Superman vs Goku (Official Thread)

Originally posted by Creshosk
Gotenks and buu also both used the kamikaze spirit technique that goku didn't. Buu could also turn people into chocolate. Gotenks is not Goku. Gotenks did several things Goku was never shown to do. Gotenks is not Goku.

You still haven't proven the enterance to the hyperbolic time chamber was restored. But then it doesn't matter. You also haven't proven that Goku will be able to do something he's never been able to do in less time than he's had.

Assuming that he even still has access to the chamber. Assuming it would do him any good.

He's old enough to have grandkids, and 40 tons was too much for him. Superman meanwhile has moved the moon, thrown moonsized metal objects, held a black hole in his hands and even survived in a double black hole.

Training in a gravity chamber in the room of spirit and time>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Aging.

Goku could hold a Black Hole of that size if he trained specifically for it.

Originally posted by Creshosk
You haven't earned it. You keep making these unreasonable onesided demands, you keep saying stupid things, and you keep breaking the rules.

Why am I supposed to respect that sort of behavior?

But appearently this form of theft of services hasn't enlighted you any.

And this is probably a bold faced lie... Doesn't surprise me given your track record of rule breaking and hypocrisy.

Creshok, you think that its stupid because its against a character that you are voting against. Again I asked you, who do you think is faster, dbz characters or bleach.

Another question I asked you, how fast do you have to be to create after images.

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
Training in a gravity chamber in the room of spirit and time>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Aging.

Goku could hold a Black Hole of that size if he trained specifically for it.

And um....Gokou would have to get a lot more durable to even attempt to hold a black hole not to mention stronger than he could probably get in a year when in about 50 years or so he couldn't even go over 15 tons. And don't say he quit strength training. He always wore weights while training, Piccolo always wears weights, and in the Buu Saga he is specifically training with weights to go back to fight in the tournament on Earth.

Originally posted by Combat_Guru

Goku could hold a Black Hole of that size if he trained specifically for it.

Originally posted by carver9
Creshok, I dont have a reason to lie to you,

Originally posted by carver9
Im a grown man. I dont believe in all that crap that other people do to try and get attention or whatever you think I was doing.

Originally posted by carver9
If I was trolling

Originally posted by carver9
or socking,

Originally posted by carver9
whatever you call it why would I start my post off saying "Creshok, this is carver 9.".

Originally posted by carver9
Again it was a mistake, I got my roommates acct banned, found out this morning when he tried to sign on and I woke up and he called me a mf and told me what happened.

Socking is posting on an account other than your main account. It makes it so that all the accounts you post on are "socks". Which is a bannable offense.

Originally posted by carver9
Im going to ask one of the moderators if they are able to give him back his acct because he dont come on here to debate, he just go to the movie sections to see whats going on there.

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
Training in a gravity chamber in the room of spirit and time=Aging.

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
Goku could hold a Black Hole of that size if he trained specifically for it.

Originally posted by carver9
Creshok, you think that its stupid because its against a character that you are voting against.

Originally posted by carver9
Again I asked you, who do you think is faster, dbz characters or bleach.

Originally posted by carver9
Another question I asked you, how fast do you have to be to create after images.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Batman has kicked the spectre... you know the wrath of god character in DC? He's batman... he's the king of PIS... Hell spiderman has knocked out firelord... there's a rule against these kind of showings beyond the power that a character actually has... Not too keen on following that rule are you?

Begging the question fallacy and circular reasoning fallacy as well as the stolen concept fallacy.

You're using an unproven theory as both evidence and as the theory you're presenting... don't do that.

Again, circular reasoning, stolen concept and begging the question fallacies were all just commited.

It's already in question that Goku can beat superman. DOn't use your unproven assumptions to try and prove the unproven assumpition itself.

What you're doing is breaking the rule about SMvsFL and relying on low showings to prove your point. Its not surprising since eventualyl all of the dbz supporters resort to this.

Can't win without breaking the rules eh? Can't win without breaking the rules of logic either...

Brawl. its awesome. I also like Twilight princess and uh.. wait isn't this off topic?

You all say that goku failed to lift weights that he should have lifted since he did lift picollo who could have easily weighed that much and this was when he wasnt close to the power that hes at. Why couldnt that just be a low showing for goku (even though I dont think that it was a low showing because he was on the ki planet.). So since we are taking feats away from superman why cant we do the same for goku.

Im not stealing anything. I know the manager and he dont mind.

Its in question to you that goku can beat superman. I know that base goku would thrash superman.

Im not breaking anything to make another character look good. Im provide cannon proof just like you are. Thats not the only time superman has had trouble with someone with peak human stats, just ask deathstroke.

Well I guess I have to buy more then one game when I get the wii.

Originally posted by carver9
You all say that goku failed to lift weights that he should have lifted since he did lift picollo who could have easily weighed that much and this was when he wasnt close to the power that hes at. Why couldnt that just be a low showing for goku (even though I dont think that it was a low showing because he was on the ki planet.). So since we are taking feats away from superman why cant we do the same for goku.

Im not stealing anything. I know the manager and he dont mind.

