Superman vs Goku (Official Thread)

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
Prep is very allowed on KMC Forums.

Only if it's specified in the OP. It's not in this case.

If Goku hadn't fought some one with Cell's powers, than he would be able to beat Superman. Goku dropped hurting bombs for more evasive powers[/quote]

Considering Superman is faster than Cell, and even with that huge muscleman powerup, no DBZ character ever demonstrated physical strength on Superman's level, your argument is not very convincing?

this fight wouldn't be fair with no prep, thats why I used movie Superman in the first place, whom Super Saiyan Goku destroys.

If you want to debate movie Supes, open a separate thread. This one is for comic Supes, (who is the canon version).

BTW, if you want to give Superman prep, he can go sundip, grab a Mother Box, Phantom Zone Projector, GL ring, get martial arts training from Karate Kid, etc.

Originally posted by Kento
Prep wasn't even given as a option in this battle though. And Superman has a lot more options to go with than Gokou does when prep comes in. Even then why would he have a day of prep?

That doesn't even make sense. If Cell hadn't of come he'd be able to beat Superman? Gokou wouldn't even be as strong as he was if Cell had never shown up much less strong enough to beat Superman.

And Movie Superman isn't canon so it doesn't really matter since he isn't being used.

No, if Cell hadn't come and Goku had to fight some one with the powers of Superman Goku would have been strong enough to beat Superman.

Thats what makes the Z Fighters so strong, surviving round one so that they can win round 2.

Superman wouldn't beat Goku though, all I'm saying is that Goku doesn't have enough strength to hurt Superman.

He would if he briefly went USSJ, pounded on Superman, and then went SSJ3 and disoriented him by making him swing and miss, and then wait for the right moment to use a high powered Kamehameha.

Goku never lost the ability to go USSJ.

Yeah I didn't think of that, if Goku wanted to he could use SSJ3 and USSJ to blitz Superman, [proving him a chance to blow Supes into kingdom come.

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
No, if Cell hadn't come and Goku had to fight some one with the powers of Superman Goku would have been strong enough to beat Superman.

Thats what makes the Z Fighters so strong, surviving round one so that they can win round 2.

Superman wouldn't beat Goku though, all I'm saying is that Goku doesn't have enough strength to hurt Superman.

He would if he briefly went USSJ, pounded on Superman, and then went SSJ3 and disoriented him by making him swing and miss, and then wait for the right moment to use a high powered Kamehameha.

Goku never lost the ability to go USSJ.

The Z Fighters aren't strong....Gokou, Vegeta, Gohan that's really the extent of anybody strong. Piccolo doesn't even really look to have gotten that strong, Krillen, and Yamcha don't train, Goten and Trunks slacked off when they grew up, Tien's more or less human and can't ever hope to get strong. Not one of them ever survived a round one anyway to come back for a round two.

USSJ hasn't shown the strength to harm Superman. Not to mention he wouldn't have a hope of hitting Superman if he got even slower.

Originally posted by Kento
USSJ hasn't shown the strength to harm Superman. Not to mention he wouldn't have a hope of hitting Superman if he got even slower.

A USSJ could hit Superman while Superman is punching him, the USSJ is like the Super Saiyan on anabolic steroids, it is like a brick, Perfect Cell was a weakling compared to the USSJ, but his Chi and speed were much greater, if Superman starts going speed blitz Goku can revert to SSJ3.

If this is a ticked off Superman, like the PO says, he's gonna get real irritated and leave himself open to a lot.

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
A USSJ could hit Superman while Superman is punching him, the USSJ is like the Super Saiyan on anabolic steroids, it is like a brick, Perfect Cell was a weakling compared to the USSJ, but his Chi and speed were much greater, if Superman starts going speed blitz Goku can revert to SSJ3.

Originally posted by Kento
USSJ made him stronger....not more durable.

They kinda go hand and hand in DBZ.

Broly was a USSJ, and he was like the most durable charatcer in the DBZ franchise.

I think current Superman would give a USSJ a bloody beating, but so would the USSJ.

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
They kinda go hand and hand in DBZ.

Originally posted by Kento
Not really. Kaioken made Gokou stronger but he was still hurt by Vegeta. Cell was still hurt by Gohan when he went USSJ. Cell still hurt Trunks. Cell beat on Vegeta while he was USSJ. Being physically stronger doesn't equate to being more durable. Being more powerful more than likely does but USSJ doesn't really make the person more durable.

