Originally posted by VvendetaThank you for admiting you know nothing current about superman. It's a very brave thing you do.
I know Superman to the point that I know Jimmy Olsen got powers again, like Precrisis, that Superman has being bitten by a creature and blead. But you don´t post that
And that you like exaggerate his feats, like Superman and Darkseid Rock a solar system, when in one of their fights, they destroy a little asteroid.
Originally posted by VvendetaYes, as I'm sure that the power to destroy the moon is greater than that which it takes to destroy a galaxy.
Logically, Superman force field can be broken by powerful forces when the atacks are direct, Goku blast and power up punch can do that. Hell, check what Roshi did to the moon again.
You know nothing about logic, so do not start off a sentence with the line "Logically".
You have proven my point about knowing nothing about superman or Logic. Please stop trying. You do not have the evidence or backing required to prove the supposition that Goku could beat superman.
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First off we can't measure the centre of the sun we have to calculate it.
second off you need to prove that it took several min and that he was trying to move his fastest...
We can't, but DCU scientists can (they have more advanced tech).
And he was moving his fastest because he was trying to kill Goku, he was really mad at him. "He must have teleported. I can sense him. No matter where he runs, I'll find him and kill him!" or something like that.
Originally posted by VvendetaI think you're talking about two different fights though. The one that destroyed a planetoid and that fight talked about are different I believe. Though that one didn't exactly rock the solar system either that's why it's call hyperbole.
Is called metaphor, like saying that the battle was ferocious, but there is not a scan when we see Superman and Darkseid “literally” rock a Solar System, basically, but there are battles of Superman and Darkseid when they destroy the environment around them in a little planetoid, that is more accurate with what the characters can do in a fight but you(superman fans) posted like this:In that case is just the same like rocket the solar system. I didn´t use the solar system claim, but If you accept that Cell can destroy the solar system, but you never saw it, I can accept that Superman and Darkseid rocked the solar Sistem, which I also never saw.
Tell me if you can say for sure who can damage Goku in the End of the manga besides Buu. If Freeza or Cell show themselves in the end in front of SSJ3, do you think that those punches will affect him? Goku fighting Vegeta in SSJ2 was holding back and suppress a whole SSJ level to not make Vegeta feel bad, Vegeta was mad of Goku because this. Goku resist disintegrating blast, Punches of superman are least than a beam, even Roshi maximum Kamehame ha has more force.
You want to say Superman's punches don't have the same kinda power as a blast. Well Cell and Gohan's Kamehameha battle with all Cell's power being put into it and half of Gohan's made shockwaves large enough to be felt who knows how far away since it only really shows one town shaking I believe and I think it was probably the one they were however far North or whatever Cell said from. A weaker Superman fighting Doomsday who was going all out was able to just punch and create shockwaves that were felt all the way to Gotham. Metropolis is suppose to be around Toronto or someplace like that I can't remember if it was Toronto or something else while Gotham is suppose to be around New Jersey. He's gotten a whole lot stronger since then.
Yea Cell nor Freeza are going to be able to hurt SSJ3 Gokou by punching them. But if Cell used a blast that could truly blow up a solar system he could. When Buu destroyed Earth no other part of the solar system was harmed yet Gokou couldn't stop the blast at all and had to run away to survive.
Originally posted by Kento
I think you're talking about two different fights though. The one that destroyed a planetoid and that fight talked about are different I believe. Though that one didn't exactly rock the solar system either that's why it's call hyperbole.You want to say Superman's punches don't have the same kinda power as a blast. Well Cell and Gohan's Kamehameha battle with all Cell's power being put into it and half of Gohan's made shockwaves large enough to be felt who knows how far away since it only really shows one town shaking I believe and I think it was probably the one they were however far North or whatever Cell said from. A weaker Superman fighting Doomsday who was going all out was able to just punch and create shockwaves that were felt all the way to Gotham. Metropolis is suppose to be around Toronto or someplace like that I can't remember if it was Toronto or something else while Gotham is suppose to be around New Jersey. He's gotten a whole lot stronger since then.
