Superman vs Goku (Official Thread) · Superman

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
24 hours, but Goku can just rip a hole in space time if he wants to stay longer.

Prove it.

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
And why do people keep using resting in the sun?

Umm... because its an effective power up strategy that he's used before?

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
Superman can't do it for as long as Goku can train in the time chamber.

Superman sat in the heart of the sun for like 1000 years... He came out of his own accord as Superman Prime.

Originally posted by carver9
It really seems as if anyone goes against superman they get banned.

That's because a large number of people turn out to be trolls. Stacks was banned once for inappropriate sexual content in this thread when he detailed a rape scene involving me after I told him his arguments were illogical and lacked quantifialble evidence. Gplex got banned after he made a thread dedicated to bashing Wrathful Dwarf. Sarutobi went on a spam fest. phenomenol was constantly picking fights with people... I'm surprised you haven't been banned for socking after confessing to it personally.

Originally posted by carver9
Back on topic, again back in the regular dragonball series goku lift picollo who was the size of a building and threw him, a elephant easily weighs 10 tons.

Can't you even get real world data right? An adult African elephant weighs at max 5 tons. An Asian elephant weighs at max 4 tons. they both weigh in at an average of 2 tons. About the same as a car.

Originally posted by carver9
So since we all know that picollo had to be tremendously heavy during that time goku picked up more then 40 tons.

Care to prove that he gained in mass?

Originally posted by carver9
Since we are stuck on the fact that the ki planet do and dont possess extreme gravity, Im going to leave that alone.

But you're going to ignore that onpanel it was stated to be 40 tons?

Oh and are you still being a hypocrite about your evidence? Goku you can guesstimate his strength despite evidence. But Superman has to have it stated on panel, despite the neccesary numbers for the calculation and the mesureable distances of the comics being present?

Originally posted by carver9
Im going to use nappa now. Nappa stopped a bug that was knocking buildings down from punching him by stopping his punch with his strength and then he ripped its finger off. The bug was easily a 80 tonner since it was knocking sky scraper size buildings down with ease.

Things don't always weigh what their strngth is. By that reasoning alone you get a logical paradox of how much can be lifted. Superman pushes a planet, therefore he weighs as much as a planet, therefore when he pushed the planet he had the strength to push himself as well as the planet, meaning he had the strength and thus weight of two planets, which means he had the strength to move three planets, which means he had the strength to move four planets.

Same can be applied to goku. But its really bad reasoning to say that a character weighs as much as their strength is. especially considering how strong bugs are. And the fact it was non-canon. Have you ever read the manga?

Originally posted by carver9
Majority of all sayamans (gohun) appearance had over 100 ton strength feat but I just dont have a scanner to prove other wise. During cell and goku fight the entire planet was shaking, thats a feat that superman would never pull.

Other than the fact he has... Dude. Thank you, thank you for proving you don't read superman comics...

Let me ask you something, why is it the DBZ supporters don't read superman comics, but the superman side reads both the manga AND the comics needed in this debate?

Originally posted by carver9
When superman stops getting owned by tirant who superman said was quick (from the way it looked, it appeared that he was too quick), then maybe he would even stand a chance against krillin.

Nice ABC logic.

"Tirant is obviously slow and weak! therefore Superman is slow and weak! Therefore goku is god"

To bad its an ad hoc red herring fallacy.

Originally posted by carver9
I wish I can put up youtube that is a part of the manga that have strength feats but that is something that you wont use because you want to keep goku down and up your character.

As opposed to you whom doesn't even read Superman and wants to keep him down and your character up. Yeah you wish you could resort to non-canon material. But we've been over this. You use non-canon material, I use non-canon material. You try to prove Goku is strong, I prove he's weak... a Jigglypuff... I mean damn...

Originally posted by carver9
There is nothing that superman can do to goku that goku havent seen before.

You mean like take galaxy destroying blasts, survive the effects of a black hole and move at light speeds?

Goku has never encountered any of that.

Originally posted by carver9
This battle should be nappa vs superman, that would be more interesting.

Yes, lets put Superman, who is stronger and faster than goku. up against someone who's slower and weaker than Goku... Do you also watch snuff films?

Originally posted by carver9
Superman havent fought anyone like goku and goku is basically on another level.

Superman has fought people weaker and slower than him. Goku's never fought anyone as fast or as strong as superman.

40 tons... eesh.

Raoul Hey Yo!

Originally posted by carver9
Its not untruth about, its things that you all fail to accept because its about superman. If it was used against goku then I bet you would have agreed with it. I have yet to see anyone agree with a post that have been put up against goku yet but hey this is a superman site.

its not a superman site, we just know better enough to expect proof.

