharmed, etc.
Originally posted by Noob1
he can only fly fast in space because he has huge distances to build up speed..
This is why the thread continues. It's clear the people arguing against superman know nothing about him. And they don't read the thread either.
Originally posted by Noob1Sham distinction fallacy.
You greatest flaw is that us assume that fly/running speed is the same as fighting speed... is the fastest sprinter in the world going to be the best light weight UFC fighter? No.
And its clear that the people arguing against him don't even know logic either.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Geez, I can't even read this thread with all the huge scans everywhere. Link your images, people.(BTW I've read the entire manga multiple times so posting them is unnecessary anyway)
Superman can do everything at super speed. Just recently he searched every building and area in a 200 - mile radius in a matter of seconds. By comparison, Super Buu with Gohan absorbed (who was much stronger than Goku) took several minutes just to fly from one position on the earth to another.
As for Krillin and Roshi - So what? They did a few moves in a second. Like I said, DBZ characters can move faster than people can see for short bursts. None of that compares to Superman's speed at all.
Oh, and comparing Picollo's eye beams to Superman's heat vision because they look similar is just stupid. I guess since the model space shuttle in my room looks like a real space shuttle, it can achieve escape velocity, right? 🙄
Superman's heat vision can power engines strong enough to move a planet 16 times the size of earth, drill through white dwarf stars, envelop the entire earth from the sun, is hotter than scientists in the DCU can measure (when they can easily measure the core of the sun), can drill through Kryptonian battleships that fly through stars unharmed, etc.
Originally posted by superkronick92
Piccolo was right in front of him, he could see his eyes flashing, Supes eyes don't have to flash that much, he could probably do it from a distance.
Edit : As far as I see, Endless Mike wants too make Goku seem as fast as a normal human.. he claims to have read the Manga, yet he doesn't seem to know what happen in it... You need to back up your claims of Goku being slow instead of posting a comment and hoping that everyone will just agree without checking up on you.
Edit2: here is goku moving so fast he couldnt be seen by a crowed.. that throws out endless mike arguement..
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OH yea about supes hit vision.. we can calculate its heat just as we do the sun.. unless it vaporises everything in the universe... that didnt happen so I think Endless has got caught up in the "standard scientific" measuring of the heat vision tempature compared to a calculation which isn't standard.
Originally posted by Erik-LensherrI never said that I base the strength of the blasts on the ones that make small craters. I said that the ones that do only make small craters still hurt them. Nobody has ever survived a supposedly planet destroying blast except Cell and that was because he can regen. All the other blasts that were said to be that powerful were blocked by another blasts. And Gokou is hurt by blasts that aren't planet destroying.
The most ridiculous counter arguments up until now :*Basing the strength of the blasts upon the fact that they make small craters and then saying that they hurt SSj3 Goku
*Disregarding what Roshi and Krillin did in a second based on the fact that it happened only once .
*Saying that Gotenks flew for 29 minutes
And more
I could point out easily what's wrong with these but any person with mid-knowledge about DB would already know.
Krillen vs Roshi as opposed to the other hundreds of times people actually see them fighting and people see the whole rest of the battle...Yea lets take a one time thing and make it the bases for everything.
Well lets see...Piccolo says Gotenks has a minute left..Gotenks is shown to fly around the world before he lands and Piccolo shows up. Fusion only lasts 30 minutes. Yea saying it took him 29 minutes to fly around the world even 24 times or maybe even 48 would still make him slower than light. And don't bring up him saying he napped because one he is a big bragger and two it never shows him nap before Piccolo appears. And it still takes him a minute to fly from Piccolo to Buu's house.
Originally posted by Kento
I never said that I base the strength of the blasts on the ones that make small craters. I said that the ones that do only make small craters still hurt them. Nobody has ever survived a supposedly planet destroying blast except Cell and that was because he can regen. All the other blasts that were said to be that powerful were blocked by another blasts. And Gokou is hurt by blasts that aren't planet destroying.Krillen vs Roshi as opposed to the other hundreds of times people actually see them fighting and people see the whole rest of the battle...Yea lets take a one time thing and make it the bases for everything.