Yea Cell nor Freeza are going to be able to hurt SSJ3 Gokou by punching them. But if Cell used a blast that could truly blow up a solar system he could. When Buu destroyed Earth no other part of the solar system was harmed yet Gokou couldn't stop the blast at all and had to run away to survive.
People weaker and slower then Goku have showen to be able to do normal things at super speed.
That throws out the claim that they can't be fast while talking. (someone said cell had enough time to say something before Goku release his warp kamehameha wave on him)
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Some people say that Goku takes hours to fly accross planets.
These people never post a scan of this. Goku is now far stronger/faster then the ginu force. This is before he reach the first SuperSaiyan level.
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Some people say supes is faster
Supes has never been able to instantly get to top speed like the Z fighter do. Even at his top speed his effect on the enviroment isnt much diffrent from denda (who is one of the weakest namics)
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Some people say Goku could not stand up to the power of a nuke.
This explosion from Piccol is far more powerful then then a nuke (the entire city was either blown away or vaporised) - This was way back in Dragon ball (not part of z).
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Some people say Goku needs alot of time to transform or powerup a energy attack
Here is Goku transforming to SSJ3 before Superbuu can attack(He can always powerup even more if he has too)
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Here is Goku doing a Kamehameha to counter a attack from Napa, who was right in his face when releasing his attack.
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Goku has can also powerup while fighting he does not have to sit still.
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Supers looses heaps of power when he is hit by powerful attacks
Wonderwoman attacks is a weak compared to Goku and Supes. She manage to weaken Supes enought so he could rescue his friends quickly. Can you imagine Goku hits. He could output solor system attack that would do a tremedies amout of damage.
These are the pics that I saw Wonderwoman weakening Supes.
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Supes heat vision has never showen to be as powerful as Goku's energy attacks.
He could barly vaporise a bunch of weak doomsday clones that even Batman could kill.
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Here is Supes saying he couldn't vaporise them again.
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Some people say Supes can't travel fast in earth atmosphere because would cause too much destruction.
Supes himself said he could move while supressing sonic booms.
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Here he is moving really fast without any atmospheric chaos
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The reason why Goku could take hits from Supes.
Master Master Roshi could pulverise the moon. (powerlevel 139)
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But Piccol blast didnt do anything to Radiz (powerlevel 1200)
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Goku (powerlevel 8000) stopped Nappa blast (powerlevel 5000).. just strug it off.
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Now anyone with a brain can see the ammount of damage someone like Nappa could cause... I let you figure out how much damage Goku could do when fighting frezia, with a powerlevel of over 11 million. Its hard to even think about how much energy Goku can produce at the end of dbz.
So can superman cause such damage? He can sure take that kind of damage but can he dish it out?
Superman is tough, durable and extremely smart.. but he would never be able to harm Goku (once powerup). Goku has proven he can take these hits as if they where nothing. If Supes can't dish it out hows he supose to beat Goku?
Some people say that these blast aren't enough to hurt Supes because the don't destroy the planet.
All the dragon ball fighters can concentrate their energy down to a single point.
Here is Piccol and Goku doing this, in a attemp to beat radiz.
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Here is Vegeta concentrating his attack down to a small point
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This is the only reason why the planet does not get destroyed. Wouldn't be very smart of them to destroy the planet that they are on.
Goku Kamehameha his much stronger then Master Roshi Moon pulverising Kamehameha, he can concentrate all the energy down on Supes head eg.
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Here Is Gohan killing the cell jr who are stronger then Vegeta. (at that time) The same Vegeta that is millions of times stronger then Goku at the begining of dbz. The same Goku (at the begining of dbz) who could shake off Master Roshi Moon pulverising Kamehameha with ease.
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This proves that Gohan is capable of concentrating his energy in every blow.
Some people say Goku is slow.
Goku as a kid could dodge bullets. Bullets move faster then sound. Speed of sound at sea level = 340.29 m/s.
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So at this point he could move faster then 340m/s (At this point Goku has showen that he can not run at this speed only move over short distances at this speed) As showen when he ran 100m in 8.5 seconds.