If the writer say that a character can do such things then it should be true since he is the writer. It could be people on here that is reading scans out of context, have you thought about that. If you say that a character can fight at light speed, shouldnt you post a scan where it SAYS that he is fighting this fast. Yet you all post a fight of superman fighting wonderwoman and say that it is light speed but it took superman seconds to fly from point A to max lords castle, light would have gotten there much faster. Hell before superman even arrived, max lord and wonderwoman had an entire conversation, are you telling me that max lord can speak faster then light also.

comics don't hand-hold us through everything, they expect us to have some ability to comprehend without it being spelled out for us...

Show some evidence of your characters ability and maybe I would stop posting against your character. Creshok having been backing superman every since I joined this site and that have been years. This place is for debating, just because I provide things that you all dont agree with dont mean that I should be banned. Again I posted under my roommates name that had his acct for months and got him banned, I wasnt trying to troll or whatever else you all say that I was trying to do, i was basically trying to debate.

you havent provided a single thing.

people dont have to prove superman can move and fight at lightspeed because its common knowledge.

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by superchron
Imperiex, Superman Prime(most DBZ characters would get one-shotted by either of these)

Superman never fought imperex, when he approached imperex he almost got killed if it wasnt for darksied. You do know that he had to merge in order to take out imperex and it still wasnt him by himself that did that feat, I could have sworn that gl was there along with other heros slash villian. Merged Superman dented imperex armor.

Superman Prime 😆, so superman defeated superman prime, now that is hilarious. So when have superman even became a threat to superman prime. To my knowledge the last time a superman fast superman prime, they got a dose of heat vision through the chest.

Who under supermans own power did he beat.

superchron Senior Member

Originally posted by carver9
Superman never fought imperex, when he approached imperex he almost got killed if it wasnt for darksied. You do know that he had to merge in order to take out imperex and it still wasnt him by himself that did that feat, I could have sworn that gl was there along with other heros slash villian. Merged Superman dented imperex armor.
Superman Prime 😆, so superman defeated superman prime, now that is hilarious. So when have superman even became a threat to superman prime. To my knowledge the last time a superman fast superman prime, they got a dose of heat vision through the chest.
Who under supermans own power did he beat.

The point is Supes took shots from both these characters and wasn't killed instantly. I cant say the same for any DBZ characters

superchron Senior Member

Originally posted by carver9

Who under supermans own power did he beat.

Dominus, The Elite including Manchester Black, Redemption, Zod.

Sorry for the double post btw

Kento The last Hokage

Originally posted by carver9
Doomsday - havent done anything close to impressive in years and would also get blitzed by goku. He was suppose to be this unstoppable engine of destruction but his clones even got owned by batman and he was one shotted by two superman. He havent had any impressive feats for a while.
Darkseid - got bat kicked in the face and actually bleed. Gets owned by superman on a normal basis, so he isnt appearing as being even supermans equal.
Lobo - Lobo would get crushed by goku. This is a none fight and goku would look at him like he is crazy (which he is) and wouldnt waste his time.
Bizarro = Superman and I think that goku would destroy superman so what do you think my answer would be for Bizarro.

Doomsday hasn't really been seen himself either. And his clones were never said to be powerful.

Darkseid....It's Batman...he's the king of PIS. I like Batman and all but he is out of his league with some guys he faces and still wins.

Lobo...not much Gokou could really do to Lobo. The Main Man is a genius, a brawler, and a healing factor along with strength and durabilty to stay up against Superman.

Bizarro - It's been said that Bizarro is stronger than Superman just to dumb to know and use his strength right though I don't know if that's been retconned or not since it was a while ago. It was when they switched bodies.

And yea I'd have more fun on my Wii if I had money to buy games for it. As for Nappa fight. It was only in the anime.

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by superchron
The point is Supes took shots from both these characters and wasn't killed instantly. I cant say the same for any DBZ characters

What shots did goku take that killed him instantly?

Combat_Guru Restricted

Originally posted by Creshosk
Prove it.
Umm... because its an effective power up strategy that he's used before?
Superman sat in the heart of the sun for like 1000 years... He came out of his own accord as Superman Prime.

1: Gotenks SSJ3 ripped a hole in space and time and escaped the room of spirit and time.

2: But he doesn't have as long to rest in it as Goku does to train.

3: I know who Superman Prime is, and you misunderstood what I meant. For every day Superman rests in the sun, Goku spends a year training.