Well lets see...Piccolo says Gotenks has a minute left..Gotenks is shown to fly around the world before he lands and Piccolo shows up. Fusion only lasts 30 minutes. Yea saying it took him 29 minutes to fly around the world even 24 times or maybe even 48 would still make him slower than light. And don't bring up him saying he napped because one he is a big bragger and two it never shows him nap before Piccolo appears. And it still takes him a minute to fly from Piccolo to Buu's house.
So you say he never took the nap because we never saw it.. Ok no one killed krilling in dragon ball because we never saw it.... thats a bs arguement.. and you expect piccol to be able to tell 30 min exactly?
Goku as a kid could dodge bullets. Bullets move faster then sound. Speed of sound at sea level = 340.29 m/s.
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So at this point he could move faster then 340m/s (At this point Goku has showen that he can not run at this speed only move over short distances at this speed) As showen when he ran 100m in 8.5 seconds.
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This is when he met Krillin. At the first tournament Krillin could follow Goku. At the second Krillin couldn't see him move so he had to be at lease 60x faster. (acutally Goku was jumping back and forward so fast that he went invisable so he would be much more then 60x faster)
Now tein was at one of those one and he could follow Goku movements. At the next tournament Goku move so fast that tein couldn't see him. So again he must be around 60x faster. 340x60x60 = 1224000m/s which is around 0.4% of the speed of light.
Now Goku had a powerlevel of 416. When he got back from training he had a powerlevel of 8000. So hes 19.23x faster. (acutally hes 90x faster because he cross snakeway 90 times faster then he orignally did - took 6 months one way 2 days the other (30*6)/2=90)
Next he gets to 180000. making him 36x faster on that. (Where he could be much quicker) So Goku when he gets to namic is ((1224000*19.23*36=847350720)/299792458 = 2.83) 2.83x the speed of light (absolute minimum) This lines up perfectly with burter who claim he was faster then light. (Where he has to be much faster then 2.83x the speed of light for burter not to see him, but as you can see all the numbers have been pulled down to their absolute lowest values that can not be disputed)
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I would like to point out that he could easily do 20x Kaioken when he got to namic, and even higher so if he has too. So if Goku could turn ssj1 when he got to namic he would be over 100x faster then light. You can just imagine how fast he would be when he is fighting cell or even buu at ssj3.
Edit: rember he has showen he can only move at the speed over short distances...
Geez, I can't even read this thread with all the huge scans everywhere. Link your images, people.
(BTW I've read the entire manga multiple times so posting them is unnecessary anyway)
What I say, you try to change your opinion in favour of superman, some huge scans can prove you wrong.
Superman can do everything at super speed. Just recently he searched every building and area in a 200 - mile radius in a matter of seconds. By comparison, Super Buu with Gohan absorbed (who was much stronger than Goku) took several minutes just to fly from one position on the earth to another.
As for Krillin and Roshi - So what? They did a few moves in a second. Like I said, DBZ characters can move faster than people can see for short bursts. None of that compares to Superman's speed at all.
Oh, and comparing Picollo's eye beams to Superman's heat vision because they look similar is just stupid. I guess since the model space shuttle in my room looks like a real space shuttle, it can achieve escape velocity, right?
Superman's heat vision can power engines strong enough to move a planet 16 times the size of earth, drill through white dwarf stars, envelop the entire earth from the sun, is hotter than scientists in the DCU can measure (when they can easily measure the core of the sun), can drill through Kryptonian battleships that fly through stars unharmed, etc.
Dragonball minors characters, who are millions of times inferior to Goku disintegrate.
This is why the thread continues. It's clear the people arguing against superman know nothing about him. And they don't read the thread either.
And its clear that the people arguing against him don't even know logic either.
Originally posted by Noob1
So you say he never took the nap because we never saw it.. Ok no one killed krilling in dragon ball because we never saw it.... thats a bs arguement.. and you expect piccol to be able to tell 30 min exactly?Goku as a kid could dodge bullets. Bullets move faster then sound. Speed of sound at sea level = 340.29 m/s.
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So at this point he could move faster then 340m/s (At this point Goku has showen that he can not run at this speed only move over short distances at this speed) As showen when he ran 100m in 8.5 seconds.
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This is when he met Krillin. At the first tournament Krillin could follow Goku. At the second Krillin couldn't see him move so he had to be at lease 60x faster. (acutally Goku was jumping back and forward so fast that he went invisable so he would be much more then 60x faster)
Now tein was at one of those one and he could follow Goku movements. At the next tournament Goku move so fast that tein couldn't see him. So again he must be around 60x faster. 340x60x60 = 1224000m/s which is around 0.4% of the speed of light.
