Superman vs Goku (Official Thread)

Goku at the end of Dbz is :

Stronger : His physical attacks must keep up with his energy attacks seeing as how it takes Multiple Solar System based attacks to even affect his adversary. By the Cell Saga, multiple planetary destroying attacks are laughed at yet punches from Goku and other fighters affect their adversary.

Faster : Not necesarilly flying speed, eventough from Gotenks's demonstration it's pretty obvious that DBZ characters can fly multiple times the Speed of light . But when it comes to fighting speed, they don't even compare. From what Roshi and Krillin did early in DB in a second, to the speed characters fight later, there is really no comparison.

One thing that must be remembered here is that fighting speed =/= flying speed so nobody should bring arguments that just because Superman flew that fast means that he can fight that fast .

Durability : Goku can take multiple Planet Blasting / Solar System destroying attack up to no effect in his strongest form. He can also take a huge amount of punishment and still get up and fight on.

Not to mention the fact that Goku has a vide array of attacks and tehniques which would give him a huge advantage in this fight such as Instant Transmission, Kienzan, Kamehameha etc.

In This forum i find out that many understimated Goku and the Z, In the Beggining of DBZ the Saiyans can produce such amount of energy that can create an artificial moon, before Freeza Saga, this beings power is desintegration, a more powerful, they can desintegrate things more durable than planets, Freeza, Cell and Buu are beings more durable than a planets.

Vegeta creating a n artificial moon full of energy Saiyan Saga.

Originally posted by superkronick92
Supes holds a mini Black hole
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Superspeed is basically as good as Instant Transmission
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IMO Supes could just drain all of the oxygen from the Battle field and collapse goku's lungs

Goku Train in the Room of spirit and time, low oxigen, extreme temperatures and high gravity, he can be long time without breathing, as he show in this scans, Saiyans are not humans.

Please don't bother. At least skim through the Superman respect thread before you go on the defensive. It doesnt matter, we all know what Goku can do but the sad thing is the majority of people who argue for him winning know nothing about Superman. Why the hell is this here again only the dbz fanboys argue for him winning and with out fail it will turn to insults.

wait. they both think the other destroyed the earth....but they are fighting on it?

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Debate the points presented by Violent2dope, any superman punch dont have the power to destroy the moon, only if he fly at superspeed trough it, like when luthor win the election. Roshi desintegrate the whole moon pulverize it, Goku is for logic more powerful than Roshi and Piccolo.

Originally posted by NiñoAraña
wait. they both think the other destroyed the earth....but they are fighting on it?

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Originally posted by Vvendeta
can you prove that he never took a nap?

Besides Gotenks say "Few dozens times" plural Dozens as he didn´t counted, besides, Trunks and Gotenks train again before battle Buu, and Reach SSJ3, they get more speed as they power up.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Goku at the end of Dbz is :

[b]Stronger : His physical attacks must keep up with his energy attacks seeing as how it takes Multiple Solar System based attacks to even affect his adversary. By the Cell Saga, multiple planetary destroying attacks are laughed at yet punches from Goku and other fighters affect their adversary.

Faster : Not necesarilly flying speed, eventough from Gotenks's demonstration it's pretty obvious that DBZ characters can fly multiple times the Speed of light . But when it comes to fighting speed, they don't even compare. From what Roshi and Krillin did early in DB in a second, to the speed characters fight later, there is really no comparison.

One thing that must be remembered here is that fighting speed =/= flying speed so nobody should bring arguments that just because Superman flew that fast means that he can fight that fast .

Durability : Goku can take multiple Planet Blasting / Solar System destroying attack up to no effect in his strongest form. He can also take a huge amount of punishment and still get up and fight on.

Not to mention the fact that Goku has a vide array of attacks and tehniques which would give him a huge advantage in this fight such as Instant Transmission, Kienzan, Kamehameha etc. [/B]

The Gotenks feat doesn't make them faster than light. He said a few dozen times and even if that was true it still took 29 minutes. That is very far from light speed. As for Krillen vs Roshi..something like that happened just once not multiple times.

Superman has fought around the Earth a fast speeds, and fought to the sun and back. Yea it's hard to doubt he can actually fight faster than light.

Not once has there ever been shown to destroy solar systems and they still get hurt from blasts that just make small craters even when Gokou is in his ssj3 form. Superman has taken blasts the size of what they are hurt by from his weaknesses and been fine enough to keep going.