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by carver9
Its not untruth about, its things that you all fail to accept because its about superman. If it was used against goku then I bet you would have agreed with it. I have yet to see anyone agree with a post that have been put up against goku yet but hey this is a superman site.

Gee it looks like we've only got two people that won't accept things against Goku. You and Combat_guru...

You don't even accept on panel evidence about Goku...

Originally posted by carver9
If the writer say that a character can do such things then it should be true since he is the writer.

Uh.. no. Appeal to authority fallacy.

Originally posted by carver9
It could be people on here that is reading scans out of context,

No, you just don't read them. You always say this when you're proven wrong with actual evidence. By this point you're just trolling.

Seriously dude, why do you ignore evidence like you do?

Originally posted by carver9
have you thought about that. If you say that a character can fight at light speed, shouldnt you post a scan where it SAYS that he is fighting this fast.

You haven't.

Originally posted by carver9
Yet you all post a fight of superman fighting wonderwoman and say that it is light speed but it took superman seconds to fly from point A to max lords castle, light would have gotten there much faster.

Uh no. Light takes 8 minutes to get from the sun to EArth. Doing it in seconds proves he's much faster than light in that case. Hell doing it in a minute makes him 8 times faster than light. But seconds?

Originally posted by carver9
Hell before superman even arrived, max lord and wonderwoman had an entire conversation, are you telling me that max lord can speak faster then light also.

Funny how there's alot of conversation going on during the dbz stuff too eh?

Originally posted by carver9
Show some evidence of your characters ability and maybe I would stop posting against your character.

No you won't hypocritical troll.

Originally posted by carver9
Creshok having been backing superman every since I joined this site and that have been years. This place is for debating, just because I provide things that you all dont agree with dont mean that I should be banned.

No, you should be banned for socking, and trolling.

Originally posted by carver9
Again I posted under my roommates name that had his acct for months and got him banned,

That's what alot of socks say. "Oh it was my roommate's account." Oh it was my cousin's account" "Oh it was my brother's account".

BS.

Originally posted by carver9
I wasnt trying to troll

Then quit doing it. Accept the damned evidence, follow the rules and shape the hell up.

Originally posted by carver9
or whatever else you all say that I was trying to do, i was basically trying to debate.

No you weren't. Debate means looking at valid evidence and accepting it. IT also means not being a hypocrite. You demand a scan that says "Superman is light speed" but you try to argue that Goku can do things without it dbeing directly stated. In fact when it IS directly stated you say that we're looking at them out of context. What you're doing is not debating. What you're doing is trolling.

Alucard25 Senior Member

Originally posted by carver9
What shots did goku take that killed him instantly?

I think he means Superman took shots from these characters that would instantly kill DBZ characters.

Kento The last Hokage

@ Combat_Guru So I ask again. Are you willingly admitting without some kind of special circumstance in Gokou's favor like years to train thanks to the Spirit and Time Room Gokou cannot win?

superchron Senior Member

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
1: Gotenks SSJ3 ripped a hole in space and time and escaped the room of spirit and time.
2: But he doesn't have as long to rest in it as Goku does to train.
3: I know who Superman Prime is, and you misunderstood what I meant. For every day Superman rests in the sun, Goku spends a year training.

The sun amp has for 2 min. has been proven to multiply Superman's powers more than a year in the Time Chamber will Goku.

Oh and since the Time Chamber has connection to the real world, escaping is not an incredibly big feat. Supes has sealed holes like that in space with his bear hands quite easily.

Can any DBZ character survive inside of a red sun, because a weakened Supes has flown through one surrounded by a kryptonite asteroid field

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by carver9
Superman never fought imperex, when he approached imperex he almost got killed if it wasnt for darksied. You do know that he had to merge in order to take out imperex and it still wasnt him by himself that did that feat, I could have sworn that gl was there along with other heros slash villian. Merged Superman dented imperex armor.
Superman Prime 😆, so superman defeated superman prime, now that is hilarious. So when have superman even became a threat to superman prime. To my knowledge the last time a superman fast superman prime, they got a dose of heat vision through the chest.
Who under supermans own power did he beat.

It used to be superboy prime before the lawsuit. they had to change superboy prime's name to superman prime to avoid copyright issues.

Dude, go read the sinestro corp invasion... Or you know what, actually go and read some damned comics.

