Superman vs Goku (Official Thread)

Originally posted by Tang
Nowhere does it say Superman can fight faster than light, it's never been proven. I even remember reading that Superman can't go beyond light speed within a planet's atmosphere, now I know the popular Superman supporters answer to this one, he will cause atmospheric chaos, which we all know it hasn't been proven either. Sonic booms can't cause atmospheric chaos even real scientists say that. They say only extreme temperatures can and we have never seen Superman control the weather so there goes that claim of he will cause atmospheric chaos. Never seen Superman fight around the Earth at fast speeds, now you're going to talk about that scan where it shows him in arizona and china and all those places. It doesn't prove anything where does it show the time frame making speculations about just because it was all on one page doesn't prove any time frame, it would be like me taking pictures of myself being at all these different places and putting them on one page does that prove to everyone that I'm really fast because I was in all those places just because I listed them and put them on one page?

Superman has never taken blasts any where near that of what Goku can dish out. Sun eater, he wasn't even near it, megadon war head there was no explosion, he absorb the energy. It said if it exploded it would take half the galaxy did anyone see an explosion in that scan?

Superman died from punches nowhere near the power of Goku's so explain that.

IT is very effective in battles, we've seen him use it against Cell and Buu and it worked both times causing them tremendous damages. If it wasn't for their regeneration abilities they would of been screwed. Superman can hear Dooms Day's heart beat so explain why he still got own, it proves his reaction time is not that great. Remember Dooms Day is slower than him.

Superman's never taken the energy Gokou can dish out? What can Gokou dish out? Planet destroying blasts? That's nothing new. He survived a explosion with little effort that could have cut the Earth in half. He's survived two attacks that could destroy islands while one he was incased in kryptonite laced sand so he was getting weaker, and the other was made of magic. Any of Gokou's casual ki blasts would be no problem as they aren't any of his weakness. As for the Kamehameha there is nothing to prove that he can't survive that. And even if it would hurt he still fast enough to dodge it and still ko Gokou before he can move. And he did survive the explosion of Super Nova's after being hit with Red Solar Energy.

Died from punched no where near Gokou's? First that was a weaker Superman and second...DOS Doomsday can still punch a lot harder than Gokou can ever dream. Let me know when his punches can be felt a even a few miles away.

Um Doomsday is faster than Superman, doesn't have a heart or any organs, and he hits a heck of a lot harder than Gokou not to mention Kryptonian so he by-passes Supes bio-aura. Also Cell was barley faster than Gokou and was surprised by IT. Buu doesn't even bother to dodge junk since he can't be hurt. Superman wouldn't be phased by somebody teleporting since he sees it everyday.

Tang, when he used the IT against Cell, there was a long pause. Supes isn't gonna just stand there and think he's faking.

The second time, he only used it to avoid an attack and that was the ONLY time he used it. Doesn't mean he didn't have to lock on though.

Finally, Supes doesn't operate on ki so that throws that claim out the window.

Originally posted by Kento
Superman has kept up with Impulse on Earth while they were searching for a bomb. He can do things at those high level of speeds also. And no panels in comics are not like that. So I guess the Kamehameha is really slow because in one panel it's charging and the other it's blasted but we don't know how long that one panel is so it could be an hour and the fighters in Z are so slow they still couldn't dodge it.

Superman's never taken the energy Gokou can dish out? What can Gokou dish out? Planet destroying blasts? That's nothing new. He survived a explosion with little effort that could have cut the Earth in half. He's survived two attacks that could destroy islands while one he was incased in kryptonite laced sand so he was getting weaker, and the other was made of magic. Any of Gokou's casual ki blasts would be no problem as they aren't any of his weakness. As for the Kamehameha there is nothing to prove that he can't survive that. And even if it would hurt he still fast enough to dodge it and still ko Gokou before he can move. And he did survive the explosion of Super Nova's after being hit with Red Solar Energy.

Died from punched no where near Gokou's? First that was a weaker Superman and second...DOS Doomsday can still punch a lot harder than Gokou can ever dream. Let me know when his punches can be felt a even a few miles away.

Um Doomsday is faster than Superman, doesn't have a heart or any organs, and he hits a heck of a lot harder than Gokou not to mention Kryptonian so he by-passes Supes bio-aura. Also Cell was barley faster than Gokou and was surprised by IT. Buu doesn't even bother to dodge junk since he can't be hurt. Superman wouldn't be phased by somebody teleporting since he sees it everyday.

Superman is not as fast as Impulse, how do you know how fast Impulse was going? Goku has used a kamehameha without charging before, against Nappa and against Frieza.