Instant Transmission is just travel it's not going to help him fight against a guy who can hear his heartbeat and react faster than he has been shown to or anybody else has been shown to. Destructo Disk has yet to prove it can be stopped in the manga but nothing it has cut compares to what Superman has taken and I highly doubt that it's going to bypass his bio-aura. Kamehameha isn't going to have much effect if he isn't going to have the time to even charge up a strong enough blast before he get his head ripped off.

Originally posted by Vvendeta
Goku focus his attacks to small points, to avoid destroying the planet they are fighting on, is explain many times, example when Piccolo charge his Makanko Sampo or light dead beam

Which is complete BS. It was stated that it was a drilling attack, not that it could destroy the moon or a planet. It only destroyed part of a mountain. Energy doesn't just disappear, it has to go somewhere.

Superman is stronger, faster (in both travel and reaction speed), more durable (Mageddon Warhead? Sun - Eaters? Tesseracts?), smarter, more experienced (he had over 1000 years of combat experience in Valhalla), more versatile, etc. And he has actual feats to back this up.

DBZ fans' arguments almost always rely on nothing but speculation and flawed calculations (using false premises, improper methods, and unfounded assumptions).

Even at the end of DBZ normal people can see them fight and see their ki blasts (they can only move fast enough to be invisible for short bursts, not for a whole fight). Also it takes them at least several minutes to fly from one part of the earth to another.

Superman can fly light - years in minutes, fight around the world in seconds, etc.

Gotenks had 29 minutes to fly around the world a few times, then he took a whole minute to reach Buu's house (Picollo said he had one minute remaining in the fusion, and it wore off when he got there). Even if we assume he was on the exact opposite end of the earth from Buu's house, that's still less than 1% of lightspeed.

BTW, Goku can only maintain SSJ3 for a few minutes before becoming exhausted and reverting to base form. Superman can fight for days or even weeks on end.

Except they're also hurt by blasts that only make small craters in the ground and from punches don't even generate shockwaves from them. There is no proof there punches equal to their strongest blasts at all.

He said a few dozen times and even if that was true it still took 29 minutes.

As for Krillen vs Roshi..something like that happened just once not multiple times.

they still get hurt from blasts that just make small craters even when Gokou is in his ssj3 form.

This kind of counter-arguments and a few more make me just wanna stop discussing this at all 😬

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Which is complete BS. It was stated that it was a drilling attack, not that it could destroy the moon or a planet. It only destroyed part of a mountain. Energy doesn't just disappear, it has to go somewhere.

Superman is stronger, faster (in both travel and reaction speed), more durable (Mageddon Warhead? Sun - Eaters? Tesseracts?), smarter, more experienced (he had over 1000 years of combat experience in Valhalla), more versatile, etc. And he has actual feats to back this up.

DBZ fans' arguments almost always rely on nothing but speculation and flawed calculations (using false premises, improper methods, and unfounded assumptions).

Even at the end of DBZ normal people can see them fight and see their ki blasts (they can only move fast enough to be invisible for short bursts, not for a whole fight). Also it takes them at least several minutes to fly from one part of the earth to another.

Superman can fly light - years in minutes, fight around the world in seconds, etc.

Gotenks had 29 minutes to fly around the world a few times, then he took a whole minute to reach Buu's house (Picollo said he had one minute remaining in the fusion, and it wore off when he got there). Even if we assume he was on the exact opposite end of the earth from Buu's house, that's still less than 1% of lightspeed.

Which is complete BS. Supes has been hit/suprise but people who move slowly.. he can only fly fast in space because he has huge distances to build up speed.. his reaction time is no where near Gokus.

You greatest flaw is that us assume that fly/running speed is the same as fighting speed... is the fastest sprinter in the world going to be the best light weight UFC fighter? No.

Goku as a kid could dodge bullets. Bullets move faster then sound. Speed of sound at sea level = 340.29 m/s.
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So at this point he could move faster then 340m/s (At this point Goku can not run at this speed only move over short distances at this speed) He ran 100m in 8.5 seconds.
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Superman fans' arguments almost always rely on nothing but speculation (they never seem to prove anything just post what they "THINK" happened)

There is no way too tell if it took the who 29 min for Gotents to fly around the world.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
BTW, Goku can only maintain SSJ3 for a few minutes before becoming exhausted and reverting to base form. Superman can fight for days or even weeks on end.

Anyway supes couldn't hurt Goku.....