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by Kento
Doomsday hasn't really been seen himself either. And his clones were never said to be powerful.
Darkseid....It's Batman...he's the king of PIS. I like Batman and all but he is out of his league with some guys he faces and still wins.
Lobo...not much Gokou could really do to Lobo. The Main Man is a genius, a brawler, and a healing factor along with strength and durabilty to stay up against Superman.
Bizarro - It's been said that Bizarro is stronger than Superman just to dumb to know and use his strength right though I don't know if that's been retconned or not since it was a while ago. It was when they switched bodies.
And yea I'd have more fun on my Wii if I had money to buy games for it. As for Nappa fight. It was only in the anime.

Who said that the doomsday clones were any weaker, is there proof that they were.

Why use the excuse that its batman, that dont take away from the fact that it happened. Batman literally punched darkseid and made him bleed and almost knocked him off of his feat.

Theres a lot that goku can do to Lobo since lobo have never faced someone like goku. Again he would be another character that would be overwhelmed by goku.

I agree, bizarro is stronger but he isnt that much stronger then superman to make me think that he'll pull a win against goku.

I have a question for you, since things are being brought up out of comics about goku durability, strength, etc... am I able to do the same thing. Like a human in bats stats holding him of and basically punching him in the face making him bleed. Or what about (I forgot the hero name) put 100 time earth gravity on him and he couldnt hardly move and was stuck to the ground and this was kc superman who is > current superman.

I keep hearing good things about the wii, Im going to get me one next week. What game do you think that I should get 1st.

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by Creshosk
It used to be superboy prime before the lawsuit. they had to change superboy prime's name to superman prime to avoid copyright issues.
Dude, go read the sinestro corp invasion... Or you know what, actually go and read some damned comics.

Creshok, I have yet to insult you, can you show me the same respect and just debate. You are a good debator but you seem to have a hot head. Stop taking things so serious and calm down.

I use to work in a comic book store and I go to the same comic book store almost every day and read comics for free. So yes I read some damn comics and enjoy every second of it and when Im reading them I still dont see superman doing no combat speed feats that you all are dreaming of.

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
1: Gotenks SSJ3 ripped a hole in space and time and escaped the room of spirit and time.

Gotenks and buu also both used the kamikaze spirit technique that goku didn't. Buu could also turn people into chocolate. Gotenks is not Goku. Gotenks did several things Goku was never shown to do. Gotenks is not Goku.

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
2: But he doesn't have as long to rest in it as Goku does to train.

You still haven't proven the enterance to the hyperbolic time chamber was restored. But then it doesn't matter. You also haven't proven that Goku will be able to do something he's never been able to do in less time than he's had.

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
3: I know who Superman Prime is, and you misunderstood what I meant. For every day Superman rests in the sun, Goku spends a year training.

Assuming that he even still has access to the chamber. Assuming it would do him any good.

He's old enough to have grandkids, and 40 tons was too much for him. Superman meanwhile has moved the moon, thrown moonsized metal objects, held a black hole in his hands and even survived in a double black hole.

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by carver9
Creshok, I have yet to insult you, can you show me the same respect and just debate. You are a good debator but you seem to have a hot head. Stop taking things so serious and calm down.

You haven't earned it. You keep making these unreasonable onesided demands, you keep saying stupid things, and you keep breaking the rules.

Why am I supposed to respect that sort of behavior?

Originally posted by carver9
I use to work in a comic book store and I go to the same comic book store almost every day and read comics for free.

But appearently this form of theft of services hasn't enlighted you any.

Originally posted by carver9
So yes I read some damn comics and enjoy every second of it and when Im reading them I still dont see superman doing no combat speed feats that you all are dreaming of.

And this is probably a bold faced lie... Doesn't surprise me given your track record of rule breaking and hypocrisy.

Kento The last Hokage

Originally posted by carver9
Who said that the doomsday clones were any weaker, is there proof that they were.
Why use the excuse that its batman, that dont take away from the fact that it happened. Batman literally punched darkseid and made him bleed and almost knocked him off of his feat.
Theres a lot that goku can do to Lobo since lobo have never faced someone like goku. Again he would be another character that would be overwhelmed by goku.
I agree, bizarro is stronger but he isnt that much stronger then superman to make me think that he'll pull a win against goku.
I have a question for you, since things are being brought up out of comics about goku durability, strength, etc... am I able to do the same thing. Like a human in bats stats holding him of and basically punching him in the face making him bleed. Or what about (I forgot the hero name) put 100 time earth gravity on him and he couldnt hardly move and was stuck to the ground and this was kc superman who is > current superman.
I keep hearing good things about the wii, Im going to get me one next week. What game do you think that I should get 1st.

They were beat with exploding Batarangs, and normal Amazon Warriors were able to hold their own. They were much weaker.