He survived attacks that can destroy islands? One we don't know big those islands? Cell proved that characters of his class and higher can destroy Islands easily. Also, there's no proof of Superman surviving an attack that sliced the Earth. The problem I see here is you guys are trying to claim that Superman never gets tired, which is not true. It's been proven countless times that he does get tired. Getting hit by the shock waves is not considered surviving the explosion. It would be like me saying oh the shock waves of a grenade threw me back and I survived the actual explosion we all know that's not true.

LOL, Dooms Day is not faster than Superman he can only jump a mile at a time and is in fact slower than Superman. Did you miss that in the comic? Superman out ran him every step of the way until Dooms Day beat killed him.

LOL, Dooms Day hits a whole lot harder than Goku? is that why only roads and broken windows occured? When Goku fights buildings come down from just powering up far more impressive then actually having to swing a punch. Superman is not that fast, it's never been proven except for fans claiming it, if he was that fast he wouldn't have lost to Dooms Day who used punches.

Cell wasn't just barely faster than Goku, Cell said it was a warm up that's when Goku stop fighting and let Gohan fight him. Superman does not see people teleport every day, lol. Also, no one has ever had the ability to do it instantly in DC.

LOL, Dooms Day is not faster than Superman he can only jump a mile at a time and is in fact slower than Superman. Did you miss that in the comic? Superman out ran him every step of the way until Dooms Day beat killed him.

So why is he compared to the Flash? Why does Superman have to amp up his own combat speed to reach Doomsdays level.

LOL, Dooms Day hits a whole lot harder than Goku? is that why only roads and broken windows occured? When Goku fights buildings come down from just powering up far more impressive then actually having to swing a punch. Superman is not that fast, it's never been proven except for fans claiming it, if he was that fast he wouldn't have lost to Dooms Day who used punches.

I didn't realise we were allowed to make things up. The only serious fight within a city was with Piccolo versus cell. No buildings collapsed when they powered up.

As your second point. What? That's like saying the flash can't be fast because Zoom gives him trouble. Doomsday is fast. It's mentioned repeatedly in the Death of Superman, Hunter/Prey and the doomsday wars.

Also Superman blitzed the crap out Doomsday in their last one on one match. Going so fast Doomsday's fists passed through him harmlessly. Sound familiar?

Originally posted by Tang
Nowhere does it say Superman can fight faster than light, it's never been proven. I even remember reading that Superman can't go beyond light speed within a planet's atmosphere, now I know the popular Superman supporters answer to this one, he will cause atmospheric chaos, which we all know it hasn't been proven either. Sonic booms can't cause atmospheric chaos even real scientists say that. They say only extreme temperatures can and we have never seen Superman control the weather so there goes that claim of he will cause atmospheric chaos. Never seen Superman fight around the Earth at fast speeds, now you're going to talk about that scan where it shows him in arizona and china and all those places. It doesn't prove anything where does it show the time frame making speculations about just because it was all on one page doesn't prove any time frame, it would be like me taking pictures of myself being at all these different places and putting them on one page does that prove to everyone that I'm really fast because I was in all those places just because I listed them and put them on one page?

Superman has never taken blasts any where near that of what Goku can dish out. Sun eater, he wasn't even near it, megadon war head there was no explosion, he absorb the energy. It said if it exploded it would take half the galaxy did anyone see an explosion in that scan?

Superman died from punches nowhere near the power of Goku's so explain that.

IT is very effective in battles, we've seen him use it against Cell and Buu and it worked both times causing them tremendous damages. If it wasn't for their regeneration abilities they would of been screwed. Superman can hear Dooms Day's heart beat so explain why he still got own, it proves his reaction time is not that great. Remember Dooms Day is slower than him.

Yeah you probably don't even read superman comics either:
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/9101/0869a916yt.jpg

Nothing about "atmospheric chaos" just that he wants to eliminate the sonic booms.

And if he wasn't anywhere near the sun eater then why'd it send him flying back to Earth?

Wouldn't absorbing the energy from the "destroy half the galaxy" show that he can absorb more energy than goku's ever proven to put out?

Goku's died from less energy that Superman can put out, explain that one... or betteryet don't try to use low showings from sometime ago when the same punches wouldn't and don't have the same effect, just like goku wouldn't be harmed by the same amount of energy that killed him.

Hell we could still go with pointing out Goku couldn't take a planet buster with cell.

Logic, try it next time.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
...Okay, of course some science applies, but that does not mean ALL science does! Like building up energy to enlarge your muscles tenfold, that would rip the skin in actuality, or how about a giant dragon that lives in 7 separate balls that grants wishes?

But there's usually an explanation for things like that such as they have super powers or they're a different race or something. DBZ is no doubt highly fictionalized but there's still some basic things about the world that it has.

Originally posted by Tang
Superman is not as fast as Impulse, how do you know how fast Impulse was going? Goku has used a kamehameha without charging before, against Nappa and against Frieza.