Master Roshi could pulverise the moon. (powerlevel 139)
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Now Piccol did the same thing. (powerlevel 322) (Kame made another moon just in case you where wondering how could 2 moons be destroyed)
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But Piccol blast didnt do anything to Radiz (powerlevel 1200)
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Goku (powerlevel 8000) stop Nappa blast (powerlevel 5000).. just strug it off.
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Now anyone with a brain can see the ammount of damage someone like Nappa could cause... I let you figure out how much damage Goku could do when fighting frezia, with a powerlevel of over 11 million. Its hard to even think about how much energy Goku can produce at the end of dbz.
So can superman cause such damage? He can sure take that kind of damage but can he dish it out?
Superman is tough, durable and extremely smart.. but he could never hurt Goku (once powerup). Goku has proven he can take these hits as if they where nothing. If Supes can't dish it out hows he supose to beat Goku?

The most ridiculous counter arguments up until now :

*Basing the strength of the blasts upon the fact that they make small craters and then saying that they hurt SSj3 Goku

*Disregarding what Roshi and Krillin did in a second based on the fact that it happened only once .

*Saying that Gotenks flew for 29 minutes

And more

I could point out easily what's wrong with these but any person with mid-knowledge about DB would already know.

Which is complete BS. It was stated that it was a drilling attack, not that it could destroy the moon or a planet. It only destroyed part of a mountain. Energy doesn't just disappear, it has to go somewhere.

I was referring to the Z fighters concentrate they power in small points, enough to defeat the enemy, and mostly the enemies wanted to defeat them. they are not reckless to attack without considering the destruction of the planet, Roshi and Piccolo did attack with reasons the moon, and they destroy it
Piccolo focusing his attack in one point

Superman is stronger, faster (in both travel and reaction speed), more durable (Mageddon Warhead? Sun - Eaters? Tesseracts?), smarter, more experienced (he had over 1000 years of combat experience in Valhalla), more versatile, etc. And he has actual feats to back this up.

More durable he is not, To absorve the Maggeddon is not to survive his explosion, the sun eaters, one he was not in the middle of the explosion, and another he was nock him down, Goku blast have disintegration powers, as is possible that Superman will survive it due his Durability, he will be defeated, Superman don´t regenate like Cell or Buu, Cell resist all the attack of a human army without a scratch, he is as durable as some version of Superman.









Goku disintegrate his head. With Superman, Goku will defeat him.

DBZ fans' arguments almost always rely on nothing but speculation and flawed calculations (using false premises, improper methods, and unfounded assumptions).

Even at the end of DBZ normal people can see them fight and see their ki blasts (they can only move fast enough to be invisible for short bursts, not for a whole fight). Also it takes them at least several minutes to fly from one part of the earth to another.

Goku child was the one who disappear in front of humans for long periods of time, not like you are saying:

Even at the end of DBZ normal people can see them fight and see their ki blasts (they can only move fast enough to be invisible for short bursts, not for a whole fight). Also it takes them at least several minutes to fly from one part of the earth to another.

That also prove my previous points. Mr. Satan is mostly a comic relief of the action moments, That don´t erase that Goku run 8.5 seconds in 100 meters in the beginning of DB, was faster than bullets, Train with Roshi, with Karin, Red Ribbon Army, Second tournament, Piccolo Daimao, Kami training, and battle with Piccolo, pre DBZ, kaiken, 10 g, 100g, Supersaiyan 1 2,3, so he is capable to fight Superman, just toriyama didn´t care about showing the quantity of his speed, like DC do all the time.

This is not different as Superman and Mongul fighting.

Superman can fly light - years in minutes, fight around the world in seconds, etc.

Gotenks had 29 minutes to fly around the world a few times, then he took a whole minute to reach Buu's house (Picollo said he had one minute remaining in the fusion, and it wore off when he got there). Even if we assume he was on the exact opposite end of the earth from Buu's house, that's still less than 1% of lightspeed.

I put the scan with the right translation, few dozen times, plural, as 12 is dozen singular, and here is the point, he power up more later of this, SSJ3 Gotenks, and Goku basicly move instantly. from point A to B by feeling Ki, trough Solar Sistems and Dimensions, and around an opponent he don´t need to concentrade, also when already knows the ki.

And there is no specification of how long Time SSJ 3 last, The manga and the anime show then fighting quite a long time, if you have a scan that Show that Goku last 5 minutes with original translation show it, I know there is not.

Supes makes eye contact=instant lobotomy