Batman kicked him once making him bleed sure. But Batman has also had his butt beat badly in the first few issues of Batman/Superman and barley survived. Darkseid has manhandled Superman easily at times also. Batman has hit Superman, Batman has taken out Grundy, Batman has knocked out Guy Gardner. Batman kicked the Spectre..sure it didn't really hurt him but still you don't mess with Batman he is one of the main PIS characters there is.

Lobo has taken on things that Gokou would never hope. Lobo has went through patheons of DC Gods literally without even trying. He's taken it to Superman. Lobo is beyond anything Gokou has ever faced, smarter, and a lot more crazed, and ruthless. Then there is the whole drop of blood cloning thing which I don't know if he still has or not.

Bizarro would probably be outsmarted by Gokou, and I think Gokou would beat Bizarro because of how stupid he is.

I don't think I follow you on this part at all.

First game for the Wii should be either Smash Bros Brawl or probably Mario Galaxy. I haven't played Galaxy yet but I've only heard good things about it.

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by Creshosk
Gee it looks like we've only got two people that won't accept things against Goku. You and Combat_guru...
You don't even accept on panel evidence about Goku...
Uh.. no. Appeal to authority fallacy.
No, you just don't read them. You always say this when you're proven wrong with actual evidence. By this point you're just trolling.
Seriously dude, why do you ignore evidence like you do?
You haven't.
Uh no. Light takes 8 minutes to get from the sun to EArth. Doing it in seconds proves he's much faster than light in that case. Hell doing it in a minute makes him 8 times faster than light. But seconds?
Funny how there's alot of conversation going on during the dbz stuff too eh?
No you won't hypocritical troll.
No, you should be banned for socking, and trolling.
That's what alot of socks say. "Oh it was my roommate's account." Oh it was my cousin's account" "Oh it was my brother's account".
BS.
Then quit doing it. Accept the damned evidence, follow the rules and shape the hell up.
No you weren't. Debate means looking at valid evidence and accepting it. IT also means not being a hypocrite. You demand a scan that says "Superman is light speed" but you try to argue that Goku can do things without it dbeing directly stated. In fact when it IS directly stated you say that we're looking at them out of context. What you're doing is not debating. What you're doing is trolling.

Creshok, I dont have a reason to lie to you, Im a grown man. I dont believe in all that crap that other people do to try and get attention or whatever you think I was doing. If I was trolling or socking, whatever you call it why would I start my post off saying "Creshok, this is carver 9.". Again it was a mistake, I got my roommates acct banned, found out this morning when he tried to sign on and I woke up and he called me a mf and told me what happened.

Im going to ask one of the moderators if they are able to give him back his acct because he dont come on here to debate, he just go to the movie sections to see whats going on there.

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by carver9
Who said that the doomsday clones were any weaker, is there proof that they were.
Why use the excuse that its batman, that dont take away from the fact that it happened. Batman literally punched darkseid and made him bleed and almost knocked him off of his feat.

Batman has kicked the spectre... you know the wrath of god character in DC? He's batman... he's the king of PIS... Hell spiderman has knocked out firelord... there's a rule against these kind of showings beyond the power that a character actually has... Not too keen on following that rule are you?

Originally posted by carver9
Theres a lot that goku can do to Lobo since lobo have never faced someone like goku.

Begging the question fallacy and circular reasoning fallacy as well as the stolen concept fallacy.

You're using an unproven theory as both evidence and as the theory you're presenting... don't do that.

Originally posted by carver9
Again he would be another character that would be overwhelmed by goku.

Again, circular reasoning, stolen concept and begging the question fallacies were all just commited.

Originally posted by carver9
I agree, bizarro is stronger but he isnt that much stronger then superman to make me think that he'll pull a win against goku.

It's already in question that Goku can beat superman. DOn't use your unproven assumptions to try and prove the unproven assumpition itself.

Originally posted by carver9
I have a question for you, since things are being brought up out of comics about goku durability, strength, etc... am I able to do the same thing. Like a human in bats stats holding him of and basically punching him in the face making him bleed. Or what about (I forgot the hero name) put 100 time earth gravity on him and he couldnt hardly move and was stuck to the ground and this was kc superman who is > current superman.

What you're doing is breaking the rule about SMvsFL and relying on low showings to prove your point. Its not surprising since eventualyl all of the dbz supporters resort to this.

Can't win without breaking the rules eh? Can't win without breaking the rules of logic either...

Originally posted by carver9
I keep hearing good things about the wii, Im going to get me one next week. What game do you think that I should get 1st.

Brawl. its awesome. I also like Twilight princess and uh.. wait isn't this off topic?