Quit using Cell as an example, he wasn't even at Super Saiyan, and his Saiyan Genes were amalgamated with many other races'.

Broly was super durable, more than anyone else in DBZ. If only he was canon, 🙁

Kaio-ken made Goku more durable, it just put a strain on his body.

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
Quit using Cell as an example, he wasn't even at Super Saiyan, and his Saiyan Genes were amalgamated with many other races'.

Broly was super durable, more than anyone else in DBZ.

Originally posted by Kento
Broli was LSSJ. There is a huge difference between LSSJ and USSJ. Not to mention Broli isn't canon not that I'm disupting Broli is probably the most durable person. And Cell is a perfect example. He has more saiyan in him than anything also. It's why he got so much stronger and got a SSJ2 aura after he came back from nearly killing himself.

Thats called a Zenkai, regular Super Saiyan Vegito had an SSJ2 aura, that doesn't mean anything.

There is no such thing as LSSJ, he was called The Legendary Super Saiyan, because he was the first Super Saiyan, but he was a USSJ, and his hair was green because he was mind controlled all of his life, it manifested in green hair.

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
Thats called a Zenkai, regular Super Saiyan Vegito had an SSJ2 aura, that doesn't mean anything.

There is no such thing as LSSJ, he was called The Legendary Super Saiyan, because he was the first Super Saiyan, but he was a USSJ, and his hair was green because he was mind controlled all of his life, it manifest in green hair.

Where are you getting any of this from about Broli?

Originally posted by Kento
Where are you getting any of this from about Broli?

It's been proven on many boards.

Cell might have had Saiyan in him, but he wasn't a Saiyan.

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Originally posted by Combat_Guru
It's been proven on many boards.

Cell might have had Saiyan in him, but he wasn't a Saiyan.

And Cell was a lot closer to being a saiyan than anything else.

Broli being THE legendary super saiyan sorta and not having any weakness from his transformation keeps that from being true. Not to mention movies don't follow canon or make sense half the time.

Originally posted by Kento
I'd like to know what proves any of that right. Besides the fact it's never said, Broli gets yellow hair in the second movie, and gets faster instead of slower. There is nothing proving any of that whatsoever. Not to mention Broli was much weaker than Gokou at base so just going ssj wouldn't make him so much stronger and USSJ doesn't make one so much more powerful just stronger.

And Cell was a lot closer to being a saiyan than anything else.

Broli being THE legendary super saiyan sorta keeps that from being true. Not to mention movies don't follow canon or make sense half the time.

Every Saiyan has the same potential, and according to that, Broly can't have a transformation that Goku doesn't. And Broly having yellow hair in the second movie proves that the green was just mind control.

Cell can, he's not just a Saiyan, he's mostly android.

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
Every Saiyan has the same potential, and according to that, Broly can't have a transformation that Goku doesn't. And Broly having yellow hair in the second movie proves that the green was just mind control.

Cell can, he's not just a Saiyan, he's mostly android.

Originally posted by Kento
Cell isn't really an android. Course neither is 18 or 17 but that's another topic. Cell was created by Gokou, Vegeta, Freeza, and Piccolo, probably others I forget but still he is organic. He also has ki that can be sensed unlike the other androids. He's farther from like the androids than he is saiyan. But this is really getting off topic. It probably be smarter to continue this in the DBZ thread in the Anime/Manga section.

This has to do with the result of who wins doesn't it?

If Cell is just organic, (I'm not saying Cell isn't organic) then how come he could do self destruct, absorption and absorption of life energy like #19 and #20???

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
This has to do with the result of who wins doesn't it?

If Cell is just organic, (I'm not saying Cell isn't organic) then how come he could do self destruct, absorption and absorption of life energy like #19 and #20???

Originally posted by Kento
No it doesn't. And I'll answer the question when I bump the DBZ thread.

You don't have to do that....Because it does help decide who wins, Superman isn't that high out of the Z Fighter's league because he can hold the smallest black hole imaginable by straining.

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
You don't have to do that....Because it does help decide who wins, Superman isn't that high out of the Z Fighter's league because he can hold the smallest black hole imaginable by straining.

And I already did lol.