Now Goku had a powerlevel of 416. When he got back from training he had a powerlevel of 8000. So hes 19.23x faster. (acutally hes 90x faster because he cross snakeway 90 times faster then he orignally did - took 6 months one way 2 days the other (30*6)/2=90)
Next he gets to 180000. making him 36x faster on that. (Where he could be much quicker) So Goku when he gets to namic is ((1224000*19.23*36=847350720)/299792458 = 2.83) 2.83x the speed of light (absolute minimum) This lines up perfectly with burter who claim he was faster then light. (Where he has to be much faster then 2.83x the speed of light for burter not to see him, but as you can see all the numbers have been pulled down to their absolute lowest values that can not be disputed)
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I would like to point out that he could easily do 20x Kaioken when he got to namic, and even higher so if he has too. So if Goku could turn ssj1 when he got to namic he would be over 100x faster then light. You can just imagine how fast he would be when he is fighting cell or even buu at ssj3.
Edit: rember he has showen he can only move at the speed over short distances...
What the heck? Krillen was killed. The Dragon wished him back. Other say it. Krillen doesn't brag. Gotenks was full of himself and liked to make Piccolo's life miserable. As soon as it shows Gotenks land Piccolo appears, heck if he's also going to go around dozens of times then why the heck is only ten lines drawn around the Earth also? And so now you're going to take the word of somebody who is cocky and likes to make everything he does sound better than Piccolo who doesn't? Yea I'd believe Piccolo and even Gokou the two who don't brag and make themselves look better than . Gotenks is one of my favorite characters but he's worse than Vegeta when it comes to bragging about himself.
And none of those measurements of speed can be even proven. Suddenly he's sixty times faster just because somebody can't see him? Sure he's faster than sound but he's never been faster than light. Nothing has shown them be that fast at all. Even Gohan from the Buu Saga has proven he isn't faster than light in his base form and he is a lot more powerful and stronger than Gokou from Freeza Saga.
Originally posted by VvendetaWhen was that feat ever exaggerated? There was a scan of a fight being said it rocked the universe but it wasn't that fight. I could also bring up that Superman said he can knock the world off it's orbit or that Batman said he can spin a mountain on his finger. But I don't because he's never done it. Same with the supposedly Solar System destroying blasts that not even Buu could do yet Cell thinks he has the power and Buu > Cell.
And that you like exaggerate his feats, like Superman and Darkseid Rock a solar system, when in one of their fights, they destroy a little asteroid.Logically, Superman force field can be broken by powerful forces when the atacks are direct, Goku blast and power up punch can do that. Hell, check what Roshi did to the moon again.
And Z warriors punches can't do anything close to what their blasts can do and they are still hurt by them. They don't have great durability when it comes to brute force.
Originally posted by Kento
When was that feat ever exaggerated? There was a scan of a fight being said it rocked the universe but it wasn't that fight. I could also bring up that Superman said he can knock the world off it's orbit or that Batman said he can spin a mountain on his finger. But I don't because he's never done it. Same with the supposedly Solar System destroying blasts that not even Buu could do yet Cell thinks he has the power and Buu > Cell.And Z warriors punches can't do anything close to what their blasts can do and they are still hurt by them. They don't have great durability when it comes to brute force.
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When was that feat ever exaggerated? There was a scan of a fight being said it rocked the universe but it wasn't that fight.
Is called metaphor, like saying that the battle was ferocious, but there is not a scan when we see Superman and Darkseid “literally” rock a Solar System, basically, but there are battles of Superman and Darkseid when they destroy the environment around them in a little planetoid, that is more accurate with what the characters can do in a fight but you(superman fans) posted like this:
Supermans is so powerful his fight with darkseid rocked an entire star system, goku punches aren’t that strong and the force of his attack couldn’t do that either
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I could also bring up that Superman said he can knock the world off it's orbit or that Batman said he can spin a mountain on his finger. But I don't because he's never done it. Same with the supposedly Solar System destroying blasts that not even Buu could do yet Cell thinks he has the power and Buu > Cell.
And Z warriors punches can't do anything close to what their blasts can do and they are still hurt by them. They don't have great durability when it comes to brute force