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This is when he met Krillin. At the first tournament Krillin could follow Goku. At the second Krillin couldn't see him move so he had to be at lease 60x faster. (acutally Goku was jumping back and forward so fast that he went invisable so he would be much more then 60x faster)
Now tein was at one of those one and he could follow Goku movements. At the next tournament Goku move so fast that tein couldn't see him. So again he must be around 60x faster. 340x60x60 = 1224000m/s which is around 0.4% of the speed of light.
Now Goku had a powerlevel of 416. When he got back from training he had a powerlevel of 8000. So hes 19.23x faster. (acutally hes 90x faster because he cross snakeway 90 times faster then he orignally did - took 6 months one way 2 days the other (30*6)/2=90)
Next he gets to 180000. making him 36x faster on that. (Where he could be much quicker) So Goku when he gets to namic is ((1224000*19.23*36=847350720)/299792458 = 2.83) 2.83x the speed of light (absolute minimum) This lines up perfectly with burter who claim he was faster then light. (Where he has to be much faster then 2.83x the speed of light for burter not to see him, but as you can see all the numbers have been pulled down to their absolute lowest values that can not be disputed)
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I would like to point out that he could easily do 20x Kaioken when he got to namic, and even higher so if he has too. So if Goku could turn ssj1 when he got to namic he would be over 100x faster then light. You can just imagine how fast he would be when he is fighting cell or even buu at ssj3.
Originally posted by gokuvssupermanYou were already banned before Gplex, Socking is a bannable offense
Some people say Goku is slow.
Goku as a kid could dodge bullets. Bullets move faster then sound. Speed of sound at sea level = 340.29 m/s.
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So at this point he could move faster then 340m/s (At this point Goku has showen that he can not run at this speed only move over short distances at this speed) As showen when he ran 100m in 8.5 seconds.
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This is when he met Krillin. At the first tournament Krillin could follow Goku. At the second Krillin couldn't see him move so he had to be at lease 60x faster. (acutally Goku was jumping back and forward so fast that he went invisable so he would be much more then 60x faster)
Now tein was at one of those one and he could follow Goku movements. At the next tournament Goku move so fast that tein couldn't see him. So again he must be around 60x faster. 340x60x60 = 1224000m/s which is around 0.4% of the speed of light.
Now Goku had a powerlevel of 416. When he got back from training he had a powerlevel of 8000. So hes 19.23x faster. (acutally hes 90x faster because he cross snakeway 90 times faster then he orignally did - took 6 months one way 2 days the other (30*6)/2=90)
Next he gets to 180000. making him 36x faster on that. (Where he could be much quicker) So Goku when he gets to namic is ((1224000*19.23*36=847350720)/299792458 = 2.83) 2.83x the speed of light (absolute minimum) This lines up perfectly with burter who claim he was faster then light. (Where he has to be much faster then 2.83x the speed of light for burter not to see him, but as you can see all the numbers have been pulled down to their absolute lowest values that can not be disputed)
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I would like to point out that he could easily do 20x Kaioken when he got to namic, and even higher so if he has too. So if Goku could turn ssj1 when he got to namic he would be over 100x faster then light. You can just imagine how fast he would be when he is fighting cell or even buu at ssj3.
I knew you DBZ trolls were using IP maskers to sock! HA!
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I noticed the same "I'm posting from a FAQ" style to your posts, and the same way you place a break in between the h and the ttp in urls.
WHITEBEARD is phenomenol!. I already know that you're recruits that troll is pulling in from another board, probably Nartuoforums.
Creating accounts to get around bans is a violation of the rules!
Thank you for admiting you know nothing current about superman. It's a very brave thing you do.
Yes, as I'm sure that the power to destroy the moon is greater than that which it takes to destroy a galaxy.You know nothing about logic, so do not start off a sentence with the line "Logically".
You have proven my point about knowing nothing about superman or Logic. Please stop trying. You do not have the evidence or backing required to prove the supposition that Goku could beat superman.
We can't, but DCU scientists can (they have more advanced tech).And he was moving his fastest because he was trying to kill Goku, he was really mad at him. "He must have teleported. I can sense him. No matter where he runs, I'll find him and kill him!" or something like that.
