Originally posted by fanboy 1988Jigglypuff>Cell
What's the big deal if it isn't canon, he had the same powers did he not? And got beat
Hell, fear the jigglypuff For it is greater than Goku, Ryu and Homer combined.
I don't get what's so great about superbuu, he's easily the weakest character in existence:
"What's the big deal if it isn't canon?" 😐
do you dbz guys really want to go the whole cannon route? if we're using everything, than how about the driving episode where an ssj goku and piccolo COMBINED struggled to hold up a friggin bus? or how about in GT where a ssj4 goku struggled with a building? or what about where he was worried about getting cut up by a simple metal fan?
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
I believe superman would win but I don't believe so in the land-slide everyone keeps sayingone thing ki isn't a normal energy force, it is an extremely focused attack with no energy radiating off it - I'm prety sure this can be see nwhen z fighters have beams skim them and aren't dealt much if any damage at all - so when the energy touches down on the earth that is all the energy radiating, a ki attack is ki energy, it doesn't seem to radiate heat or any other type of energy other than light. so the reason the crator didn't seem that big was because it was being focused at one person, plus gohan firing a blast equal to that had much of the energy canceling out
Energy has to go somewhere. It doesn't just disappear. If you concentrate enough energy to destroy a planet in a an area 1 centimeter wide, it's going to still destroy the planet once it expands (either that or drill a hole right through the planet and fly into space out the other side).
Originally posted by emporerpants
do you dbz guys really want to go the whole cannon route? if we're using everything, than how about the driving episode where an ssj goku and piccolo COMBINED struggled to hold up a friggin bus? or how about in GT where a ssj4 goku struggled with a building? or what about where he was worried about getting cut up by a simple metal fan?
SSJ4 Gokou didn't struggle to lift a building. Base Kid Gokou struggled to try and lift a building. SSJ4 Gokou lifted part of the city with some effort but still. Course Kid Gokou in GT also easily flew with a bus that he caught effortlessly and GT Gokou > Gokou during that filler episode. So one is just wrong and the other is a weaker version. Don't know about the metal fan thing so I can't comment.
Originally posted by Endless MikeYou are doing it again.
Energy has to go somewhere. It doesn't just disappear. If you concentrate enough energy to destroy a planet in a an area 1 centimeter wide, it's going to still destroy the planet once it expands (either that or drill a hole right through the planet and fly into space out the other side).
ok kento, what about base kid gt goku killing super 17 when ssj4 goku couldn't? the fan part was in one of the episodes when goku was being chased, we was thinking if he was FAST enough to fly through the fans without being killed. or how about when yamcha beat pikkon and that hercules looking dude in like 2 seconds? the same pikkon who took out cell just as fast. bullshit. yeah, i might be wrong about the ssj4 goku struggling with the building, i haven't seen gt in forever, since it's shit. thanks for the correction. anyway, the point i was trying to make is that non-cannon is bullshit and can't be used. obviously ssjgoku should be able to lift a bus without help, and the fan shouldn't be able to hurt him, etc. non-cannon in db is full of stupid plot holes and inconsistencies. it should not be used, as non-cannon should not be used in ANYTHING. i was simply showing the dbz side why its unwise to use non- cannon. not that it matters, as supes wins no matter what is used from dbz.
Originally posted by Endless Mikeyeah but with th beams colliding wouldn't the energy be cancelling out?
Energy has to go somewhere. It doesn't just disappear. If you concentrate enough energy to destroy a planet in a an area 1 centimeter wide, it's going to still destroy the planet once it expands (either that or drill a hole right through the planet and fly into space out the other side).
Originally posted by emporerpantsYea I know what you mean. GT is nothing but contradiction. It's one of the reasons I hate the series along with the fillers. The movies are also but they aren't suppose to be part of the series unlike GT and the fillers. Just the whole SSJ4 unable to lift a building I kept hearing about and when I finally saw it I was like...Well that was a lie it was Base Gokou that couldn't. Course if they want to bring up non-canon stuff in Z it doesn't change much at all since even in non-canon stuff they don't show the power to destroy the solar system still just planets. And they don't want us bringing non-canon stuff from Superman. Since the would involve Pre-Crisis feats, and All-Star Superman feats.
ok kento, what about base kid gt goku killing super 17 when ssj4 goku couldn't? the fan part was in one of the episodes when goku was being chased, we was thinking if he was FAST enough to fly through the fans without being killed. or how about when yamcha beat pikkon and that hercules looking dude in like 2 seconds? the same pikkon who took out cell just as fast. bullshit. yeah, i might be wrong about the ssj4 goku struggling with the building, i haven't seen gt in forever, since it's shit. thanks for the correction. anyway, the point i was trying to make is that non-cannon is bullshit and can't be used. obviously ssjgoku should be able to lift a bus without help, and the fan shouldn't be able to hurt him, etc. non-cannon in db is full of stupid plot holes and inconsistencies. it should not be used, as non-cannon should not be used in ANYTHING. i was simply showing the dbz side why its unwise to use non- cannon. not that it matters, as supes wins no matter what is used from dbz.
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678Define "Canceled out".
yeah but with th beams colliding wouldn't the energy be cancelling out?
It's not a math equation all that energy has to go somewhere. when one particle of enrgy colides with another they don't disappear, their verctor is altered, unless the force is great enough in which case the type would convert and even more energy would be given off. Like when an atom is split it produces more energy.
Originally posted by Creshoskwell yeah and since they were focusing the energy at each other there was that large mass of energy in the center where they were conversing however the beam didn't appear to be giving off any type of energy as it was being focused at the opponent....you probably understand this more than me s oI'll take your opinion on it
Define "Canceled out".It's not a math equation all that energy has to go somewhere. when one particle of enrgy colides with another they don't disappear, their verctor is altered, unless the force is great enough in which case the type would convert and even more energy would be given off. Like when an atom is split it produces more energy.
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678The point is the amount of energy harnessed was insufficient to do more than leave a crater. Even with the claim that there was enough to destroy not just one (Cell) but two (Gohan) solar systems.
well yeah and since they were focusing the energy at each other there was that large mass of energy in the center where they were conversing however the beam didn't appear to be giving off any type of energy as it was being focused at the opponent....you probably understand this more than me s oI'll take your opinion on it
So either cell was telling the truth and there was enough to destroy two (Cell and gohan) solar systems and there;s a big hole in the reasoning of why not even one was destroyed, or Cell was bluffing to try and intimidate the Z fighters (which is the more likely case as the evidence supports this.)