He survived attacks that can destroy islands? One we don't know big those islands? Cell proved that characters of his class and higher can destroy Islands easily. Also, there's no proof of Superman surviving an attack that sliced the Earth. The problem I see here is you guys are trying to claim that Superman never gets tired, which is not true. It's been proven countless times that he does get tired. Getting hit by the shock waves is not considered surviving the explosion. It would be like me saying oh the shock waves of a grenade threw me back and I survived the actual explosion we all know that's not true.

LOL, Dooms Day is not faster than Superman he can only jump a mile at a time and is in fact slower than Superman. Did you miss that in the comic? Superman out ran him every step of the way until Dooms Day beat killed him.

LOL, Dooms Day hits a whole lot harder than Goku? is that why only roads and broken windows occured? When Goku fights buildings come down from just powering up far more impressive then actually having to swing a punch. Superman is not that fast, it's never been proven except for fans claiming it, if he was that fast he wouldn't have lost to Dooms Day who used punches.

Cell wasn't just barely faster than Goku, Cell said it was a warm up that's when Goku stop fighting and let Gohan fight him. Superman does not see people teleport every day, lol. Also, no one has ever had the ability to do it instantly in DC.

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
So why is he compared to the Flash? Why does Superman have to amp up his own combat speed to reach Doomsdays level.

I didn't realise we were allowed to make things up. The only serious fight within a city was with Piccolo versus cell. No buildings collapsed when they powered up.

As your second point. What? That's like saying the flash can't be fast because Zoom gives him trouble. Doomsday is fast. It's mentioned repeatedly in the Death of Superman, Hunter/Prey and the doomsday wars.

Also Superman blitzed the crap out Doomsday in their last one on one match. Going so fast Doomsday's fists passed through him harmlessly. Sound familiar?

Originally posted by Tang
Superman is not as fast as Impulse, how do you know how fast Impulse was going? Goku has used a kamehameha without charging before, against Nappa and against Frieza.

He survived attacks that can destroy islands? One we don't know big those islands? Cell proved that characters of his class and higher can destroy Islands easily. Also, there's no proof of Superman surviving an attack that sliced the Earth. The problem I see here is you guys are trying to claim that Superman never gets tired, which is not true. It's been proven countless times that he does get tired. Getting hit by the shock waves is not considered surviving the explosion. It would be like me saying oh the shock waves of a grenade threw me back and I survived the actual explosion we all know that's not true.

LOL, Dooms Day is not faster than Superman he can only jump a mile at a time and is in fact slower than Superman. Did you miss that in the comic? Superman out ran him every step of the way until Dooms Day beat killed him.

LOL, Dooms Day hits a whole lot harder than Goku? is that why only roads and broken windows occured? When Goku fights buildings come down from just powering up far more impressive then actually having to swing a punch. Superman is not that fast, it's never been proven except for fans claiming it, if he was that fast he wouldn't have lost to Dooms Day who used punches.

Cell wasn't just barely faster than Goku, Cell said it was a warm up that's when Goku stop fighting and let Gohan fight him. Superman does not see people teleport every day, lol. Also, no one has ever had the ability to do it instantly in DC.

Wasn't one Island Themyscara? As for the other it was about as big as any Island Cell destroyed. And what does it really matter if Cell has destroyed islands....Ki isn't a weakness and he's survived easily blasts of that caliber while being weakned by kryptonite and the other was one of his weaknesses. And in the other thread Superman took a robot to space that if exploded would slice the Earth in half and came back just fine. As for the Super Nova one, Superman was inside it when it exploded. He just couldn't have survived the bomb's energy that he had put in it since he was weakened from Red Solar Energy.

Superman has always been slightly slower that Doomsday. Superman can fly that is his advantage but he still don't have the strength or speed advantage just the range and moveability. Superman died because he slugged it out with somebody physically superior instead of staying out of his range.

Doomsday's and Superman's punches were felt from Metropolis all the way to Gotham...yea a lot more than just windows breaking happened. That's a lot farther than any blows were felt from any punches by Gokou even at ssj3. Powering up doesn't mean anything since Gokou can't punch hard enough to create the same effect with his fist. Oh yes, it must be Doomsday can only punch so he's obviously not strong at all nor fast in any way even though he's surprised Superman with his speed and was compared to Flash. Not to mention that was like what 91? Both Superman and Doomsday have gotten faster since and stronger just has Gokou since he died the first time.

No they said it was a warm up and then got serious. Gokou was going all out when he did the Warp Kamehameha not just warming up. And the watchtower has things to teleport people. Just because they can't do it under there own power doesn't mean he doesn't see people who can teleport. And there is still the fact he can hear his hearbeat and him breathing as he reappears.

And you have yet to prove for Gokou at all.