Its in question to you that goku can beat superman. I know that base goku would thrash superman.

Im not breaking anything to make another character look good. Im provide cannon proof just like you are. Thats not the only time superman has had trouble with someone with peak human stats, just ask deathstroke.

Well I guess I have to buy more then one game when I get the wii.

When did Deathstroke beat Superman?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Yes you do. You're lying to try and get your way. in this case to gain back the credibility you lost when you proved you don't read DC's comics when you laughed at the statement about Superman Prime fighting Superman.

Of course you'd say this.

Which you are... breaking the rules of the thread and the section. etc.

Which you admitted to.

Which is the socking confession.

Likely story... If it were true you should have edited the post out and switched to your account.

Socking is posting on an account other than your main account. It makes it so that all the accounts you post on are "socks". Which is a bannable offense.

Should have thought about that before you admitted to socking.

Creshok, I dont know what I can tell you to believe me. I dont even know why Im explaining myself to you. If you own a xbox 360 I can send you a video cam and you can see my crazy roommate.

If I was socking under his name I guess I was doing that but I didnt know that was socking and honestly I dont know what the hell socking mean.

So people that sock lose credibility. Well if I did sock I guess I lost it huh, theres no point in me trying to redeem myself since it was a mistake that you wont believe but Im still going to ask the moderator since it wasnt his fault.

I agree, I should have done that but I didnt know that it would get this bad. I didnt know when I woke up this morning that he would lose his acct. I seen the word sock but I didnt know what it was for. He dont even go on the forum to debate. If you pull up his name it will show you that he had this acct for months, he just go to the movie section. That was my stupidity and I shouldnt have been so lazy and signed him out but hey, I cant rewind time.

Originally posted by Kento
You know Gokou didn't exactly pick Piccolo up and throw him either though. There would be a difference if he had actually picked him up instead of grabbing his finger and then tossing him over him.

When did Deathstroke beat Superman?

There really isnt a difference.

He didnt beat superman but superman wasnt fast enough to even catch deathstroke. Ill get the scans for you.

Originally posted by carver9
There really isnt a difference.

He didnt beat superman but superman wasnt fast enough to even catch deathstroke. Ill get the scans for you.

And yea...Superman can race around the world following Flash and not destroy anything even though they are running through a city and Deathstroke is to fast to catch. Now that's PIS. Just like Deathstroke stabbing Flash or beating Kyle.

Originally posted by carver9
You all say that goku failed to lift weights that he should have lifted since he did lift picollo who could have easily weighed that much and this was when he wasnt close to the power that hes at.

Originally posted by carver9
Why couldnt that just be a low showing for goku (even though I dont think that it was a low showing because he was on the ki planet.).[/quote because he hasn't proven to be stronger than that? That's the highest that's been stated?

[QUOTE=10412747]Originally posted by carver9
So since we are taking feats away from superman why cant we do the same for goku.

Originally posted by carver9
Im not stealing anything. I know the manager and he dont mind.

Originally posted by carver9
Its in question to you that goku can beat superman.

Originally posted by carver9
I know that base goku would thrash superman.

That's like me saying that I know that buildings are made of cheese and that cars run on blue paint and broken dreams...

Originally posted by carver9
Im not breaking anything to make another character look good.

Originally posted by carver9
Im provide cannon proof just like you are.

Originally posted by carver9
Thats not the only time superman has had trouble with someone with peak human stats, just ask deathstroke.

Superman's heat vision is hotter than the sun. Goku is killed by planet destroying blasts... hell with when cell killed him... how about when piccolo killed him? That wasn't planet destroying...

There. THAT is using low showings like you're doing.

Originally posted by carver9
Well I guess I have to buy more then one game when I get the wii.

Just like rocks hurting Goku is PIS

Originally posted by Creshosk
I think its stupid because its stupid.

Sorry, thought I answered this... I've only seen up to where Ichigo get's into the soul society. So I couldn't tell you.

since its an optical illusion it just means moving in short rapid bursts of speed. Faster than the human eye can detect, you slow down slightly so the person can catch a slight glimpse of you before moving fast again. Wolverine can move in bursts fast enough that humans standing right in front of him lose track of him. Nao a girl from Midori Days, can make after images. Kenshin deals with After images of Aoshi. Spiderman has made after images... So I'm going to say "faster than the human eye" as the answer.

Wolverine can move in burst that is faster then the human eye but I have yet to see him create a after image and that is one of my favorite characters.

Spiderman have yet to do a after image. I hope youre not referring to the hulk fight, that wasnt after image that was to be shown as a reflex ability.

Answer this for me, since you are so good at caculations. How fast do you have to be to be at the beginning of an explosing. Im referring to the explosion that have the capacity of an atomic bomb and it is right under your feat and you move the explosion dont even touch you. Now remember, this explosion has the mass of an atomic bomb and it is starting right under your feat but you still escape without even being touched. (I hope you understood that, my typing can be kind of confussing sometime.).

Another question, do you think that naruto characters are faster then dbz characters.