You need to know the distance, and the time, is just a plot.
Both Superman and Goku have plots holes, Doomsday and Superman fighting in the city in front of everybody is an example, Goku is no inferior to Superman in Fighting speed, in fact, Goku have more impressive fighting speed scenes, that when is show in anime, we as viewers can see that Goku is fast enough to fight Superman comics.
Superman vs Imperiex probe
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9697881]Originally posted by Kento
[B]I think you're talking about two different fights though. The one that destroyed a planetoid and that fight talked about are different I believe. Though that one didn't exactly rock the solar system either that's why it's call hyperbole.You want to say Superman's punches don't have the same kinda power as a blast. Well Cell and Gohan's Kamehameha battle with all Cell's power being put into it and half of Gohan's made shockwaves large enough to be felt who knows how far away since it only really shows one town shaking I believe and I think it was probably the one they were however far North or whatever Cell said from. A weaker Superman fighting Doomsday who was going all out was able to just punch and create shockwaves that were felt all the way to Gotham. Metropolis is suppose to be around Toronto or someplace like that I can't remember if it was Toronto or something else while Gotham is suppose to be around New Jersey. He's gotten a whole lot stronger since then.
Yea Cell nor Freeza are going to be able to hurt SSJ3 Gokou by punching them. But if Cell used a blast that could truly blow up a solar system he could. When Buu destroyed Earth no other part of the solar system was harmed yet Gokou couldn't stop the blast at all and had to run away to survive.
I know they are 2 different battles, I am proving some exaggerations in the claims, you can see how “Mr. only Superman fans have logic” start his Superman respect thread, about Cell, his blast will disintegrate more than Roshi´s.
I want to say that Goku resisted this kind of Blast since he is a kid, So Superman Punches, will affect Him, as I recognize the strength of Superman, But resisting disintegration is greater than pure strength. Goku can fight Superman and resist his stronger punches, Goku will resist the Blast of Roshi,See my pict Goku resisting Freeza Blast in page 2. The Blast power have nothing to do with size of planets, or Solar systems, Goku new that the explosion of the blast of Buu will pulverize the planet, he have to escape, as he was thinking in the others too.
Originally posted by VvendetaAnd you still know jack shit about superman... You keep posting DBZ feats like they somehow outdo what superman has done... They don't.
Jimmy olsen got powers and Superman was bitten by a zombie and bleed, check the last months issues.
Originally posted by VvendetaYes yes Moon>Galaxy... I got your twisted DBZ logic. It's inaccurate, but I got it.
The power of disintegrate has nothing to do with the size, in DB a more powerful the character, the disintegration of his blast increase. We are discussing comics and manga logic. And that is Roshi maximum power feat, not Goku.
Originally posted by VvendetaYeah I get it, Earth-sized-planet>Moon>Galaxy
Goku disintegration power is highly compare to Roshi, you don´t like that so you say i don´t have logic, again, we are discussing comics and manga logics, you “Mr only superman fans have logic”.
I understand...
Originally posted by VvendetaYou haven't read anything current have you?
You need to know the distance, and the time, is just a plot.
Both Superman and Goku have plots holes, Doomsday and Superman fighting in the city in front of everybody is an example, Goku is no inferior to Superman in Fighting speed, in fact, Goku have more impressive fighting speed scenes, that when is show in anime, we as viewers can see that Goku is fast enough to fight Superman comics.
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Goku vs Butha and Jeeze
No you haven't .. probably found a solicit for the superman comic
Like I can tell you the plot for comics not released. and then I can claim I've read them. Like How the Skrull gangsters are going to fight the panthers in an alternate Earth in Black panther 34... So obviously I read black panther...
Problem is the comic I just told you the plot of won't be released until January. 😆
You've never read a superman comic in your life. sly
You are not debating, debate the points i make, prove me wrong, show me that one Superman Punch has the Force of Roshi maximum Kamehame ha, then you will find out if i know enough about Superman. the time he flew whne luthor wins the election, Superman use superspeed and pass throught the little moon. don´t compare
The issue when superman is bitten is called "four hoursemen".