Originally posted by Tang

You don't need to quote a post and then respond in the next one right?

He wasn't compared to the Flash, lol. I thought you said we weren't allowed to make things up. Oh wait only if it benefits Superman right? There was a scene in the death of Superman where the Flash ran circles around Dooms Day and try hitting him, Dooms Day was just standing there and he clocked the Flash because the Flash was trying to hit him. It doesn't prove anything about speed. Did you miss it when Goku went SSJ3 and buildings were coming down, the ocean was going crazy and the Supreme Kai said if he doesn't stop everything would be destroyed?

Goku did that same thing Superman did against Dooms Day before becoming a SSJ against someone who is faster than light, Burter so tell me again which is more impressive the one who can do it against someone faster than light or the one who can do it against someone who's slower?

Originally posted by Creshosk
You do know you can type directly under the quoted post in order to respond...

You don't need to quote a post and then respond in the next one right?

No, I'm kind of new here. Thanks for letting me know.

Originally posted by Tang
He wasn't compared to the Flash, lol. I thought you said we weren't allowed to make things up. Oh wait only if it benefits Superman right? There was a scene in the death of Superman where the Flash ran circles around Dooms Day and try hitting him, Dooms Day was just standing there and he clocked the Flash because the Flash was trying to hit him. It doesn't prove anything about speed. Did you miss it when Goku went SSJ3 and buildings were coming down, the ocean was going crazy and the Supreme Kai said if he doesn't stop everything would be destroyed?

Goku did that same thing Superman did against Dooms Day before becoming a SSJ against someone who is faster than light, Burter so tell me again which is more impressive the one who can do it against someone faster than light or the one who can do it against someone who's slower?

Superman's heat vision is hotter than stars.

Guess Goku dies easily.

It's never been proven that they were faster than light. The original texrt states that he was the fastest in the universe, which obviously wasn't true as Goku proved to be faster and then even freiza proed to be faster by keeping up with goku for a time. Pluss there were the androids including cell who gave Goku problems and Buu.

Not only that but superman himself is faster than light many times faster in fact.

So superman is faster than light and Goku dies from low levels of energy.

(Note how I'm using more current feats for my side and older ones for yours? EXACTLY like you're doing.)

Goku doesnt get hit by the likes of Batman. Give Batman 200yrs prep time and he will never beat Goku, give Batman 2mins prep time and he will kill supes 10times over

Originally posted by Tang
He wasn't compared to the Flash, lol. I thought you said we weren't allowed to make things up. Oh wait only if it benefits Superman right? There was a scene in the death of Superman where the Flash ran circles around Dooms Day and try hitting him, Dooms Day was just standing there and he clocked the Flash because the Flash was trying to hit him. It doesn't prove anything about speed. Did you miss it when Goku went SSJ3 and buildings were coming down, the ocean was going crazy and the Supreme Kai said if he doesn't stop everything would be destroyed?

Goku did that same thing Superman did against Dooms Day before becoming a SSJ against someone who is faster than light, Burter so tell me again which is more impressive the one who can do it against someone faster than light or the one who can do it against someone who's slower?

Burter isn't faster than light...Gotenks and Gohan pretty much prove this. Gohan from Buu Saga > Burter and Gokou together from Freeza Saga in his base form and it takes him five minutes to get from his house to his school. Which is fast but not light fast since it takes a jet 5 hours.

Originally posted by Sarutobi700
Goku doesnt get hit by the likes of Batman. Give Batman 200yrs prep time and he will never beat Goku, give Batman 2mins prep time and he will kill supes 10times over

And by the way..Batman has never taken Superman down at all....

Originally posted by Sarutobi700
Goku doesnt get hit by the likes of Batman. Give Batman 200yrs prep time and he will never beat Goku, give Batman 2mins prep time and he will kill supes 10times over

He wasn't compared to the Flash, lol. I thought you said we weren't allowed to make things up. Oh wait only if it benefits Superman right? There was a scene in the death of Superman where the Flash ran circles around Dooms Day and try hitting him, Dooms Day was just standing there and he clocked the Flash because the Flash was trying to hit him. It doesn't prove anything about speed. Did you miss it when Goku went SSJ3 and buildings were coming down, the ocean was going crazy and the Supreme Kai said if he doesn't stop everything would be destroyed?

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/dos14.jpg

Yes he was. Booster gold said that doomsday was faster than the flash. Flash wasn't even in the death of superman. The only time Doomsday and Flash have fought Doomsday knocked flash to the ground and took him down off panel.

Point out where buildings coming down happens in the scene:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=yR7P8LarbgU

Unless you think windows shattering means the building is collapsing.

I can't post any links because I'm new here but go to google and type in goku vs superman it's a movie codec click on the last post it will answer all of your questions.