Originally posted by superchron
Just like rocks hurting Goku is PIS

naah, something like bat kicks hurting superman and bottle to the head hurting him. We do know one thing though, anime does have a lot of comedy in it and that was one of the most funniest part of the comic.

Originally posted by carver9
Creshok, I dont know what I can tell you to believe me. I dont even know why Im explaining myself to you. If you own a xbox 360 I can send you a video cam and you can see my crazy roommate.

Originally posted by carver9
If I was socking under his name I guess I was doing that but I didnt know that was socking and honestly I dont know what the hell socking mean.

Originally posted by carver9
So people that sock lose credibility. Well if I did sock I guess I lost it huh, theres no point in me trying to redeem myself since it was a mistake that you wont believe but Im still going to ask the moderator since it wasnt his fault.

I agree, I should have done that but I didnt know that it would get this bad. I didnt know when I woke up this morning that he would lose his acct. I seen the word sock but I didnt know what it was for. He dont even go on the forum to debate. If you pull up his name it will show you that he had this acct for months, he just go to the movie section. That was my stupidity and I shouldnt have been so lazy and signed him out but hey, I cant rewind time.

Originally posted by carver9
Wolverine can move in burst that is faster then the human eye but I have yet to see him create a after image and that is one of my favorite characters.

Spiderman have yet to do a after image. I hope youre not referring to the hulk fight, that wasnt after image that was to be shown as a reflex ability.

Answer this for me, since you are so good at caculations. How fast do you have to be to be at the beginning of an explosing. Im referring to the explosion that have the capacity of an atomic bomb and it is right under your feat and you move the explosion dont even touch you. Now remember, this explosion has the mass of an atomic bomb and it is starting right under your feat but you still escape without even being touched. (I hope you understood that, my typing can be kind of confussing sometime.).

Another question, do you think that naruto characters are faster then dbz characters.

Originally posted by carver9
Wolverine can move in burst that is faster then the human eye but I have yet to see him create a after image and that is one of my favorite characters.

Originally posted by carver9
Spiderman have yet to do a after image.

Originally posted by carver9
I hope youre not referring to the hulk fight, that wasnt after image that was to be shown as a reflex ability.

Originally posted by carver9
Answer this for me, since you are so good at caculations. How fast do you have to be to be at the beginning of an explosing.

Originally posted by carver9
Im referring to the explosion that have the capacity of an atomic bomb and it is right under your feat and you move the explosion dont even touch you.

Originally posted by carver9
Now remember, this explosion has the mass of an atomic bomb and it is starting right under your feat but you still escape without even being touched. (I hope you understood that, my typing can be kind of confussing sometime.).

Of course Flash evacuated an entire city just after a nuke went off, but before it hit the city. Superman can keep up with the Flash... so I'm guessing that what you're trying to prove in a round about way isn't fully informed anyway.

Originally posted by carver9
Another question, do you think that naruto characters are faster then dbz characters.

Originally posted by Creshosk
On panel>fanboy opinions

because Goku doesn't have anything that can really becalculated as higher...

Uh huh... doesn't mean its not theft of services.

That's what this thread is about... that's what's being debated... that's what doesn't have any evidence...

Wishful thinking fallacy, slothful induction, surpressed evidence fallacy..

That's like me saying that I know that buildings are made of cheese and that cars run on blue paint and broken dreams...

Other than the forum rules and the rules of logic?

Okay, now you're just blatently lieing.

Oh I got an idea, how about I post scans of goku as a boy where he first used his kamehameha? Yeah I like that... Superman can take galaxy destroying blasts... Goku can barely wreck a car... You want low showings?

Superman's heat vision is hotter than the sun. Goku is killed by planet destroying blasts... hell with when cell killed him... how about when piccolo killed him? That wasn't planet destroying...

There. THAT is using low showings like you're doing.

Yeah, otherwise what's the point of getting a console? I already got all of the Zelda Virtual console titles- wait... this is still off topic.

Creshok, you are hilarious and you are making this very interesting. I know that you be posting insults but its hilarious. Back on topic.

Theres a lot of goku feats that can be caculated as higher, like him kicking frieza through two mountains and that entire area was shaking, thats not a feat that a 40 tonner can do (well he was much weaker then the time that he was on the ki planet so to you he would have been 5 tons but he knocked someone through mountains). Goku was stronger then captain ginyu but captain ginyu was throwing people out of orbit, again goku was black hair when he fought captain ginyu and he matched his strength. So since captain ginyu is 5 tons I guess spiderman can throw people out of orbit also. Goku kicked vegita through a mountain, can spiderman punch wolverine through a mountain and again this was a much weaker goku.

Goku as a kid>superman as a kid, so whats your point. Are you referring to goku when he 1st learned how to use the wave, not a bad showing. If he destroyed a door that would have still been impressive.

Superman took the shockwave of a solar system blast, still a good feat though.

When have goku been killed by a planet destroying blast. I would love to see this because the cell blast lit up the entire solar system.

You didnt use any low showings, I know that you can do better then that.

I know I have to get more games then one, Im referring to the 1 couple of games Im going to get while buying the system. You all gave me some good advise though. Thanks.